trinity united my ass

[gotmilk]

If you bomb places just to kill people and get them to surrender, that is a terrorist act. Pearl harbor was not Nagasaki or Hiroshima. They went after boats, we destroyed a city. Now, if they had bombed San Diego, I might agree with the eye for an eye theory.

We have strategically bombed areas for decades. We fucked up the Republican Guard in Basra during Gulf 1 by carpetbombing parts of the City. We tagged entire blocks in Panama. We hit entire encampments in the Balkans and parts of Afghanistan.

Everyone of those bombings was a violation of Article 51 of Geneva Protocol I, but shit happens. The population of Basra dropped by almost 300,000 after we bombed the "Republican Guard" in their area.

Sometimes you just have to kill everything in site to send a message.

 

[Spartacus]

What you can tally is the deaths of US soldiers. The extreme religious practices by the people in the middle east is where the challenge is at. Convincing the people will take far longer than a decade.

the young (~60%) Iranian population is very pro-western. I think the extreme religious elements in the mid-east are in the minority. In time,and you can quibble about the length of that time, I believe the mid-east will become more democratic and "western-like".
Like Dubai

would you rather lose 3000 soldiers?
or another 3000 civilians?
soldiers are soldiers

 

[blackhawk60]

See the thing is though, we didn't HAVE to drop that bomb directly on Japan. I really think that if we just dropped it somewhere "else" and let them see what it could do and we mean business they'd have signed the papers and surrendered. They just called our bluff, we took it personally and went overboard IMO.

Even after the bombs were dropped, there were a group of Japanese military personell who were planning on kidnapping the emperor to prevent him from telling the Japanese people to surrender. A wave of incoming bombers forced the emperor to a shelter, and prevented his capture.

 

[redsamurai]

yep

wright said: "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Sorry but that is all 100% true. you reap what you sow. Don't want your nose covered in shit, don't stick it in. It's the whole blowback thing that Ron paul was trying to drive home to the blind patriots that think U.S are the World fucking police and should eb able to do whatever the fuck it wants to whomever and they should like it cause we are fucking awesome and so on and so forth.

 

[redsamurai]

^^^ 50 years later we (the US) are still questioning our own use of the A bomb - I'd say we've been batting an eye for 50 years. No other sociey is as introspective as America.
Don't you have arm blades to play with in your trailer park?

"no society is as introspective as america".......??? With that statement I sincerely hope you're referring to the very people you deride as the "liberal elite"...........cause they're the only ones doing any kind of "introspecting".

The use of the bomb against japan was just.........and I have big time admiration of Japanese society. Well, at least Japanese society "before" the west basically forced them out of isolation. I do think that Japanese imperialism was born out of the old bitterness towards the west, and primarily the U.S........for destroying their old ways.

 

[redsamurai]

ww 1&2 were the only just wars we ever got into in the 20th century. Korean war, Vietnam etc, etc. All the rest was self serving bullshit. The market here would have taken care of our energy policies years ago if it hadn't been shackled by our govt. So therefor even the Gulf war would have been meaningless. I'm sorry........bombing a country because they want to be socialist or because they have oil is not something I agree with. During the revolutionary war we didn't want to be limey's anymore........so we fought and won. Why can't we let other society's go through those same growing pains?

I suppose we should not have "dicked around" in Europe or Japan in WWII. Same deal with Saddam? America is wrong and evil. Hitler, Stalin, and Saddam are saints. I don't even know where to begin replying to this. You believe we went into Iraq just to make them "more American?" Where do you come up with this type of thinking? We went in because there was a United Nations resolution authorizing force. Additionally, the US was just one of many countries that went to war. Are the Aussies also trying to force their culture on the Iraqi people? What about Poland? The UK? Finally, comparing China invading the US to the US invading Iraq is totally misplaced. The war has absolutely nothing to do with culture or leadership.

 

[blackhawk60]

tomato tomahto, for every one person that thinks the war is wrong and what we're doing over there alltogether in all aspects is wrong, there's one redneck that is rooting for it after he just came home from a long night of drinkin and gay bashin and draggin blacks down a country road tied to his truck. lol dude I didn't even SEE or BRING UP what he said about anything other than what i quoted in my first post in this thread.



lol you need some drugs. You are just tossing shit out there making up what yuo want about what I supposedly believe when i gave you absolutely nothing to go on in anything I wrote for you to take it to the levels of stupidity you're taking this to. For the record, what we did in ww2 was probably necessary for the greater good as that was a completely different scenario than today. And the Iraq thing? Shit buddy, how many fucking more reports are they going to have to release saying that Iraq had no fucking connection with Al -cock-ass-fucking-Qaeda before you take Warren Buffet's words of wisdom to heart and just agree it's about oil, not about finding Bin Laden in AFGHANISTAN.

I don't know anybody that thought we were going to war with Iraq because they were involved with 9/11. Not one single person. I've heard this mentioned a lot, how people were snookered, but i've never actually met anyone who thought they were involved with 9/11.

I personally thought we should go because Saddam is nuts, has used WMD's on his own people, was supposed to show they were destroyed, but never did. I guess we were just supposed to take this trustworthy guy at his word. And, his bat shit crazy sons were going to take over the family business. I thought we should go ahead and get it over with, because I figured we would be headed back to that area sooner or later. I don't think it was handled right from the outset, but it seems to be now.

You say you didn't see or bring up anything else the guy said other than what you quoted. Perhaps you should research it a bit.

Now, I gotta go make sure my ropes are all set for my night of drinkin and gay bashin and draggin blacks down country roads...or as I like to refer to it, Saturday night. Do you even see the irony in that statement...how prejudiced the statement is...about a group of people who obviously, by your estimation, must be gay bashin racist country fucks?

Spartacus, lt me know if that was improper usage of the word "irony".

 

[redsamurai]

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Sometimes you just have to kill everything in site to send a message.

And you breed another generation of "terrorists". Why again do you come across dumbfounded that there are people that hate the U.S?? If your family had been carpetbombed, you'd strap on a c4 vest too.

 

[redsamurai]

Please explain to me why it is we should have cared whether he's nuts or not? And wasn't he our buddy in the 80's when we were trying to fuck over Iran? Yeah, we pretty much built him up in the hopes of creating a counter to Iran. How'd that work? Who is it that has the nuke capability now? If Sadaam was nuts, than the syrians or Iranians would have eventually had to deal with him. Or, better yet.........the 70-80% of Iraqi people who were Shia, would eventually have overthrown his sunni ass. Again, we meddled in a situation that we needn't have. Instead of invading Iraq, we could have started making serious "Non physical/violent" overtures to Venezuela so that someone like Chavez doesn't come to power and we have a source of oil independant from the middle east. How fantastic does that sound? It rubs my balls right.

I don't know anybody that thought we were going to war with Iraq because they were involved with 9/11. Not one single person. I've heard this mentioned a lot, how people were snookered, but i've never actually met anyone who thought they were involved with 9/11.

I personally thought we should go because Saddam is nuts, has used WMD's on his own people, was supposed to show they were destroyed, but never did. I guess we were just supposed to take this trustworthy guy at his word. And, his bat shit crazy sons were going to take over the family business. I thought we should go ahead and get it over with, because I figured we would be headed back to that area sooner or later. I don't think it was handled right from the outset, but it seems to be now.

You say you didn't see or bring up anything else the guy said other than what you quoted. Perhaps you should research it a bit.

Now, I gotta go make sure my ropes are all set for my night of drinkin and gay bashin and draggin blacks down country roads...or as I like to refer to it, Saturday night. Do you even see the irony in that statement...how prejudiced the statement is...about a group of people who obviously, by your estimation, must be gay bashin racist country fucks?

Spartacus, lt me know if that was improper usage of the word "irony".

 

[Spartacus]

And you breed another generation of "terrorists". Why again do you come across dumbfounded that there are people that hate the U.S?? If your family had been carpetbombed, you'd strap on a c4 vest too.

it isn't breeding terrorists in Iran. the young Iranian population is pro-west. even more so since '03. I think they're being shown the possibilities and they like it.

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