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Approved Log End if Health Phase - Testosterone Retatrutide MotsC NAD HGH Cycle Log

Bit behind schedule today.


Hit a nasty push sesh.

Struggling on my left side a little with pushing for incline and flat.

Peck dose feel a little tight tho.

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Dropping the traning log over here today 👊👊 instead of on evo like normal
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@Unitedau @Southern Cross Labs


Pull

My program is one all out top set, I had been doing very high volume for a year and this low volume approach was kind of a trial, I realised I was holding back from max output. If you've never tried it give it a go.

Pull up's (next week set 2 is weighted)
  • Bw x22
  • Bw x 18
Close grip lat pull down duel clip

Feeder sets

  • 35kg x10
  • 45kg x10
Working set

  • 55kg x 7
Back off set

  • 35kg till failure then partials


Bent over db row

Feeders

  • 30kg x10
Working set

  • 55kg x8
Back off

  • 30kg x10


Reverse peck deck

Feeder sets

  • 54kg x 10
  • 68kg x10
Working set

  • 89kg x10
Back off

  • 54kg x failure


Cable face pull

Feeder sets

  • 17.5kg x10
  • 25kg x10
Working set

  • 36.25kg x 10


Machine bicep curl (Cybeex eagle arm curl)

Feeder sets

  • 31.5kg x10
  • 49.5kg x 10
Working set

  • 85.5kg x 7
Back off set

  • 31.5kg x failure/partials


Db hammer curl

Feeder set

  • 15kg x10
Working set

  • 20kg x9
Back off set

  • All the way down the track from 20kg-12.5kg
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Goal for the coming year. This but leaner and +10kg

Reminder new log kicks off Monday. Just motioning out some final details. And provisions needed.

Some things I'm using in the new log I did buy outside my sponsorships and I will be tagging the labs they are from in the intro post for it.

Eg my cycle support (men's vital by @RGSX )
 
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Almost time to put more meat and potato's on these dumb sticks.

But let's break down some of what I'm running peptide wise.

@Unitedau

I'm running 6iu pre bed if his infamous green top 360iu hgh.

3mg Reta a week at this stage.

Currently also running

2mg mots c fasted daily in the morning.
For those who don't know MOTS-c is basically a metabolic regulator, it activates AMPK, in other words it turns up glucose uptake and fat oxidisation.

And 50mg NAD+ fasted daily basically it helps drive ATP production.

Stacked they work like this
  • MOTS-c says: “we’re under stress, adapt”
  • NAD⁺ says: “here’s the energy + tools to do it”
I do stack these along side other peptides like

Oral
SLUPP332
5amino1mq
Methylene Blue


And I'll be continuing to run them during my upcoming planned 6month cycle with escalations.

Mots c will be going to 4mg daily at some point

Nad will be increased slowly to 100mg daily

I might even push the hgh to 9iu daily and split the dosage 3-6

And SS31 will be brought in towards the end of the cycle
 
Dropping the traning log over here today 👊👊 instead of on evo like normal
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@Unitedau @Southern Cross Labs


Pull

My program is one all out top set, I had been doing very high volume for a year and this low volume approach was kind of a trial, I realised I was holding back from max output. If you've never tried it give it a go.

Pull up's (next week set 2 is weighted)
  • Bw x22
  • Bw x 18
Close grip lat pull down duel clip

Feeder sets

  • 35kg x10
  • 45kg x10
Working set

  • 55kg x 7
Back off set

  • 35kg till failure then partials


Bent over db row

Feeders

  • 30kg x10
Working set

  • 55kg x8
Back off

  • 30kg x10


Reverse peck deck

Feeder sets

  • 54kg x 10
  • 68kg x10
Working set

  • 89kg x10
Back off

  • 54kg x failure


Cable face pull

Feeder sets

  • 17.5kg x10
  • 25kg x10
Working set

  • 36.25kg x 10


Machine bicep curl (Cybeex eagle arm curl)

Feeder sets

  • 31.5kg x10
  • 49.5kg x 10
Working set

  • 85.5kg x 7
Back off set

  • 31.5kg x failure/partials


Db hammer curl

Feeder set

  • 15kg x10
Working set

  • 20kg x9
Back off set

  • All the way down the track from 20kg-12.5kg
View attachment 169066


Goal for the coming year. This but leaner and +10kg

Reminder new log kicks off Monday. Just motioning out some final details. And provisions needed.

Some things I'm using in the new log I did buy outside my sponsorships and I will be tagging the labs they are from in the intro post for it.

Eg my cycle support (men's vital by @RGSX )

View attachment 169118Almost time to put more meat and potato's on these dumb sticks.

But let's break down some of what I'm running peptide wise.

@Unitedau

I'm running 6iu pre bed if his infamous green top 360iu hgh.

3mg Reta a week at this stage.

Currently also running

2mg mots c fasted daily in the morning.
For those who don't know MOTS-c is basically a metabolic regulator, it activates AMPK, in other words it turns up glucose uptake and fat oxidisation.

And 50mg NAD+ fasted daily basically it helps drive ATP production.

Stacked they work like this
  • MOTS-c says: “we’re under stress, adapt”
  • NAD⁺ says: “here’s the energy + tools to do it”
I do stack these along side other peptides like

Oral
SLUPP332
5amino1mq
Methylene Blue


And I'll be continuing to run them during my upcoming planned 6month cycle with escalations.

Mots c will be going to 4mg daily at some point

Nad will be increased slowly to 100mg daily

I might even push the hgh to 9iu daily and split the dosage 3-6

And SS31 will be brought in towards the end of the cycle
you wake up this vascular? this is like a sub 10% bf easy
 
A 26 week Push cycle! 😍
Now that's a new one! 🤔

But not for some & I doubt that this isn't even close to what a lot of Bodybuilders myself included have actually done as far as the amount of time spent on cycle & the performance enhancing compounds & doses used.

We all know that what is written in common literature on recommendations for Cycle length & Dosages for a very long time now for a Push or Blast Cycle involves Cycle durations of anywhere from 6-12 weeks so as not to jeopardise health both physical & mental.
Push or Blast doses involve anything taken in Supraphysiological doses beyond what is recommended for medical & pharmacological reasons.

Most people including some of the Mods on EF & EVO from what they have posted in replies to gear use (I've been blasted by them & tried to be derailed even with real world & factual evidence to the contrary) claim that abuse of Aas involves much higher doses than that in their opinion involve, but the fact is that abuse of Steroids involves any Steroid cycle at doses & polypharmaceutic levels above what recommended in & medical & pharmaceutical doses.

My personal experience tells a tale of being on cycle for 33 years non stop!
Has anyone else even seen or heard of this before me?

I managed to get to top 2 & 3 in the men's open Ifbb Heavyweight & Superheavyweight Classes by doing this with Ass use & with no implemented dietary, cardio, supplement or medication Ill health preventative measures.
I had never once used Hgh to acheive this, despite what most if not all of my fellow competitors were doing to get there.

Now as far as my health & Psychological well being are concerned my bloods have been within normal range for the whole time depending what doses & compounds I used with no apparent damage to my heart or liver as bloods, Ecg's & stress testing say & Psychologically nothing over other than what bodybuilding & Ped use at a high level will most certainly bring to interpersonal relationships, jobs & 100% dedication to training & eating on time.

My kidneys might tell a different story however.
I might have some permanent damage (maybe?)
But what if went to Trt permanently & lost all of my above average muscle mass would my markers then improve?
My Kidney disease is almost definitely due to something called Exercise nephropathy for 35 years, Hyperfiltration, Chronic inflammation, largely unchecked should have been commonly checked blood pressure & the stress of which having high muscle mass for 35 years, continuous high intensity weight training & eating a high protein diet can induce.

My case is going to be a very interesting & informative one & one that no one should want to miss as I plan to document all of this on my upcoming logs & to reach out for a podcast.

Briefly, I was admitted to hospital 5 years ago after suffering severe fatigue (this was later proven to be from ADD & Bi-polar like burnout, with severe kidney failure after they gave me blood tests.

They treated me for Kidney failure using I.v water loading, immunosuppresant therapy, high doses of Prednisone for long periods of time (that really fucked me up!) Which involved long hospital stays involving complete bed rest, countless hours off from work, immense psychological distress, depression, anxiety & discomfort for me & my family, massive financial pressures & long periods of bed rest for years at home because I was told that I needed too, which is why I lost most of my high muscle mass, strength & conditioning.

The Nephrologist who treated me & took my case on refused to give me a Serum Cystatin C test despite me begging for one at any time & never once said that my muscle mass or high intensity weight training was a factor that needed to be taken into account, mind youI was weighing 106kg & very lean at the time of my first hospital admission for kidney failure.
I have on my Hospital admission papers that I refused to believe that my kidney failure wasn't just a result of my high muscle mass & temporarily falsley elevated markers due to high intensity weight training.

My Nephrologist actually said straight to my face that I didn't have much muscle on my body & that he had treated much bigger guys (think not very lean at all & have a much bigger & broader bone structure which happens to look much bigger in clothes)
My Nephrologist is skinny btw & I see Him all of the time weight training at the gym I go too.
So He probably had a jealous bee in His bonnet too.

What he failed to take into account in His physique assessment of me was that my bmi for a male at the time should have been 31 (obese) contrary to what my most recent Dexa scan at the time had said which had me at 106kg &10% bf.
I most definitely! didn't have any of the obvious tell tale signs of being obese by even a long shot!

I now have the Cystatin C tests from back then until now to prove that I was never in any actual kidney failure or level of kidney dysfunction to warrant any of the medical treatments & advice that was to be given me!

I'm on Disability pension now due my supposed level of kidney disease based on Creatinine based egfr testing & also from Depression & my levels of physical impairment from my injuries.

I'm going to take everyone involved in this malpractice for all that it's worth for a well deserved & massive payout!

Demon @Demon_throne I am 100% gunning for you on your 26 week cycle & I am absolutely positive! That all of your health parameters will be within acceptable range as they are now & will be during & after your cycle provided that you regularly monitor your blood pressure & take precautions using diet, supplements, exercise & medications.

Brother we are going to give a big fuck you! To the current guidelines & opinions regarding dosages & length of time spent on Blast/Push cycle! 💯❤️💫💪🏆
 
A 26 week Push cycle! 😍
Now that's a new one! 🤔

But not for some & I doubt that this isn't even close to what a lot of Bodybuilders myself included have actually done as far as the amount of time spent on cycle & the performance enhancing compounds & doses used.

We all know that what is written in common literature on recommendations for Cycle length & Dosages for a very long time now for a Push or Blast Cycle involves Cycle durations of anywhere from 6-12 weeks so as not to jeopardise health both physical & mental.
Push or Blast doses involve anything taken in Supraphysiological doses beyond what is recommended for medical & pharmacological reasons.

Most people including some of the Mods on EF & EVO from what they have posted in replies to gear use (I've been blasted by them & tried to be derailed even with real world & factual evidence to the contrary) claim that abuse of Aas involves much higher doses than that in their opinion involve, but the fact is that abuse of Steroids involves any Steroid cycle at doses & polypharmaceutic levels above what recommended in & medical & pharmaceutical doses.

My personal experience tells a tale of being on cycle for 33 years non stop!
Has anyone else even seen or heard of this before me?

I managed to get to top 2 & 3 in the men's open Ifbb Heavyweight & Superheavyweight Classes by doing this with Ass use & with no implemented dietary, cardio, supplement or medication Ill health preventative measures.
I had never once used Hgh to acheive this, despite what most if not all of my fellow competitors were doing to get there.

Now as far as my health & Psychological well being are concerned my bloods have been within normal range for the whole time depending what doses & compounds I used with no apparent damage to my heart or liver as bloods, Ecg's & stress testing say & Psychologically nothing over other than what bodybuilding & Ped use at a high level will most certainly bring to interpersonal relationships, jobs & 100% dedication to training & eating on time.

My kidneys might tell a different story however.
I might have some permanent damage (maybe?)
But what if went to Trt permanently & lost all of my above average muscle mass would my markers then improve?
My Kidney disease is almost definitely due to something called Exercise nephropathy for 35 years, Hyperfiltration, Chronic inflammation, largely unchecked should have been commonly checked blood pressure & the stress of which having high muscle mass for 35 years, continuous high intensity weight training & eating a high protein diet can induce.

My case is going to be a very interesting & informative one & one that no one should want to miss as I plan to document all of this on my upcoming logs & to reach out for a podcast.

Briefly, I was admitted to hospital 5 years ago after suffering severe fatigue (this was later proven to be from ADD & Bi-polar like burnout, with severe kidney failure after they gave me blood tests.

They treated me for Kidney failure using I.v water loading, immunosuppresant therapy, high doses of Prednisone for long periods of time (that really fucked me up!) Which involved long hospital stays involving complete bed rest, countless hours off from work, immense psychological distress, depression, anxiety & discomfort for me & my family, massive financial pressures & long periods of bed rest for years at home because I was told that I needed too, which is why I lost most of my high muscle mass, strength & conditioning.

The Nephrologist who treated me & took my case on refused to give me a Serum Cystatin C test despite me begging for one at any time & never once said that my muscle mass or high intensity weight training was a factor that needed to be taken into account, mind youI was weighing 106kg & very lean at the time of my first hospital admission for kidney failure.
I have on my Hospital admission papers that I refused to believe that my kidney failure wasn't just a result of my high muscle mass & temporarily falsley elevated markers due to high intensity weight training.

My Nephrologist actually said straight to my face that I didn't have much muscle on my body & that he had treated much bigger guys (think not very lean at all & have a much bigger & broader bone structure which happens to look much bigger in clothes)
My Nephrologist is skinny btw & I see Him all of the time weight training at the gym I go too.
So He probably had a jealous bee in His bonnet too.

What he failed to take into account in His physique assessment of me was that my bmi for a male at the time should have been 31 (obese) contrary to what my most recent Dexa scan at the time had said which had me at 106kg &10% bf.
I most definitely! didn't have any of the obvious tell tale signs of being obese by even a long shot!

I now have the Cystatin C tests from back then until now to prove that I was never in any actual kidney failure or level of kidney dysfunction to warrant any of the medical treatments & advice that was to be given me!

I'm on Disability pension now due my supposed level of kidney disease based on Creatinine based egfr testing & also from Depression & my levels of physical impairment from my injuries.

I'm going to take everyone involved in this malpractice for all that it's worth for a well deserved & massive payout!

Demon @Demon_throne I am 100% gunning for you on your 26 week cycle & I am absolutely positive! That all of your health parameters will be within acceptable range as they are now & will be during & after your cycle provided that you regularly monitor your blood pressure & take precautions using diet, supplements, exercise & medications.

Brother we are going to give a big fuck you! To the current guidelines & opinions regarding dosages & length of time spent on Blast/Push cycle! 💯❤️💫💪🏆
That kind of the reason. A lot of people are pushing 16weeks. I feel I'm smart enough to be able to take as much preventative measures as I can to keep eveything as good as I can for the entire duration.

This is the only thing that matters in my life chasing my dream so Im willing to take the risks needed to get there. After so many years of drug abuse, I'm finally abusing myself for a positive reason for my dream.

I might dm you the break down of the entire rough lay out it's extremely advanced.

This cycle is basically add as much mass as I can in 6months while keeping under 15% body fat (that's assuming I'm currently 12%)
 
That kind of the reason. A lot of people are pushing 16weeks. I feel I'm smart enough to be able to take as much preventative measures as I can to keep eveything as good as I can for the entire duration.

This is the only thing that matters in my life chasing my dream so Im willing to take the risks needed to get there. After so many years of drug abuse, I'm finally abusing myself for a positive reason for my dream.

I might dm you the break down of the entire rough lay out it's extremely advanced.

This cycle is basically add as much mass as I can in 6months while keeping under 15% body fat (that's assuming I'm currently 12%)
You are sub 10% easily brother, the only place on your body that I can see that you hold a little fat (& that is still a very small amount) is on your lower back.
Please do Dm brother! Let's put our heads together on this.
Your results are going to be next level 💯 I'm certain! 💫💪
 
With my current logs on the verge of ending I'm going to be a bit lazy today it's a full copy paste post.

Sorry to those who read it twice 🫶👊

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Honestly sitting about 11% or if I am 10% or sub I've had a nasty water rebound after being sick with gastro.

Legs/lower



Leg extension

Feeder

  • 47kg x10
  • 89.5kg x 10
Working set

  • 126.5kg x10
Back off

  • 89.5kg x failure
Single leg leg press (50kg slead) weight listed are in plates

Feeder

  • 60kg x 10
Working set

  • 110kg x 8
Back off set

  • 60kg x10
Pendulum squat

Working

  • 120kg x8
Laying ham curl

Feeder

  • 41.5kg x10
Working set

  • 67kg x 8
DB stiff legged deadlift

Feeder

  • 30kg x10
Working set

  • 67.5kg x7
Standing calf raise (hammer strength)

Working set

  • 185kg x 9
Seated calf raise

Working

  • 90kg x9
 
A 26 week Push cycle! 😍
Now that's a new one! 🤔

But not for some & I doubt that this isn't even close to what a lot of Bodybuilders myself included have actually done as far as the amount of time spent on cycle & the performance enhancing compounds & doses used.

We all know that what is written in common literature on recommendations for Cycle length & Dosages for a very long time now for a Push or Blast Cycle involves Cycle durations of anywhere from 6-12 weeks so as not to jeopardise health both physical & mental.
Push or Blast doses involve anything taken in Supraphysiological doses beyond what is recommended for medical & pharmacological reasons.

Most people including some of the Mods on EF & EVO from what they have posted in replies to gear use (I've been blasted by them & tried to be derailed even with real world & factual evidence to the contrary) claim that abuse of Aas involves much higher doses than that in their opinion involve, but the fact is that abuse of Steroids involves any Steroid cycle at doses & polypharmaceutic levels above what recommended in & medical & pharmaceutical doses.

My personal experience tells a tale of being on cycle for 33 years non stop!
Has anyone else even seen or heard of this before me?

I managed to get to top 2 & 3 in the men's open Ifbb Heavyweight & Superheavyweight Classes by doing this with Ass use & with no implemented dietary, cardio, supplement or medication Ill health preventative measures.
I had never once used Hgh to acheive this, despite what most if not all of my fellow competitors were doing to get there.

Now as far as my health & Psychological well being are concerned my bloods have been within normal range for the whole time depending what doses & compounds I used with no apparent damage to my heart or liver as bloods, Ecg's & stress testing say & Psychologically nothing over other than what bodybuilding & Ped use at a high level will most certainly bring to interpersonal relationships, jobs & 100% dedication to training & eating on time.

My kidneys might tell a different story however.
I might have some permanent damage (maybe?)
But what if went to Trt permanently & lost all of my above average muscle mass would my markers then improve?
My Kidney disease is almost definitely due to something called Exercise nephropathy for 35 years, Hyperfiltration, Chronic inflammation, largely unchecked should have been commonly checked blood pressure & the stress of which having high muscle mass for 35 years, continuous high intensity weight training & eating a high protein diet can induce.

My case is going to be a very interesting & informative one & one that no one should want to miss as I plan to document all of this on my upcoming logs & to reach out for a podcast.

Briefly, I was admitted to hospital 5 years ago after suffering severe fatigue (this was later proven to be from ADD & Bi-polar like burnout, with severe kidney failure after they gave me blood tests.

They treated me for Kidney failure using I.v water loading, immunosuppresant therapy, high doses of Prednisone for long periods of time (that really fucked me up!) Which involved long hospital stays involving complete bed rest, countless hours off from work, immense psychological distress, depression, anxiety & discomfort for me & my family, massive financial pressures & long periods of bed rest for years at home because I was told that I needed too, which is why I lost most of my high muscle mass, strength & conditioning.

The Nephrologist who treated me & took my case on refused to give me a Serum Cystatin C test despite me begging for one at any time & never once said that my muscle mass or high intensity weight training was a factor that needed to be taken into account, mind youI was weighing 106kg & very lean at the time of my first hospital admission for kidney failure.
I have on my Hospital admission papers that I refused to believe that my kidney failure wasn't just a result of my high muscle mass & temporarily falsley elevated markers due to high intensity weight training.

My Nephrologist actually said straight to my face that I didn't have much muscle on my body & that he had treated much bigger guys (think not very lean at all & have a much bigger & broader bone structure which happens to look much bigger in clothes)
My Nephrologist is skinny btw & I see Him all of the time weight training at the gym I go too.
So He probably had a jealous bee in His bonnet too.

What he failed to take into account in His physique assessment of me was that my bmi for a male at the time should have been 31 (obese) contrary to what my most recent Dexa scan at the time had said which had me at 106kg &10% bf.
I most definitely! didn't have any of the obvious tell tale signs of being obese by even a long shot!

I now have the Cystatin C tests from back then until now to prove that I was never in any actual kidney failure or level of kidney dysfunction to warrant any of the medical treatments & advice that was to be given me!

I'm on Disability pension now due my supposed level of kidney disease based on Creatinine based egfr testing & also from Depression & my levels of physical impairment from my injuries.

I'm going to take everyone involved in this malpractice for all that it's worth for a well deserved & massive payout!

Demon @Demon_throne I am 100% gunning for you on your 26 week cycle & I am absolutely positive! That all of your health parameters will be within acceptable range as they are now & will be during & after your cycle provided that you regularly monitor your blood pressure & take precautions using diet, supplements, exercise & medications.

Brother we are going to give a big fuck you! To the current guidelines & opinions regarding dosages & length of time spent on Blast/Push cycle! 💯❤️💫💪🏆
Thanks for sharing such a well detailed breakdown. Love the transparency here. Like an open book.
 
Very noticeable difference in conditioning!
You have accrued additional muscle mass in that time period too!
According to chatGPT

MY NEXT 12 months should focus on


1. Upper chest (BIG one)
  • Needs more thickness to match your legs
  • Will massively improve front relaxed + side chest
2. Delts (especially lateral + rear)
  • You’ve got size, but need more cap
  • This creates that Classic “frame illusion"

3. Back width (lats)
  • From the front you’ll look insane once this comes up
  • Think: more flare, not just thickness
4. Arms (slightly behind legs)
  • Not small, just not at the same level as quads yet
  • Triceps especially for side poses
If March 2027 looks like:
  • +3–5kg quality tissue
  • Better upper body balance
It went on to say


👉 Yes — you’ll be legitimately competitive in Classic. Not just “on stage,” but in the mix.
 
According to chatGPT

MY NEXT 12 months should focus on


1. Upper chest (BIG one)
  • Needs more thickness to match your legs
  • Will massively improve front relaxed + side chest
2. Delts (especially lateral + rear)
  • You’ve got size, but need more cap
  • This creates that Classic “frame illusion"

3. Back width (lats)
  • From the front you’ll look insane once this comes up
  • Think: more flare, not just thickness
4. Arms (slightly behind legs)
  • Not small, just not at the same level as quads yet
  • Triceps especially for side poses
If March 2027 looks like:
  • +3–5kg quality tissue
  • Better upper body balance
It went on to say


👉 Yes — you’ll be legitimately competitive in Classic. Not just “on stage,” but in the mix.
i hate ai bro
 
According to chatGPT

MY NEXT 12 months should focus on


1. Upper chest (BIG one)
  • Needs more thickness to match your legs
  • Will massively improve front relaxed + side chest
2. Delts (especially lateral + rear)
  • You’ve got size, but need more cap
  • This creates that Classic “frame illusion"

3. Back width (lats)
  • From the front you’ll look insane once this comes up
  • Think: more flare, not just thickness
4. Arms (slightly behind legs)
  • Not small, just not at the same level as quads yet
  • Triceps especially for side poses
If March 2027 looks like:
  • +3–5kg quality tissue
  • Better upper body balance
It went on to say


👉 Yes — you’ll be legitimately competitive in Classic. Not just “on stage,” but in the mix.
Judges at the competition will be looking at every single pose for comparisons.
It's good to see the body in every single pose to judge when a person can be competitive.
In my books the front double bicep pose is the one to look for if anyone is going to have enough size to look competitive.
At 185cm tall my arms were around 18.5" stage ready. So my Arms needed to be 19.5"-20" off-season at 10% bf in order to make that cut.
Since we are asking Ai (which is a good reference because it calls on all available data)
We can ask what is the average circumference of a natural bodybuilders arms?

For a natural (non-enhanced) bodybuilder, the average arm circumference is generally considered to be in the range of
16 to 18 inches (40.6–45.7 cm) for competitive amateurs, when flexed.
Topend Sports
While a "normal" untrained male may have a flexed arm around 14.6 inches, dedicated, long-term natural bodybuilders often reach and maintain 16–17 inch arms at a low body fat percentage.
Key Findings on Natural Arm Sizes
  • Muscular/Advanced Natural: 16–18 inches is often seen as the ceiling for many natural bodybuilders after years of consistent training.
  • "Ripped" Standard: A lean 17-inch arm (at ~10-15% body fat) is considered a top-tier accomplishment for most natural lifters.
  • Genetic Limits: While some may achieve 18–19 inches naturally, lean 20-inch arms are rare without performance-enhancing drugs.
Factors Affecting Arm Size
  • Body Fat: A higher body fat percentage increases the circumference, but a competitive bodybuilder measures to determine muscle mass, not fat.
  • Height/Frame: A 16-inch arm will look proportionately larger on a 5'7" individual compared to someone 6'2".
  • Training Age: Reaching 16-17 inches usually requires 5–15 years of consistent, progressive training.
We can then off course call up answers to measurements off-season of physique Compeditors such as leg circumference, chest etc It's a good guide to knowing when you might have gained enough muscle size in order to be competitive when you cut down.
 
Thanks for sharing such a well detailed breakdown. Love the transparency here. Like an open book.
Brother in the very early days when I was starting out I followed the teaching of the Great Mike Mentzer who was well know for helping to pioneer low set high intensity weight training that later on the great Dorian Yates would forge His own training from.
Mike was also an accomplished Philosopher said that,
'Lying is immoral taking Steroids is not'.
So after much thought about this I decided that I was always going to be truthful & forthcoming with all of my approaches with everything that I did even if it caused me to not be liked or unpopular.
By doing this I felt happy within myself that I was transparent & truthful which I believe is the best way to help people as they could then decide if the approach was necessary for the result that were hoping for.

I firmly believe that knowledge is power, I have always loved receiving new information it is fuel for thought for me!
My approach is to take on any new information openly without any cognitive bias.
It is Human nature to protect our already learned & accepted held beliefs & ideas & when we are greeted with new information that challenges our already held beliefs & ideas it triggers a defensive reaction because it is easier to hold onto those beliefs rather than new one's as we would then have to admit that the information that we held & had accepted might have been wrong & that can be challenging for a lot of people because it can trigger an emotional response that says I was wrong & now I feel defeated & sad.

Furthermore Mike also said that,
'I am not interested in being proven right or wrong I am only interested in the truth'

For transparency in regards to my bloods & being on cycle for the past 33 years & am 50 years old at present.
Here are my latest bloods that came back just a few days ago in regards to my latest compounds used in my 33 year cycle,
I am taking
700mg test
200mg Deca
400mg Mast E
70mg Tren E
Hgh 4i:u
 

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Brother in the very early days when I was starting out I followed the teaching of the Great Mike Mentzer who was well know for helping to pioneer low set high intensity weight training that later on the great Dorian Yates would forge His own training from.
Mike was also an accomplished Philosopher said that,
'Lying is immoral taking Steroids is not'.
So after much thought about this I decided that I was always going to be truthful & forthcoming with all of my approaches with everything that I did even if it caused me to not be liked or unpopular.
By doing this I felt happy within myself that I was transparent & truthful which I believe is the best way to help people as they could then decide if the approach was necessary for the result that were hoping for.

I firmly believe that knowledge is power, I have always loved receiving new information it is fuel for thought for me!
My approach is to take on any new information openly without any cognitive bias.
It is Human nature to protect our already learned & accepted held beliefs & ideas & when we are greeted with new information that challenges our already held beliefs & ideas it triggers a defensive reaction because it is easier to hold onto those beliefs rather than new one's as we would then have to admit that the information that we held & had accepted might have been wrong & that can be challenging for a lot of people because it can trigger an emotional response that says I was wrong & now I feel defeated & sad.

Furthermore Mike also said that,
'I am not interested in being proven right or wrong I am only interested in the truth'

For transparency in regards to my bloods & being on cycle for the past 33 years & am 50 years old at present.
Here are my latest bloods that came back just a few days ago in regards to my latest compounds used in my 33 year cycle,
I am taking
700mg test
200mg Deca
400mg Mast E
70mg Tren E
Hgh 4i:u
Solid blood work. Better than an 18 year old.

Till this day I still follow Vince Gironda training and mindset philosophy.

Only one person could go through his workouts successfully, that was Serge Nubret.

Even Arnold admitted finding it difficult to get through Vince’s workout.
 
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Judges at the competition will be looking at every single pose for comparisons.
It's good to see the body in every single pose to judge when a person can be competitive.
In my books the front double bicep pose is the one to look for if anyone is going to have enough size to look competitive.
At 185cm tall my arms were around 18.5" stage ready. So my Arms needed to be 19.5"-20" off-season at 10% bf in order to make that cut.
Since we are asking Ai (which is a good reference because it calls on all available data)
We can ask what is the average circumference of a natural bodybuilders arms?

For a natural (non-enhanced) bodybuilder, the average arm circumference is generally considered to be in the range of
16 to 18 inches (40.6–45.7 cm) for competitive amateurs, when flexed.
Topend Sports
While a "normal" untrained male may have a flexed arm around 14.6 inches, dedicated, long-term natural bodybuilders often reach and maintain 16–17 inch arms at a low body fat percentage.
Key Findings on Natural Arm Sizes
  • Muscular/Advanced Natural: 16–18 inches is often seen as the ceiling for many natural bodybuilders after years of consistent training.
  • "Ripped" Standard: A lean 17-inch arm (at ~10-15% body fat) is considered a top-tier accomplishment for most natural lifters.
  • Genetic Limits: While some may achieve 18–19 inches naturally, lean 20-inch arms are rare without performance-enhancing drugs.
Factors Affecting Arm Size
  • Body Fat: A higher body fat percentage increases the circumference, but a competitive bodybuilder measures to determine muscle mass, not fat.
  • Height/Frame: A 16-inch arm will look proportionately larger on a 5'7" individual compared to someone 6'2".
  • Training Age: Reaching 16-17 inches usually requires 5–15 years of consistent, progressive training.
We can then off course call up answers to measurements off-season of physique Compeditors such as leg circumference, chest etc It's a good guide to knowing when you might have gained enough muscle size in order to be competitive when you cut down.
The short answer is to set aside AI analysis, as there are simply too many variables at play on competition day. Factors such as conditioning, dryness, fullness and overall presentation can significantly influence the outcome. Elements like lighting, tanning and stage positioning can dramatically alter how a physique is perceived while judges will also assess additional variables especially when comparing competitors side by side.

Once the competition is complete it’s important to gather as much visual feedback as possible including photos and videos from multiple sources. Reviewing this material with your coach allows for an objective assessment of areas for improvement whether that be size, symmetry, conditioning or simply being slightly off on the day. Ultimately, these critical evaluations should come from both yourself and an experienced third party such as your coach.

Additionally, make an effort to obtain feedback from the judges immediately after stepping off stage. Their insights are often direct and invaluable. Regardless of the outcome, maintain professionalism, stay composed, positive and respectful at all times. The true objective is not the trophy but the continuous process of improving and presenting a better version of yourself at your next competition.
 
Solid blood work. Better than an 18 year old.

Till this day I still follow Vince Gironda training and mindset philosophy.

Only one person could go through his workouts successfully, that was Serge Nubret.

Even Arnold admitted finding it difficult to get through Vince’s workout.

The short answer is to set aside AI analysis, as there are simply too many variables at play on competition day. Factors such as conditioning, dryness, fullness and overall presentation can significantly influence the outcome. Elements like lighting, tanning and stage positioning can dramatically alter how a physique is perceived while judges will also assess additional variables especially when comparing competitors side by side.

Once the competition is complete it’s important to gather as much visual feedback as possible including photos and videos from multiple sources. Reviewing this material with your coach allows for an objective assessment of areas for improvement whether that be size, symmetry, conditioning or simply being slightly off on the day. Ultimately, these critical evaluations should come from both yourself and an experienced third party such as your coach.

Additionally, make an effort to obtain feedback from the judges immediately after stepping off stage. Their insights are often direct and invaluable. Regardless of the outcome, maintain professionalism, stay composed, positive and respectful at all times. The true objective is not the trophy but the continuous process of improving and presenting a better version of yourself at your next competition.
This is spot on!
Viewing your physique objectively from an outside viewers perspective is the only way to become complete as bodybuilding is visual.
Bodybuilding doesn't really on how much weight you can lift or how heavy you are, it's all about how you look.

Winning is satisfying but it's also fleeting & sometimes you can't win.

Hence the main focus needs to be on the process, the enjoyment in each step taken along the way.
 
This is spot on!
Viewing your physique objectively from an outside viewers perspective is the only way to become complete as bodybuilding is visual.
Bodybuilding doesn't really on how much weight you can lift or how heavy you are, it's all about how you look.

Winning is satisfying but it's also fleeting & sometimes you can't win.

Hence the main focus needs to be on the process, the enjoyment in each step taken along the way.
I literally love having this man as my sponsor it's like having another coach. He has even expressed that if he decided to leave trading on the forums that he would remain in touch to check in and see how I'm progressing.

That in itself says a lot.

My reason for doing the so analysis was more a point of curiosity, there are people in this world doing their whole diets and traning programs with ai, and I though using myself as an example I could be like from this photo what do you think needs improvement if I had limited time to get me in the mix.

Yes it all depends on conditioning how you peek, the other competitors the judges.


some people are letting this thing run their lives. Even design protocols for them. Which is fully retarded
 
I literally love having this man as my sponsor it's like having another coach. He has even expressed that if he decided to leave trading on the forums that he would remain in touch to check in and see how I'm progressing.

That in itself says a lot.

My reason for doing the so analysis was more a point of curiosity, there are people in this world doing their whole diets and traning programs with ai, and I though using myself as an example I could be like from this photo what do you think needs improvement if I had limited time to get me in the mix.

Yes it all depends on conditioning how you peek, the other competitors the judges.


some people are letting this thing run their lives. Even design protocols for them. Which is fully retarded
Brother I literally wrote an essay this morning in response @Unitedau & yourself it took hours 😅 but somehow
I managed to delete it accidentally 😭
Basically it was giving credit where credit is due to you both for your conversations open minded thinking, generosity & knowledge
 
Brother I literally wrote an essay this morning in response @Unitedau & yourself it took hours 😅 but somehow
I managed to delete it accidentally 😭
Basically it was giving credit where credit is due to you both for your conversations open minded thinking, generosity & knowledge
It's all good legend. Your team demonthrone now anyway. New logs live I posted the link up there^ and tagged you because I figured you would want to check it out
 
I literally love having this man as my sponsor it's like having another coach. He has even expressed that if he decided to leave trading on the forums that he would remain in touch to check in and see how I'm progressing.

That in itself says a lot.

My reason for doing the so analysis was more a point of curiosity, there are people in this world doing their whole diets and traning programs with ai, and I though using myself as an example I could be like from this photo what do you think needs improvement if I had limited time to get me in the mix.

Yes it all depends on conditioning how you peek, the other competitors the judges.


some people are letting this thing run their lives. Even design protocols for them. Which is fully retarded
A.I is brilliant and great to use as a “tool”. Unfortunately and in no means intending towards you but it’s making us not think for ourselves. Elon Musk nailed it in the Joe Rogan podcast suggesting that we are now partially A.I, hard wired to our phones and most thinking is through our phone, not our own thinking. It’s sad but truth is we are accelerating technology in the wrong direction.

Things like diet though, I believe it’s a great tool to help refine and fill in the gaps when you need that final acknowledgment your heading in the right direction with it all.
 
Brother I literally wrote an essay this morning in response @Unitedau & yourself it took hours 😅 but somehow
I managed to delete it accidentally 😭
Basically it was giving credit where credit is due to you both for your conversations open minded thinking, generosity & knowledge
There you go, technology let you down.😊

Thank you so much for the kind words, I enjoy getting involved on the forum because I enjoy engagement and collaboration, it truly unites us and makes us stronger. It’s unfortunate it wasn’t taken to account somewhere else. Where are all here now and happy to call elite my new home.❤️
 
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I’ll look now legend
 
View attachment 169118Almost time to put more meat and potato's on these dumb sticks.

But let's break down some of what I'm running peptide wise.

@Unitedau

I'm running 6iu pre bed if his infamous green top 360iu hgh.

3mg Reta a week at this stage.

Currently also running

2mg mots c fasted daily in the morning.
For those who don't know MOTS-c is basically a metabolic regulator, it activates AMPK, in other words it turns up glucose uptake and fat oxidisation.

And 50mg NAD+ fasted daily basically it helps drive ATP production.

Stacked they work like this
  • MOTS-c says: “we’re under stress, adapt”
  • NAD⁺ says: “here’s the energy + tools to do it”
I do stack these along side other peptides like

Oral
SLUPP332
5amino1mq
Methylene Blue


And I'll be continuing to run them during my upcoming planned 6month cycle with escalations.

Mots c will be going to 4mg daily at some point

Nad will be increased slowly to 100mg daily

I might even push the hgh to 9iu daily and split the dosage 3-6

And SS31 will be brought in towards the end of the cycle
since your using @Unitedau 36iu hgh green tops
may aswell push to 9iu =P
the beauty of 36ius hehe
 
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