Things You Don't Need

[Chrisco915]

I'm not saying HCG doesn't work. Up to this point it's been necessary and I use and recommend it every time. But HMG is simply a better option.

It maybe was unfair to put HCG in this group since it is effective, but I think as more people use HMG, they'll be saying goodbye to HCG.

Do you think that is true of he HRT clinics? After reading this I called a few to see if HMG was an option instead of HCG and they didn't even know what it was.

 

[aquatic_glories]

Insulin is so easy to manipulate naturally I really don't get why people would use it.

Even though I hear many say the risks are over-rated, really, it is a pro-BBer drug IMHO, and high levels of insulin are linked to so many diseases as of late.

I think the worst thing with insulin is that too many use it to get big and end up getting fat.

Also we should note that most people use slin in idiotic dosages, that's the main reason..

 

[ryno9000]

I thought I was clear but I guess some people misunderstood what I was trying to say.

As for HCG, I merely said that there is a better option. That's the truth. I never said it didn't work or you shouldn't use it. Just that there's a better option. I can't be any clearer.

Nelson...it's not clear because look at the title of your post. THINGS YOU DON'T NEED! Maybe if you titled it "Drugs That Have Better Alternatives" People would not get so up in arms. And yes, I did read your post and yes even under the new title I would still disagree about clomid and several others.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Do you think that is true of he HRT clinics? After reading this I called a few to see if HMG was an option instead of HCG and they didn't even know what it was.

Most of those so called "clinics" are jokes -- just dentists and such who can write scripts and do do for everything they can get away with at a hefty profit. I'm not surprised they don't know about HMG, but they will soon enough.

 

[needtogetaas]

LOL! Nelson, I really like you man. But seriously, your repeated plugs of UNLEASHED and Big Blast are so in your face that it reminds me of a pushy car salesman. Hmm, why is he so anxious to get me to buy this car? Because it sucks and he wants it off his lot! JK. But seriously it would be nice to hear an opinion once in a while that was based solely on the reason you dislike other drugs w/o forcing comparison of one of your own.

Your products may actually be the shit, I haven't tried them so I can't say. Know why I haven't tried them? Because CLOMID WORKS, I have 0% side effects and I recover quickly and easily every single time. Now if you don't tolerate it well that is one thing, and you should then advertise your stuff as an alternative. But when you put down a chemical that is tried and true and say that yours is simply better than I hate to say but that destroys credibility.
I am sorry but I have more credibility then anyone on this board and I will outright say it myself I feel products like unleashed,sustain alpha test recovery stack are way better then clomid or nolva for pct. Or at least adding then in with the clomid/nolva is a way better pct.
As far as things like deca goes, you are right about it being suppressive. But many people including myself have used it with great success and minimal sides. Plus it has additional benefits such as joint relief etc. that most other steroids cannot offer. So it has its place, just in more moderate doses than you'd run other long esters.

And I fully understand why you don't like insulin. It's not a beginner or even an intermediate thing to use in bodybuilding. But are you SERIOUSLY going to say that BIG BLAST boosts slin levels the same as injecting insulin? I mean, would the top pros be the same as they are now by simply using big blast? I do love Protein Factory stuff, but this is a very bold (and dumb) claim.

I'd type more but I'm tired.

Meh

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson...it's not clear because look at the title of your post. THINGS YOU DON'T NEED! Maybe if you titled it "Drugs That Have Better Alternatives" People would not get so up in arms. And yes, I did read your post and yes even under the new title I would still disagree about clomid and several others.

So people are "up in arms" because the title should have been a little less provocative.

Touchy, bunch, ain't they?

I stand by all the claims. Even if Clomid works for you, you don't really need it.

 

[heavyset04]

That's fine, but I think whoever wrote that is wrong. Nolva raise T 150%? I say bullshit. If that were true, Nolva would be used for HRT. MAybe if your T is 100, it may get it to 250, but time will do that anyway.

Also, if it raise T so much why do so many guys lose their sex drive while on it?

just learned in my neuropsychology class that testosterone doesnt plau a role in sex drive for males, ie high test doesnt mean the person will have a high sex drive.. one of the points that was made was that orchidectomies were performed on sex offenders to lower their sex drives and they little or no effect.. just thought id throw that out there, never used gear so i cant really say much more

 

[ryno9000]

So people are "up in arms" because the title should have been a little less provocative.

Touchy, bunch, ain't they?

I stand by all the claims. Even if Clomid works for you, you don't really need it.

meh.

 

[Nelson Montana]

just learned in my neuropsychology class that testosterone doesnt plau a role in sex drive for males, ie high test doesnt mean the person will have a high sex drive.. one of the points that was made was that orchidectomies were performed on sex offenders to lower their sex drives and they little or no effect.. just thought id throw that out there, never used gear so i cant really say much more

Testosterone is indeed a factor in libido but not the SOLE factor.

Your neuropsychology professor should be smart enough to realize that sex crimes are not a result of excessive desire but are acts of violence, which are actually more likely in those with LOW testosterone.

 

[lartinos]

I am not convinced GH is everything that everyone makes out it is.

There are a couple of issues, there are close to 100 different isoforms of GH in the bloodsteam, hGH is cloned, so it will only be one or two of these forms.

It triggers IGF-1 and maybe IGF-2 (sorry can't be bothered to check). IGF-1 does have a wide influence on growth, but there are other growth factors.

If you google growth factors, you will find a huge list of them, these are just a few:



Transforming growth factor beta (TGF-β)
Granulocyte-colony stimulating factor (G-CSF)
Granulocyte-macrophage colony stimulating factor (GM-CSF)
Nerve growth factor (NGF)
Neurotrophins
Platelet-derived growth factor (PDGF)
Erythropoietin (EPO)
Thrombopoietin (TPO)
Myostatin (GDF-8)
Growth differentiation factor-9 (GDF9)
Acidic fibroblast growth factor (aFGF or FGF-1)
Basic fibroblast growth factor (bFGF or FGF-2)
Epidermal growth factor (EGF)
Hepatocyte growth factor (HGF)


As GH is so popular, there is also an issue with quality.

Its good for injuries, but expecially post cycle. Igf-1 by itself is just as good if nit better post cycle. I speak from experience, there arev studies to back up igf-1 as well.