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Spartacus
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wright is a raving bigot
Powerbuilder333
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Obama has denouced him today. http://apnews.myway.com//article/20080314/D8VDF8FG0.html
For some reason I suspect a lack of sincerity on Obama's part. Only took him 7 years to denouce comments made the Sunday after 9/11.
For some reason I suspect a lack of sincerity on Obama's part. Only took him 7 years to denouce comments made the Sunday after 9/11.
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Spartacus
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he's been going to that church for 20 years
he's done
he's done
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
wright said: "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."
Sorry but that is all 100% true. you reap what you sow. Don't want your nose covered in shit, don't stick it in. It's the whole blowback thing that Ron paul was trying to drive home to the blind patriots that think U.S are the World fucking police and should eb able to do whatever the fuck it wants to whomever and they should like it cause we are fucking awesome and so on and so forth.
Sorry but that is all 100% true. you reap what you sow. Don't want your nose covered in shit, don't stick it in. It's the whole blowback thing that Ron paul was trying to drive home to the blind patriots that think U.S are the World fucking police and should eb able to do whatever the fuck it wants to whomever and they should like it cause we are fucking awesome and so on and so forth.
Powerbuilder333
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^^^ So saving millions of lives by killing 150,000 Japaneses with 2 A bombs is why we were attacked on 9/11?
Now I'm informed.
Now I'm informed.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
way to be lame and pick one tiny portion of the notion he's trying to get across and spinning it.Powerbuilder333 said:
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Powerbuilder333 said:
He "denounced" him but WHY was Wright still on his official campaign staff until today!
Obama has no morals - he didn't kick Wright off until the media started focusing in on this.
Wright was OFFICIALLY on Obama's "African American Religious Leadership Committee." Obviously Obama wanted this man on his team and believed he was a good African-American leader.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wright_leaves_Obama_campaign.html
I've been posting this stuff for months - it is about time the press opened this door.
Wait until the press focuses on the Nation of Islam members that were on his official Congressional staff. People think I am a h8ter for posting this stuff - this shit is for real.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
this issue is dividing our country big time
if you think wright is a bigot=racist devil that don't understand, your about to get yours!!!
that's the sentiment i'm getting over this matter
and BI when did you turn into such a pussy? can't bench 225, crying about meany america...i thought you were a good bor when did you get so bitchlike?
if you think wright is a bigot=racist devil that don't understand, your about to get yours!!!
that's the sentiment i'm getting over this matter
and BI when did you turn into such a pussy? can't bench 225, crying about meany america...i thought you were a good bor when did you get so bitchlike?
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
billfred said:
He says in the quoted text that "we never batted an eye" when talking about us bombing Japan, and he's right we didnt. He's speaking in context of how the U.S has a load of double standards when it comes to the value of life. You're only worth something if you're white and speak English. No one gives a shit about all the little kids over there being mutililated by bombings or soldiers ont heir tours raping kids and burning villiages that is fine and dandy cause they wear towels ont heir heads, they're subhuman, they're not American and totally awesome. Yet a soldier tosses a dog off a cliff and the fucking internet erupts. That is the point he is trying to make when he mentions that certain dialogue. We're a nation of double standard bigots. I wholeheartedly agree.
All in all he is stating the obvious, you cannot keep dicking around in other culture's business and thinking they're going to be happy about it. Would you like it if China invaded and tried to make us more Chnese because they think their culture and form of leadership is better than ours? No? Well OK then.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
Ahhh, case in point.Bino said:
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
Bino said:
explain why you think I'm a tool. I'd love to see these reasons.
Powerbuilder333
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^^^ Post #12 for starters.
Great post Java. Your historical resources are impressive.
Great post Java. Your historical resources are impressive.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
Powerbuilder333 said:
lol ok so you think I'm a tool for what I stated in post 12 which is, well, the obvious truth.
i dare you to pick apart my tool-like post #12 and find anything false about it and substitute the truth in your eyes. I guarantee everything you you could try to fill it with will be some redneck yeehaw rock on America hogwash, but humor me anyways.
Powerbuilder333
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^^^ 50 years later we (the US) are still questioning our own use of the A bomb - I'd say we've been batting an eye for 50 years. No other sociey is as introspective as America.
Don't you have arm blades to play with in your trailer park?
Don't you have arm blades to play with in your trailer park?
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Spartacus
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doesn't seem too religious
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Spartacus
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what are arm blades?
I'm a veteran, and extremely patriotic. However I do feel we police the world and put our noses where they don't belong. I raised my right hand and swore to protect the constituition, not police the world. The government lied to us about weapons of mass destruction in order to start a war. They went into a war with out the support of the UN. Now we are doing what the UN does, policing Iraq. The middle east was unstable before, now it is chaotic. If you poll the rest of the world, our President would get more votes as the biggest terrorist in the world than Osama Bin Laden.
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the UN is ineffective
Powerbuilder333
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You asked for it - lol.Spartacus said:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/chat-conversation/pic-me-my-new-badass-armblades-587507.html
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Burning_Inside said:
That's bullshit. We did "bat an eye" when considering whether bombing Japan. The bottom line was that if we didn't millions of Americans would have died trying to take the mainland. In the end, those are the types of decisions made in war. The Japanese would have done the same to us if they had the bomb. The Japanese massacred millions of Chinese. I suppose that fact is easy to ignore. (I can't believe I even have to debate this issue.)
Burning_Inside said:
I don't know one American who doesn't care about the war. I've been there. I've been to more funerals over the past year than Wright has been to in his entire lifetime. If you think Americans, and Americans soldiers, do not give a damn about the indigenous Iraqi people then you have no idea what is really going on over there.
SOME Americans are bigots. Most are not. Wright IS a bigot. His comments about Jews, Whites and Latinos is pure hate. If you support the genocide of Whites and you believe Jews are the scum of the earth then I'll just quit typing because there is no way to argue against such hatred.
Burning_Inside said:
I suppose we should not have "dicked around" in Europe or Japan in WWII. Same deal with Saddam? America is wrong and evil. Hitler, Stalin, and Saddam are saints. I don't even know where to begin replying to this. You believe we went into Iraq just to make them "more American?" Where do you come up with this type of thinking? We went in because there was a United Nations resolution authorizing force. Additionally, the US was just one of many countries that went to war. Are the Aussies also trying to force their culture on the Iraqi people? What about Poland? The UK? Finally, comparing China invading the US to the US invading Iraq is totally misplaced. The war has absolutely nothing to do with culture or leadership.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
IMO we should pull out of the UN and let it all rot to hell. Let the arrogant Europeans try to fix things. Hell, the French can't control a bunch of Arab teenagers in Paris from killing cops - I'd love to see what they would do in a real war.
Powerbuilder333
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Our troops are doing fine.cboogsrun said:
If Rumsfield had listened to our Generals (overwhelming ground forces to control the population), an insurgency would have never gotten started, and it would have been over in a few months.
Now that we have a Secretary Of Defense that's letting the Generals do what they do best, things are turning around.
At no time were our troops to blame for this quagmire.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Powerbuilder333 said:
I still have friends over there and I keep in close contact with them. From what they tell me morale is high, things are getting better, and they are proud of what they have done.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
Powerbuilder333 said:
America * at the time * thought dropping the bomb on the Japanese was as glorious and justified as we though going into Iraq was over 9-11 just a couple years ago. No shit as time goes by, people smack their heads and think duh, we were probably asshole, gee whizz. It's the same thing now with more and more people waking up to smell the coffee that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and the citizens America at the time were just acting like a flock of blindly patriotic media hyped sheep with their rallying behind the whole mess. People as a whole never ever learn from the past.
But there's more topics in post 12 you can try and argue also.
Also, did you honestly think that pic of the kid with the blades was me? I mean the way you go about adding it into your posts all condescendingly directed towards me, like you're one upping me or something with it.
all the whey
New member
Burning_Inside said:
(squints eyes, and rubs chin)
javaguru
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Any critical analysis of the situation presented to President Truman clearly shows that dropping those two bombs was the more humane decision and that is only considering Japanese casualties. Here is the Cliff Notes...Burning_Inside said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall
Operation Downfall...the invasion of Japan...
"Casualty predictions varied widely but were extremely high for both sides: depending on the degree to which Japanese civilians resisted the invasion, estimates ran into the millions for Allied casualties,[1] and tens of millions for Japanese casualties."
The Japanese lost 66,000 dead and missing as military casualties on Okinawa as well as between 75,000-140,000 civilian casualties.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
No you don;t have to debate it, you're the one bringing it up for debate. All i wrote that you read was me mentioning about how there's no huge public uproar over how many kids and innocents are dying in Iraq but they bitch about a puppy (which I thought was disgusting and the guy should be stoned to death), one single puppy, getting tossed over a cliff on video by a soldier. You're the one pulling this shit about China in ww2 out of your ass to debate, I guess debate with yourself since I mentioned nothing regarding that.Army Vet said:
tomato tomahto, for every one person that thinks the war is wrong and what we're doing over there alltogether in all aspects is wrong, there's one redneck that is rooting for it after he just came home from a long night of drinkin and gay bashin and draggin blacks down a country road tied to his truck.
lol dude I didn't even SEE or BRING UP what he said about anything other than what i quoted in my first post in this thread.
lol you need some drugs. You are just tossing shit out there making up what yuo want about what I supposedly believe when i gave you absolutely nothing to go on in anything I wrote for you to take it to the levels of stupidity you're taking this to. For the record, what we did in ww2 was probably necessary for the greater good as that was a completely different scenario than today. And the Iraq thing? Shit buddy, how many fucking more reports are they going to have to release saying that Iraq had no fucking connection with Al -cock-ass-fucking-Qaeda before you take Warren Buffet's words of wisdom to heart and just agree it's about oil, not about finding Bin Laden in AFGHANISTAN.
javaguru
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The Pastor has a fundamental misunderstanding of WWII. This is a repost but it gives the perspective of the era. My father was a corpsman that went in with the marines at Tarawa and Iwo Jima. I'm not sure he would have survived an invasion of Japan so I don't look unfavorably on dropping the bomb....just sayin'.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
javaguru said:
See the thing is though, we didn't HAVE to drop that bomb directly on Japan. I really think that if we just dropped it somewhere "else" and let them see what it could do and we mean business they'd have signed the papers and surrendered. They just called our bluff, we took it personally and went overboard IMO.
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Spartacus
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I think they're doing a fine job. This endeavor will likely take a decade but I think it's a decent roll of the dice. It's hard to measure success when you can't tally up the bad events that have been prevented and didn't occur.cboogsrun said:
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Burning_Inside said:
We went overboard? Go up a few threads and read where millions would have died. The Japanese would have never have given up with conventional tactics. Their generals admitted that. Like bombing something else, (which would have given them more time to prepare) would have made them surrender.
I hope you are never in a life or death situation. If so you will recognize that decisions needs to be made quickly. Mistakes are sometimes made but you need to roll with the punches. Otherwise you can end up dead.
Taking WWII in perspective, would I risk losing a war or drop an atom bomb? I would drop an atom bomb any day.
The same deal with Iraq. If current US and foreign intelligence shows there are WMD's, and Saddam himself claims to have WMD, I am going to believe there are WMD's, and I am going to war. Period. BTW the alleged link of Al Qaeda to Saddam was only one of many issues that led to war. Hinging the war on that one fact is spurious reasoning.
It is very easy to look back in hindsight and poke holes through things. In fact, one can do it with any subject. Making decisions in real time, when innocent lives are at stake, is a different matter. I would rather defeat my enemy and protect the innocent than to err and allow innocents to die.
javaguru
Banned
This is my repost....Army Vet said:
"The Pastor has a fundamental misunderstanding of WWII. This is a repost but it gives the perspective of the era. My father was a corpsman that went in with the marines at Tarawa and Iwo Jima. I'm not sure he would have survived an invasion of Japan so I don't look unfavorably on dropping the bomb....just sayin'."
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Spartacus
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interesting idea
and it would have shown the soviets as well which was one goal satisfied by bombing hiroshima
curtis lemay was a sadistic fuck
and it would have shown the soviets as well which was one goal satisfied by bombing hiroshima
curtis lemay was a sadistic fuck
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Spartacus
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yeah but I think it was still necessary to actually detonate onejavaguru said:
javaguru
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The point is we had to detonate two and still some of the inner circle of the Japanese staff were willing to depose their God/Emperor to continue the war.Spartacus said:
Blowing up some isolated island would have had little impact and we only had two bombs; That's why we chose cities that were untouched by conventional bombing, to make the most impact.
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Spartacus
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garbage inSpartacus said:
garbage out
Army Vet said:
My friends that are over there tell me its worthless to be over there. 2 of them are officers. One is a company commander and has been over there 3 times. He said the first time he was there, the people were greatfull and each time he goes back the people are more and more ungreatfull.
jestro
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Hey powerbuilder, have you read anything about William Fallon?
Things arent all good if your top comanders resign from differences of opinion. It's the sign of a fucked up system when you get rid of everyone with differing opinions.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88116189
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336849,00.html
Things arent all good if your top comanders resign from differences of opinion. It's the sign of a fucked up system when you get rid of everyone with differing opinions.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88116189
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336849,00.html
Powerbuilder333
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LOL @ a NAVY Admirals opinion of a ground war. He just feels left out. Jealous prick. Nimitz was the same way towards McArthur.jestro said:
Powerbuilder333
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Note: General Powell retired from the Army, because of differences of opinion with Clinton. He possibly resigned as SOS because of differences with Bush/Rumsfeld. They should have listened to Powell before the invasion. They didn't, and now it is what it is. It's not like we can quit!
Powell >>> Fallon.
Powell >>> Fallon.
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Spartacus
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barack's going live on foxnews in minutes
javaguru
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Google "Rape of Nanking." The US didn't drop the bombs as an eye for an eye. Google the the battle of okinawa and look at the casualties. It was the most likely way to force a surrender without inflicting massive casualties on US servicemen as well as Japanese civilians. Finally, if it saved my father's life and therefore allowed me to exist, I'm all for it.jestro said:
The Japanese were the first mass suicide bombers of the 20th Century.
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Spartacus
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"I Hope That He Finds A Better Road To Walk"
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Spartacus
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I just finished watching "Steel Toes"
haven't heard of it have you?
haven't heard of it have you?
gotmilk
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jestro said:
We have strategically bombed areas for decades. We fucked up the Republican Guard in Basra during Gulf 1 by carpetbombing parts of the City. We tagged entire blocks in Panama. We hit entire encampments in the Balkans and parts of Afghanistan.
Everyone of those bombings was a violation of Article 51 of Geneva Protocol I, but shit happens. The population of Basra dropped by almost 300,000 after we bombed the "Republican Guard" in their area.
Sometimes you just have to kill everything in site to send a message.
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Spartacus
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the young (~60%) Iranian population is very pro-western. I think the extreme religious elements in the mid-east are in the minority. In time,and you can quibble about the length of that time, I believe the mid-east will become more democratic and "western-like".cboogsrun said:
Like Dubai
would you rather lose 3000 soldiers?
or another 3000 civilians?
soldiers are soldiers
blackhawk60
New member
Burning_Inside said:
Even after the bombs were dropped, there were a group of Japanese military personell who were planning on kidnapping the emperor to prevent him from telling the Japanese people to surrender. A wave of incoming bombers forced the emperor to a shelter, and prevented his capture.
redsamurai
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yep
Burning_Inside said:
redsamurai
Banned
Powerbuilder333 said:
"no society is as introspective as america".......??? With that statement I sincerely hope you're referring to the very people you deride as the "liberal elite"...........cause they're the only ones doing any kind of "introspecting".
The use of the bomb against japan was just.........and I have big time admiration of Japanese society. Well, at least Japanese society "before" the west basically forced them out of isolation. I do think that Japanese imperialism was born out of the old bitterness towards the west, and primarily the U.S........for destroying their old ways.
redsamurai
Banned
ww 1&2 were the only just wars we ever got into in the 20th century. Korean war, Vietnam etc, etc. All the rest was self serving bullshit. The market here would have taken care of our energy policies years ago if it hadn't been shackled by our govt. So therefor even the Gulf war would have been meaningless. I'm sorry........bombing a country because they want to be socialist or because they have oil is not something I agree with. During the revolutionary war we didn't want to be limey's anymore........so we fought and won. Why can't we let other society's go through those same growing pains?
blackhawk60
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Burning_Inside said:
I don't know anybody that thought we were going to war with Iraq because they were involved with 9/11. Not one single person. I've heard this mentioned a lot, how people were snookered, but i've never actually met anyone who thought they were involved with 9/11.
I personally thought we should go because Saddam is nuts, has used WMD's on his own people, was supposed to show they were destroyed, but never did. I guess we were just supposed to take this trustworthy guy at his word. And, his bat shit crazy sons were going to take over the family business. I thought we should go ahead and get it over with, because I figured we would be headed back to that area sooner or later. I don't think it was handled right from the outset, but it seems to be now.
You say you didn't see or bring up anything else the guy said other than what you quoted. Perhaps you should research it a bit.
Now, I gotta go make sure my ropes are all set for my night of drinkin and gay bashin and draggin blacks down country roads...or as I like to refer to it, Saturday night. Do you even see the irony in that statement...how prejudiced the statement is...about a group of people who obviously, by your estimation, must be gay bashin racist country fucks?
Spartacus, lt me know if that was improper usage of the word "irony".
redsamurai
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gotmilk said:
And you breed another generation of "terrorists". Why again do you come across dumbfounded that there are people that hate the U.S?? If your family had been carpetbombed, you'd strap on a c4 vest too.
redsamurai
Banned
Please explain to me why it is we should have cared whether he's nuts or not? And wasn't he our buddy in the 80's when we were trying to fuck over Iran? Yeah, we pretty much built him up in the hopes of creating a counter to Iran. How'd that work? Who is it that has the nuke capability now? If Sadaam was nuts, than the syrians or Iranians would have eventually had to deal with him. Or, better yet.........the 70-80% of Iraqi people who were Shia, would eventually have overthrown his sunni ass. Again, we meddled in a situation that we needn't have. Instead of invading Iraq, we could have started making serious "Non physical/violent" overtures to Venezuela so that someone like Chavez doesn't come to power and we have a source of oil independant from the middle east. How fantastic does that sound? It rubs my balls right.
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it isn't breeding terrorists in Iran. the young Iranian population is pro-west. even more so since '03. I think they're being shown the possibilities and they like it.redsamurai said:
democracy,whiskey,sexy
sex sells
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Spartacus said:
I agree 100% with this. The majority of Iranians are under 30, want MTV, group sex and probably some cocaine (well...maybe not group sex and cocaine) but they are are pro-West and tired of living under tyranny.
IMO the best thing for the US is to be patient, use the CIA to fight Iran from the inside and let freedom take hold. Liberty and western ideals are working in Turkey and Pakistan (to an extent)
Powerbuilder333
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Strike me dead if I've ever used the expression "liberal elite" before now. Talk about your oxymoronic terminology - lol.redsamurai said:
Every single year on August 6th and 9th for the past 52 years we as a society commerate the atomic holocost Truman unleased. There are no parades, just a somber remberance.
When has the America government ever supported the Africaneer? We should have, that country was way better off before Mandela took over. The ANC wanted majority rule, and we (as a society) helped them obtain it, so now they're on their happy way to becoming another AIDS infested impoverished African society.
I guess if you're a anti semitic bigot you could argue that by helping Isreal, we've supported terrorism against the Philistines. Fuck 'em. The had their chance to peacefully co-exist.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Powerbuilder333 said:
Good point
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There is a slow genocide going on in South Africa right now. Just like in Zimbabwe in the 1980's.
http://www.africancrisis.org
How Nelson Mandela brought Crime & Murder to South Africa
http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=11191& (not sure if this link will work)
redsamurai
Banned
Powerbuilder333 said:
I was born in 77.........but the only time in my life that I ever saw anyone in the states commemorate hiro and naga was on the fiftieth anniversary. Maybe I missed something, but but aug. 6th and 9th come and go every year with nary a whisper. It's better left forgotten anyway.........not one of humanity's finer moments......regardless if it was a good thing or not.
I don't know much about Africa........so admittedly I'm lost. I know who Mandela is, but I'm not aware of too much of what's going on there. But you come across sad that we didn't bomb someone.........as if we somehow missed a great opportunity...???
No, what Israel is doing isn't terrorism........it's simply opression. And you don't have to be anti semitic to acknowledge that.
Well, I guess Burning Inside and redsamurai could convert to Islam and move to Iraq or Syria or some nice Islamic law governed country like those.
Nobody will ever agree with everything the gov't does. Hell there's plenty of shit I don't like that is going on. It's still the best place to live I know of. People don't die every day trying to get into China or even the UK. But people from probably almost every country in the world have died trying to come to America.
What the fuck do they know though? I mean they get here and work their asses off and save their money and either get rich or at least provide a better life for their kids so they can achieve more and live free. What do the majority of Americans do? They complain and bitch about shit like you guys are doing here.
Nobody will ever agree with everything the gov't does. Hell there's plenty of shit I don't like that is going on. It's still the best place to live I know of. People don't die every day trying to get into China or even the UK. But people from probably almost every country in the world have died trying to come to America.
What the fuck do they know though? I mean they get here and work their asses off and save their money and either get rich or at least provide a better life for their kids so they can achieve more and live free. What do the majority of Americans do? They complain and bitch about shit like you guys are doing here.
mrplunkey
New member
ceo said:
I was thinking the same thing about Burning...
Its obvious that people like him (and Wright) have and incredibly broad range of problems with America. We're not talking a drive to change one aspect of society and make things better -- we're talking "chickens coming to roost" hate.
So burning... why stay here? Why pay taxes and contribute to this globally genocidal system? You realize every income tax dime you pay... every sales tax... every property or payrolltax -- is perpetuating this ruthless, genocidal, global psycho-cop that you so hate.
Wouldn't it be easier to find a country with a system more to your liking and work for change from within it? Why stay here and be such a willing accomplice to this crime?
Powerbuilder333 said:
Just looked at arm blade pic -
Damn... how can anyone take someone who looks like this be taken seriously?!? Even more funny is that he thinks he's cool in the pic at the top of the thread! I'll make sure my kids never grow up and act like that.
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redsamurai said:
this should explain why we supported the Afrikanners...true, apartheid was ugly, but look at the alternative. Aren't you happy now that the evil whites have been punished??
And my opinion on Zionism is this...the Arabs own the whole region and look how oppressed and fucked up it is...they don't deserve israel; why allow them to run the only democracy in the region into the ground with arachaic laws and shitty economics??? I say don't let them spread their bullshit any farther than it already has spread, christ
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
I think after reading some new comments posted in this thread I'm done attempting to bring anything more to the table in C&C other than maybe some funny ha ha links. Seems the more vocal peeps on here nowadays are sadly also people that take everything someone writes for complete face value, can't decipher written cynicysm, and read so far between the lines they start seeing into another dimension. Definately not like the majority of C&C versions of the past.
Kinda hard to really have any decent discourse when you have to keep wasting time to babysit a thread to defend yourself repeatedly from people that like to twist your words -- or just completely uncomprehend what you were talking about to begin with -- and then write junk about you thereafter insinuating you're a type of person so completely away from what is real.
It's entertaining to see people be so dumb and formulate false models of what they decided you must surely be like and what ideals you must hold to be true based on bad comprehension of a few posts, but it's also a bunch of bullshit too.
Kinda hard to really have any decent discourse when you have to keep wasting time to babysit a thread to defend yourself repeatedly from people that like to twist your words -- or just completely uncomprehend what you were talking about to begin with -- and then write junk about you thereafter insinuating you're a type of person so completely away from what is real.
It's entertaining to see people be so dumb and formulate false models of what they decided you must surely be like and what ideals you must hold to be true based on bad comprehension of a few posts, but it's also a bunch of bullshit too.
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point to a post in this thread in which I labeled anyone as dumb
as you just did
as you just did
in redsam's defense, at least dude has the balls to make a move...he relocated to Toronto.mrplunkey said:
now people like BI, in my opinion, are the reason why america is rotting from the core...it's like they look forward to us failing.
if pearl harbor happened now, do you think the current lot of americans would be up in arms? i don't, i think the BI'esque majority would blame america and side with the enemy.
javaguru
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March 1939 - " In case such a war [ German and Italy versus England and France] breaks out, how far should we go in helping England and France - should we send our army and navy abroad to fight the enemies of England and France? " 17% responded 'yes'; 83%'no'.
May 1939 - " In case Germany and Italy go to war against England and France, how far should we go in helping England and France? Should we send our army and navy abroad to fight Germany and France?" 16% responded 'yes' ; 84%'no'.
August 1939 - " Do you think the United States should declare war on Germany at once and send our army and navy abroad to help England, France, and Poland?" 8% said 'yes' ; 90% ' no' and 2%'don't know'.
September 1939 - " What should be the policy of the United States in the present European war - should we declare war and send our army and navy abroad to fight Germany? " 6% said 'yes' ; 94% 'no'.
A nationwide Gallop Poll conducted during the first week of December of 1940 asked Americans :
"If you were asked to vote on the question of the United States entering the war against Germany and Italy, how would you vote - to go into the war ot to stay out of the war?"12% said 'go in' ; 88%'stay out' while 3% expressed no opinion.
1. Michael Leigh, Mobilizing Consent : Public Opinion and American Foreign Policy, Greenwood Press, Westport, 1976, 32 - 33
May 1939 - " In case Germany and Italy go to war against England and France, how far should we go in helping England and France? Should we send our army and navy abroad to fight Germany and France?" 16% responded 'yes' ; 84%'no'.
August 1939 - " Do you think the United States should declare war on Germany at once and send our army and navy abroad to help England, France, and Poland?" 8% said 'yes' ; 90% ' no' and 2%'don't know'.
September 1939 - " What should be the policy of the United States in the present European war - should we declare war and send our army and navy abroad to fight Germany? " 6% said 'yes' ; 94% 'no'.
A nationwide Gallop Poll conducted during the first week of December of 1940 asked Americans :
"If you were asked to vote on the question of the United States entering the war against Germany and Italy, how would you vote - to go into the war ot to stay out of the war?"12% said 'go in' ; 88%'stay out' while 3% expressed no opinion.
1. Michael Leigh, Mobilizing Consent : Public Opinion and American Foreign Policy, Greenwood Press, Westport, 1976, 32 - 33
javaguru
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Spartacus
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Hitler's war didn't involve America
when the japanese attacked pearl harbor the germans were at the gates of moscow
Hitler's hubris had him declare war on america
bad move
when the japanese attacked pearl harbor the germans were at the gates of moscow
Hitler's hubris had him declare war on america
bad move
blackhawk60
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redsamurai said:
Yeah, Saddam was our buddy in the 80's. So was Osama. Roosevelt sat down with Stalin too, before the Cold War. Grant and Lee were in the same boat and on the same battlefields in the war with Mexico. Things change. The Iranians tried to deal with him. They were unable to...even with the large Shiite population in Iraq.
Why did we go in the first time to save Kuwait? Why did we go to Bosnia? Why did we go to Somalia? Kosovo? Haiti..etc. It's politics. National interests. World relations. Why do people want us to go to Darfur? Why do a lot of the same people that want us to go to Darfur think we should've never went to Iraq?
Saddam ruled for decades, he had the Shiites on lockdown. All of the sudden they are going to overthrow out of nowhere?
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excellent pointsblackhawk60 said:
I just wanted to add that Iraq and Iran fought a vicious world war one style war for 8 years
1980-1988
and then saddam muscled into kuwait
he was going to 'muscle' again
he had to go
redsamurai
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ceo said:
You're not understanding the words that are coming out of my mouth..........I hate Islam and wish that we had nothing to do with the middle east PERIOD!! Fuck the jews, fuck the muslims...........fuck all radical extremist people and the gods they profess are on their side. All I'm saying is that "I understand"........not condone.
Stop comparing the U.S to major shitholes of the world. In case you hadn't noticed........immigrants have been pouring into the EU and are quite happy to leech of that system. So there are other parts of the world that people are desperately trying to get into.
What the fuck do they know though? I mean they get here and work their asses off and save their money and either get rich or at least provide a better life for their kids so they can achieve more and live free. What do the majority of Americans do? They complain and bitch about shit like you guys are doing here.[/QUOTE]
redsamurai
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Bino said:
I don't agree with you.........all of us were behind going into afghanistan and regulating the taliban. What I had a problem with was spinning the great wheel of karma WAY WAY WAY too far and deciding that we had enough political capital to go do some shit that in actuality, has no effect on the average american. What we did in Afghanistan was a direct result of 9/11.........and I agreed with that war, in fact I wish we would still be there and spend the 12 billion a month there instead of Iraq. We fucked up......and we are going to pay for it in some form.
redsamurai
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blackhawk60 said:
That's how things work......corrupt regimes eventually fail from within. Apparently not a whole lot of people "were all that upset" with Sadaam.........same goes with cubans and castro. Maybe when we hear in the media how bad things are for people with these supposedly "brutal dictators"......it's all bullshit......propaganda so that americans won't question the actions of our govt. I dunno.
Burning_Inside
Elite Mentor
Bino said:
See it's stupidity like this that just makes me not even want to bother with this place anymore. Despite what you and whomever else want it to "sound" like, I'm telling you what it IS. Too many morons twisting people's shit around and taking shit too far out of context.
See I dunno if you guys ever analyzed it, but here's what happens. Person A types something. Person B reads it and didn't get the gist, misinterprets, jumps the gun, and bashes them. Person A defends themselves and tries clearing up misinterpretations. Person B, refusing to look like an ass ont he forum for jumping the gun with rampant assumptions, then tries saving face and does everything in his power to make it seem like they did not at all misread person A, then in this case say that Person A is just backtracking. It's so funny, but like I said it's also bullshit that I don't want to get involved with anymore. I have better shit to do than constantly have to correct people's interpretations of what they read and put up with sensational labeling.
So far in this thread I have this Blackhawk60 guy thinking I'm calling everyone redneck gay bashing racists because he misread to whom and why i was using the phrase, then i have CEO saying me and Redsamurai should move to the middle east and convert to Islam (WTF? Seriously where do people find even a hint of validity to comment on shit like that?), Mr Plunkey telling me i should move out of the country(Oh haha funny how every time someone has an issue with someone else having an issue with anything going on in the country, they pull the "well move then if you don't like it" card, because of course it's un patriotic and wrong to disagree with anything the USA does, and try to maybe promote some change from within, fucking moron, when something gets messed up in your house to you move or try and fix it? Seriously the mentality of some people), then i have roadwarrior seriously thinking the picture I posted of the kid with armblades is me, then even though it's not me he's an ignorant fuck that would actually claim that the dude in the pic doesn't deserve to have his opinion taken seriously on anything ever in life apparently because of his looks. Nice logic buddy!
I mean the ignorance and stupidity of some of the people here any more simply astounds me.
And to top it off, all of these attacks against me ALLLLL because.....Ready...
Blowback. Remember that little post I made in the beginning of the thread? You're an idiot if you cant grasp the concept. In fact let me help some of ya's out, I got some youtube vids explaining the whole blowback thing. It's sad that something so common sense that I also happen to believe in gets me such negative feedback from such knowitalls.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ldgbOxDX6DE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rF3NtEWj6ws
There's 2 freeebies, do yourself a favor and brush up on reaity and search for more on your own.
Burning_Inside said:
OK...stop being such a whiney little fag. "Oh poor me, why are people lashing out at me, I'm right, you're wrong, poor me."
Give me a break dude. You say you like debate, yet the instant someone challenges you you get all upset and throw a hissy fit.So in your quote you are referencing Wright's quote. Wright started off talking about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You say all of what he said is 100% true. You later said what we did in WWII (bombing Japan) was "necessary for the greater good" - I guess what Wright said isn't 100% true after all (at least according to your wishy-washy words - fuckin backpeddler). Oh, not to mention javaguru pointed out how the ddecision to bomb Japan was languished over!
LOL @ you calling America the "world police"! Yeah, I watched that movie too...it was funny.
When you look at the entire world, I don't see America trying to "police" it all. Maybe we're not quite the "world police" after all.We supported terrorism against Palestine and S. African blacks? I don't think to say we "supported" it is quite accurate. There's another point where Wright is not "100% true".
Oh, I could go on, but I'll just say...when it comes to debating...YOU SUCK!
Go on now and cry again, then tell us how it's not worth it to continue on with this because we're all stupid. I'm sure you're the smartest most brilliant guy here.
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There is also the question of pernicious radical influences on his political views
I am not sure he could even pass an FBI background check to work for an aerospace contractor doing secret DOD work
I am not sure he could even pass an FBI background check to work for an aerospace contractor doing secret DOD work
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Top Ten Reasons why Oh Bama! will explain, this is not about race:
10. Jesse Jackson and the Reverand Al Sharpton said so.
9. I was actually born a poor white kid, but said I was black to qualify for affirmative action jobs.
8. I root for Tiger Woods.
7. I hate the NBA.
6. The rainbow has more colors than a bag of skittles.
5. I never sang the song, "Gonna Kill me a White Man."
4. I watch every Denzel movie.
3. I'm like Bill Cosby, and he influenced my decisions more than religion, his show.
2. White people loved me before this came out.
1. I slept through 20 years of sermons.
10. Jesse Jackson and the Reverand Al Sharpton said so.
9. I was actually born a poor white kid, but said I was black to qualify for affirmative action jobs.
8. I root for Tiger Woods.
7. I hate the NBA.
6. The rainbow has more colors than a bag of skittles.
5. I never sang the song, "Gonna Kill me a White Man."
4. I watch every Denzel movie.
3. I'm like Bill Cosby, and he influenced my decisions more than religion, his show.
2. White people loved me before this came out.
1. I slept through 20 years of sermons.
bigmann245
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Burning_Inside said:
dude we bombed japan because we were attacked first. overkill maybe but it did stop the issues between us and japan real quick. we were attacked on 911 completely unprovoked. now that we are on the offensive we are the bad guys. if someone attacks my home im gonna hit them back 10 fold. i know 3 wrongs dont make a right but it make us even.
needtogetarmy
CEO of Project Mayhem
Here is another Obama contradiction from his past. He preaches unity but when he was elected to Harvard review he was not so open minded:
On his goals in his new post, Mr. Obama said, ‘I personally am interested in pushing a strong minority perspective. I'm fairly opinionated bout this.
It is an excerpt from a NYT article from 1990.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/nyt_obama_feb_6_1990.html
Funny it doesn't sound like a view espoused by someone who accepts everyone as being equal.
On his goals in his new post, Mr. Obama said, ‘I personally am interested in pushing a strong minority perspective. I'm fairly opinionated bout this.
It is an excerpt from a NYT article from 1990.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/nyt_obama_feb_6_1990.html
Funny it doesn't sound like a view espoused by someone who accepts everyone as being equal.
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