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Explain to me why HGH would not be good for an injury?

I am not convinced GH is everything that everyone makes out it is.

There are a couple of issues, there are close to 100 different isoforms of GH in the bloodsteam, hGH is cloned, so it will only be one or two of these forms.

It triggers IGF-1 and maybe IGF-2 (sorry can't be bothered to check). IGF-1 does have a wide influence on growth, but there are other growth factors.

If you google growth factors, you will find a huge list of them, these are just a few:



Transforming growth factor beta (TGF-β)
Granulocyte-colony stimulating factor (G-CSF)
Granulocyte-macrophage colony stimulating factor (GM-CSF)
Nerve growth factor (NGF)
Neurotrophins
Platelet-derived growth factor (PDGF)
Erythropoietin (EPO)
Thrombopoietin (TPO)
Myostatin (GDF-8)
Growth differentiation factor-9 (GDF9)
Acidic fibroblast growth factor (aFGF or FGF-1)
Basic fibroblast growth factor (bFGF or FGF-2)
Epidermal growth factor (EGF)
Hepatocyte growth factor (HGF)


As GH is so popular, there is also an issue with quality.
 
I am not convinced GH is everything that everyone makes out it is.

There are a couple of issues, there are close to 100 different isoforms of GH in the bloodsteam, hGH is cloned, so it will only be one or two of these forms.

It triggers IGF-1 and maybe IGF-2 (sorry can't be bothered to check). IGF-1 does have a wide influence on growth, but there are other growth factors.

If you google growth factors, you will find a huge list of them, these are just a few:



Transforming growth factor beta (TGF-β)
Granulocyte-colony stimulating factor (G-CSF)
Granulocyte-macrophage colony stimulating factor (GM-CSF)
Nerve growth factor (NGF)
Neurotrophins
Platelet-derived growth factor (PDGF)
Erythropoietin (EPO)
Thrombopoietin (TPO)
Myostatin (GDF-8)
Growth differentiation factor-9 (GDF9)
Acidic fibroblast growth factor (aFGF or FGF-1)
Basic fibroblast growth factor (bFGF or FGF-2)
Epidermal growth factor (EGF)
Hepatocyte growth factor (HGF)


As GH is so popular, there is also an issue with quality.

Ta has a vagina. Its a nice one too. Good post btw
 
I thought it was ok to talk about the way a mod does his job. I am now perma banned and I will never be coming back to the site. Fuck I should have remembered I was on the aas/training forum where they don't take any of my childish shit. If I had a complaint I should have taken it to admin,a mod in a pm,or called the help desk. I was a dumb ass though and I thought it would be cool to cause trouble and disrupt the forum.

I guess needto and the rest of the mods run a tight ship and take no shit.

Pwnd!
 
hey, sweet plug! now i'll never buy one of your products.


LOL! Nelson, I really like you man. But seriously, your repeated plugs of UNLEASHED and Big Blast are so in your face that it reminds me of a pushy car salesman. Hmm, why is he so anxious to get me to buy this car? Because it sucks and he wants it off his lot! JK. But seriously it would be nice to hear an opinion once in a while that was based solely on the reason you dislike other drugs w/o forcing comparison of one of your own.

Your products may actually be the shit, I haven't tried them so I can't say. Know why I haven't tried them? Because CLOMID WORKS, I have 0% side effects and I recover quickly and easily every single time. Now if you don't tolerate it well that is one thing, and you should then advertise your stuff as an alternative. But when you put down a chemical that is tried and true and say that yours is simply better than I hate to say but that destroys credibility.

As far as things like deca goes, you are right about it being suppressive. But many people including myself have used it with great success and minimal sides. Plus it has additional benefits such as joint relief etc. that most other steroids cannot offer. So it has its place, just in more moderate doses than you'd run other long esters.

And I fully understand why you don't like insulin. It's not a beginner or even an intermediate thing to use in bodybuilding. But are you SERIOUSLY going to say that BIG BLAST boosts slin levels the same as injecting insulin? I mean, would the top pros be the same as they are now by simply using big blast? I do love Protein Factory stuff, but this is a very bold (and dumb) claim.

I'd type more but I'm tired.
 
It seems almost anti-message board to dismiss some the things people spend time discussing, but in all my years in the sport I've come to realize there are some substances that either don't have merit, aren't as good as once believed, or have been replaced with something better. So my question is; Why still use them?

Here is my list of things you do not need.

Nolvadex:

This was the brainchild of Dan Duchaine. He was thr first to realizr that if steroids convert to estrogen, use an anti estrogen! It prevented gyno in guys who were using high dosages of dbol. Very smart, But nolva isn't the greatest anti e. It lowers IGF. Destroys HDL and oblitarates libido in most guys. In short, it sucks. Even Dan admitted it didn't work all that well and there were better choices. This was in 1998. 10 years later, people still use it. And in 99% of the cases it does nothing.

Deca:

Another good idea that just doesn't pan out. By being a NOR androgen they thought they could circumvent the androgenic side effects of steroids, but the concept backfired. It is MORE suppressive than straight testosterone. It also bloats every bit as much as testosterone and the bloat comes from an increase in progesterone, not prolactin -- making dosinex useless to combat the bloat and impotence. (Though people keep trying).

Clenbuterol:

How a stimlant, which is catabolic became known as an anti catabolic is beyond me. The effects of Clen are very short lived and the sides are horrible. OTC stims are just as good at fat loss, but using stims for fat loss isn;t the best idea. Most OTC are the same but I have to give a shout to Omega's Lipoflame. It kicks ass and sicne the ingredients of most products are the same, you might as well get something that's a good price and supports the site.

Insulin:

Want to increase insulin after a workout? Drink a jug of Gatordade! Vanadyl sulfate increases insulin as well. And I'll go on the record as saying taking a BIG BLAST after each workout will work as well, if not better. And it won't kill you if you take too much.


Clomid:

Oh, how I hate this shit. I also love how people say it increases seninal volume. Pure rumor, myth and wishful thinking. It LOWERS it. It effects mood, causes depression, can impair sight, cause cancer and in some guys like myself, completely kill libido. This is a drug that was never intended for men. It is an estrogen. Chances are , if it "worked" for you, it was IN SPITE of using it, not because of it. Clomid seems to be benificial in about 20% of the people using it and disastrous in the rest. Today, with products like Alpha Sustain and POST CYCLE as well as superior anti e's like arimidex and aromasan, taking Clomid is like using a rotary phone. There's really no point.

Proviron:

I love Proviron. But UNLEASHED is so damn close to it and it's non supressive and non toxic, I really can't justify using Proviron for the anti SHBG effects.

T3:

It's nuts to use this stuff to burn fat. It will only suppress your thyroid and the 5 pounds you lose will quickly come back and you run the risk of having a sub par thyroid the rest of your life. Don't be an asshole! Use ZIP to hype the tyroid safely.

Growth Hormone:

The most overrated compound in bodybuilding. Sure, if you're a pro and need that extra 2%, you have to use it. But compare the results you'd get from $100 of GH to $100 of testosterone. No contest. GH also is far more dangerous than many are willing to accept. Bodybuilding dosages put you at the risk of many cancers. No worth it. You want GH? Squat and sleep!

Anavar:

First of all, there's nothing var dos that primo doesn't do better. Secondly, I'd stack 25 mgs a day of dbol against 50 mgs of var and the dbol wins. Sure, you get some bloat but a little DEFINITION takes care of that as long as you work up a sweat in your workouts. Besides, a little bloat increases size and strength. Var is weak, overpriced and overrated. There are better options -- mainly, almost any other oral.

Dostinex:

I'm not saying this is NEVER needed but it's need a lot less often than people think. Before you use Dos, CHECK YOUR PROLACTIN LEVEL:S. Don't assume. It has serious side effects. And Mucana Purians lowers prolactin naturally pretty well as does zinc, Vit E and B6.

HCG:

I've never been impressed with HCG but it had its place. It never really "cured" anything but it does give the HPTA a little jump start which helps in recovery. The problem is , people think it actually helps restore the HPTA, which it does not. Also, we've all heard about "Ledig sensitization" though no one can gauge it. After using HCG only once every other month for 2 years I have to say, it seems to do nothing anymore. HMG is the shit. Instead of mimicking LH, it actually increases it, getting the body to work in a more natural manner. It can be used to take a break from gear, as a recovery agent and as an adjunct to HRT. It also is the most powerful sex stimulant on the planet.


That's it bros. Add your own if you like. And although there may be some who will disagree at first, it will become evident that this list is accurate. These are obsolete compounds. It's time to move into the 21st century of anabolic enhancement. That means becoming aware of better products, better techniques, and most importantly, letting go of outdated thinking.

ur insane hgh is prolly one of the best drugs ever created...and if you have a good source for it its not even expensive at all anymore....the stuff completely transformed my body.....also i have no idea why everyone hates deca its a great drug
 
I thought I was clear but I guess some people misunderstood what I was trying to say.

As for HCG, I merely said that there is a better option. That's the truth. I never said it didn't work or you shouldn't use it. Just that there's a better option. I can't be any clearer.

I give plenty of opinions that have nothing to do with my products.

I promote them because A: They're good. And B: I can;t afford 3 page ads in the magazines. I don;t know about anyone else, but I used a product that worked well, I wouldn't be complaining that it's being advertised. I'd be thankful.

And lastly, everyone has to stop comparing themselves to pros. You're not even close! At that level they'd take rat poison if they thought it might give them an extra ounce. And let's face it, these days aesthetics don't even matter in competitions. It's all about size, and yes, insulin will give size, but not much. YES YOU CAN GROW JUST AS MUCH ON BIG BLAST BECAUSE YOU"RE NOT 320 POUNDS WITH 4% BODY FAT!!! Once you get to that level, fine, do insulin to get to 330 pounds.

And one more thing, BIG BLAST has more IGF-1 than anything on the market. Pros don't need that. But you do.
 
Insulin is so easy to manipulate naturally I really don't get why people would use it.

I think the worst thing with insulin is that too many use it to get big and end up getting fat.

Truer words have not been said. Insulin latches on to glucose. It will either shutle it into a mucle cell or a fat cell. And there is really no way to control waht cell it goes to.

This is why type 2 diabetics, insulin resistant, get so fat. The insulin can't get into the muscle cells so it all goes into the fat cells. The muscles are starving and the fat is getting fatter.
 
This may be a stupid question and Im probably going to realize the answer when I see it.

Whats HMG?

HMG - Human Menopausal Gonadotropin

Human menopausal gonadotropin contain both LH (luteinizing hormone) and FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and is considered a superior treatment to just HCG which only contains a hormone to mimic LH andf both would be used for PCT or on cycle therapy to halt testes atrophy.
 
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