This old guys cycle results

[Triple J]

i just do not inderstand why you will not just stay on as in HRT+ no point dealing with the frustration of cycling on and off at your age

 

[rockabilly]

the law of diminishing returns

 

[10001110101]

how much did your strength improve?

the 9 pounds was probably water. if it comes on fast (within days) it has to be water. muscle comes on steadily and evenly (noticeable over a period of weeks).

you probably have an age related deficiency of growth hormones (and/or growth factors) (HGH, IGF-1) that are necessary to build and maintain muscle mass. testosterone and anabolic/androgenic steroids are only one part of the equation. if you dont have an appropriate growth factor response by the rest of your body, you will not grow.

maybe try adding HGH or IGF to your next cycle, or using them alone?

i dunno. seems reasonable.

 

[DannoMight]

stay on a low dose of test like hrt. even if its like 200mgs cyp or enat every week or two. or take some test boosting supps.

 

[rockabilly]

I know test. takes a while to act but I should have gained a little bit in weeks 3,4,5,6 given that 9 lbs. the first 2 weeks was water.

 

[rockabilly]

Guess I didn't really loose anything since I never really gained anything.

 

[needtogetaas]

i just do not inderstand why you will not just stay on as in HRT+ no point dealing with the frustration of cycling on and off at your age

kind of what I was getting at.

 

[artificialaspirations]

kind of what I was getting at.

+1

 

[Bigsir07]

Stats: 65 years old. 6' tall. 185lbs.Bodyfat % unknown(34"waist). Ectomorph bodytype.
History: Lifting for 41 years(religously). Three previous cycles over last 10-15 years. Four working sets per bodypart,twice a week, 60 seconds rest.(not overtraining IMO).
Cycle: Day 1-4 30mg d-bl.
Week 1-6 Stallion Labs test testosterone cypionate. 250mg twice a week.
End of first week 4lb.gain. End of second week. another 5lb gain. (I can't see a 9lb water gain from only 4 days Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ). No gain weeks 3,4,5,6.Did gain 1" on waist from increased calories(clean). So, what's with no gain after 2nd. week?
PCT - post cycle therapy - : HRT (70mg/week patches).
5 squirts Derma. 8 weeks
Unleashed
Myogenx
Lost everything by 8 weeks. Like I said, I'm 65 but that doesn't mean shit to me. Needto says nobody my age is going to keep any gains no matter what their PCT is. I know The Lion does. He keeps about a third. Am I all fucked up here or can anybody help?

One of my first questions would be are you on any other medications. Certain meds like beta blockers for high BP can decrease normal test levels. Also as we age men tend to have higher levels of SHBG (sex hormone Binding globulin). In some cases you will find that SHBG levels will increase as androgens increase. In this case, free testosterone is decreased again and effects are arrested. Those things combined with the fact that you may have higher aromatase levels could all contribute.
Perhaps an AI would help. If you are being followed by an MD for hypogonadism, why not have a free and total testosterone drawn along with and estradiol level is see where you are falling.
The other mentions of training intensity and caloric intake are huge as well. If you planning to get tested again. Try to get the blood drawn right before your next cypionate injection. This will show trough levels which are best. Also, do you know if you have primary or secondary hypogonadism. The first is the failure of the testicles to produce test. Secondary is the failure of the pituitary axis to produce gonadotropins. It is always good to get a Prolactin level checked. If you have a prolactinoma, all the test in the world won't help you make gains long term.
Just curious, who tested you? If it was an internal medicine doctor, most will only check total test and seeing your levels were 200 to 300 I assume that was total. Free levels come in much lower. Did you know that you can have a fine looking total especially at age 65 and have hypogonadism because you don't have a nirmal free test level? Most docs don't know it either.
I'd ask for a free / total test level, estradiol, and prolactin. Also, I hope he is checking you PSA. Good luck!

Bigs

 

[rockabilly]

No beta blockers for BP. Used aromatase during cycle. Don't know if primary or secondary hypogonadism.. How would I find out?
Guess my next step is getting those tests done. Free/total test, estradoil, prolactin. Any others? Thanks Bigs