This old guys cycle results

[rockabilly]

Stats: 65 years old. 6' tall. 185lbs.Bodyfat % unknown(34"waist). Ectomorph bodytype.
History: Lifting for 41 years(religously). Three previous cycles over last 10-15 years. Four working sets per bodypart,twice a week, 60 seconds rest.(not overtraining IMO).
Cycle: Day 1-4 30mg d-bl.
Week 1-6 Stallion Labs test cyp. 250mg twice a week.
End of first week 4lb.gain. End of second week. another 5lb gain. (I can't see a 9lb water gain from only 4 days d-bol). No gain weeks 3,4,5,6.Did gain 1" on waist from increased calories(clean). So, what's with no gain after 2nd. week?
PCT: HRT (70mg/week patches).
5 squirts Derma. 8 weeks
Unleashed
Myogenx
Lost everything by 8 weeks. Like I said, I'm 65 but that doesn't mean shit to me. Needto says nobody my age is going to keep any gains no matter what their PCT is. I know The Lion does. He keeps about a third. Am I all fucked up here or can anybody help?

 

[samoth]

Interesting. Definitely keep us informed. Not many people your age cycle, so the effects are worth noting (even if only for academic interest to younger people).

I wouldn't think your age in and of itself would dictate whether or not you keep any gains achieved from exogeneous androgens.

The Lion and other older members could probably have some worthwhile words of wisdom and experience here.

 

[Nelson Montana]

A few points.

Someone of your age and lifting experience has such strong muscle memory, it works both ways. After all those years your body simply wants to go to where it's comfortable. You can probably take time off and still hold muscle whereas most men your age would look like shit. But yeah, it's tough to add onto where your body wants to be.

Secondly,. PC T is more to restore the HPTA. How was the libido?

Thirdly, you may need to alter the training if you're really interested in maintaining size. It sounds like you're doing a "pump style" training and that's fine but it won't yield massive muscle gains. Of course, going heavy is precarious once one gets older so you have to be careful.

I'm assuming you gained mostly water from the cycle. You should have used the extra strength to lift heavier. And increased protein intake post cycle. Try that next time with the same PC T and let us know how it works out.

 

[needtogetaas]

Stats: 65 years old. 6' tall. 185lbs.Bodyfat % unknown(34"waist). Ectomorph bodytype.
History: Lifting for 41 years(religously). Three previous cycles over last 10-15 years. Four working sets per bodypart,twice a week, 60 seconds rest.(not overtraining IMO).
Cycle: Day 1-4 30mg d-bl.
Week 1-6 Stallion Labs test testosterone cypionate. 250mg twice a week.
End of first week 4lb.gain. End of second week. another 5lb gain. (I can't see a 9lb water gain from only 4 days Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ). No gain weeks 3,4,5,6.Did gain 1" on waist from increased calories(clean). So, what's with no gain after 2nd. week?
PCT - post cycle therapy - : HRT (70mg/week patches).
5 squirts Derma. 8 weeks
Unleashed
Myogenx
Lost everything by 8 weeks. Like I said, I'm 65 but that doesn't mean shit to me. Needto says nobody my age is going to keep any gains no matter what their PCT is. I know The Lion does. He keeps about a third. Am I all fucked up here or can anybody help?

I did not say no one...but I did say your 64 years old and when you come off cycle and do pct "the pct is going to bring you back to normal test levels for a 64 year old male"and not any higher.so for a 64 year old man how high do you think your normal test levels are...I am thinking not that high.some men at that age still have good test levels but it sounds like you dont
meh what ever.

 

[rockabilly]

I did not say no one...but I did say your 64 years old and when you come off cycle and do PCT - post cycle therapy - "the PCT - post cycle therapy - is going to bring you back to normal test levels for a 64 year old male"and not any higher.so for a 64 year old man how high do you think your normal test levels are...I am thinking not that high.some men at that age still have good test levels but it sounds like you dont
meh what ever.

My libido is always good. Always want to screw everything in sight. My normal test(before HRT) is around 200-300.
My lifts are enough to do 8 reps. I did go heavier as my strength increased.
Again, can't see 9 lbs water if only from 4 days d-bol
Part of the increase in calories was from extra protein.

 

[RADAR]

Stats: 65 years old. 6' tall. 185lbs.Bodyfat % unknown(34"waist). Ectomorph bodytype.
History: Lifting for 41 years(religously). Three previous cycles over last 10-15 years. Four working sets per bodypart,twice a week, 60 seconds rest.(not overtraining IMO).
Cycle: Day 1-4 30mg d-bl.
Week 1-6 Stallion Labs test testosterone cypionate. 250mg twice a week.
End of first week 4lb.gain. End of second week. another 5lb gain. (I can't see a 9lb water gain from only 4 days Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ). No gain weeks 3,4,5,6.Did gain 1" on waist from increased calories(clean). So, what's with no gain after 2nd. week?
PCT - post cycle therapy - : HRT (70mg/week patches).
5 squirts Derma. 8 weeks
Unleashed
Myogenx
Lost everything by 8 weeks. Like I said, I'm 65 but that doesn't mean shit to me. Needto says nobody my age is going to keep any gains no matter what their PCT is. I know The Lion does. He keeps about a third. Am I all fucked up here or can anybody help?

You can hold most of your gains,i said most not all, I'm 56, maybe you are skimping of minor factors, such as training intensity, diet etc, some fail to realize that after a cycle, that going back to a more laid back routine,and slacking on training intensity and less calories are not going to let you keep gains, set a game plan and stick to it.

RADAR

 

[needtogetaas]

You can hold most of your gains,i said most not all, I'm 56, maybe you are skimping of minor factors, such as training intensity, diet etc, some fail to realize that after a cycle, that going back to a more laid back routine,and slacking on training intensity and less calories are not going to let you keep gains, set a game plan and stick to it.

RADAR

this guy^^^^ can help you better bro he has more life experience with what your dealing with then I do..

 

[motoxer125]

you can still put on water weight with test. did you use an AI?
your cycle was only 500mg of test for 6 weeks. test cyp takes about 4 weeks to fully kick in anyway and by that time you were ending your cycle. especially at your age, short cycles arent going to show much results.
your pct was basically going back down to what i can assume is TRT, which isn't a PCT, but thats ok.
I would suggest upping your hrt to 125mg test cyp, a week and see what happens, then maybe upping again to 200mg. (run low ai depending) You will see steady results and keep everything you gain. there really isnt a need to cycle at your age. you are not going to recover and your current trt is so much lower then your cycle dose that you just lose what you've gained.
take what you want from my thoughts
hope this helps

 

[rockabilly]

You can hold most of your gains,i said most not all, I'm 56, maybe you are skimping of minor factors, such as training intensity, diet etc, some fail to realize that after a cycle, that going back to a more laid back routine,and slacking on training intensity and less calories are not going to let you keep gains, set a game plan and stick to it.

RADAR

Workouts, including intensity, did not change post cycle except for some loss of strength. Calories stayed same during PCT.

 

[702daswoll1]

Maybe the gear used later in the cycle was not any good....