The Vick Case

[Smurfy]

I wonder how Lestat felt about Paris being jailed for all those days.

 

[cboogsrun]

hanging is acceptable for humans, why not for animals?

same with eletrocution.

Drowning isn't so human, but doesn't exactly promote suffering, how long does it take to become unconscious? a minute?

Not the brightest analogy bro. Humans hang other humans for doing murdering humans. Humans put 2 dogs who are bred and trained to kill each other. When an owner loses and kills the dog cause he lost money, that is pretty cruel. Animal cruelty is also one of the characteristics of a socialpath. Your comparing apples to oranges.

 

[jh1]

Where's Gambino to drop some drive by posts


My boy'd be all piz'ed about this....

 

[mountain muscle]

i say never let him own any animal again, and give him mandatory counseling and therapy sessions. and MAYBE fine 500,000 to a mil and make him donate it to a dog shelter or some shit.

not letting him play football (basically taking away his source of income which i thought was illegal anyway) or giving him time is bullshit.

also the people who say they dont care about people getting murdered cause people suck, but when an innocent animal gets hurt then its fucked up, are idiots, there i said it, morons.

Didn't they take away Imus' income because he said a few words that people didn't like to hear?

Vick was bankrolling these fights with money from football.

 

[BigRupe]

I am a big time hunter. I actually do a TV show about hunting, but hunting for food and to control a population is NOT the same as forcing two animals to fight then cruelly beating the loser to death with a baseball bat or electrocting it or drowning it.

Second it is NOT legal to just wound an animal. Hunters that do this feel sick over the loss. The goal of a hunter is a quick clean painless death and we EAT the meat so there is a purpose.

I agree 10000% that far too many people would step over an abused child to save a dumb animal.

For me a human is far superior. Like the story goes if someone told me I had to kill every GERBIL in the world to find a cure for AIDS to save childrens then I'd do it in a heart beat. Even if it would piss off Richard Gere

Lastly Vick is not being made an example of they are charging him under the current law and current penalties. Nothing new was made up just for Vick and I am actually more mad at Vick for giving the animal rights extremist a platform to raise money and fool the gullible than I am about what he did;

Once again I am shocked by not only our country, but the people of EF.

Do you people here really think Vick did something so heinous he needs to spend time in Prison?

How many of you are hunters? How many of you eat beef? How many of you setup mouse traps?

What Vick did is WRONG. I am NOT an advocate for the legalization of dog fighting. I support laws that enforce the human treatment of animals.

BUT, I am sick of the double standard. Vick is being made an example of.

He should have his breeder license revoked. He should NEVER be allowed to sell dogs. He shouldn't be able to own more than 2 or so dogs at a time.

But to serve HARD time for his crime? Who exactly are the victims?

I've been hunting before, and luckily I've never killed while on a hunt myself, but I went on 2 hunts and learned quickly that it was NOT my thing.

HOWEVER, it is perfectly legal! You can shoot a deer, wounding it, having it limp through a forest in pain, and die over the course of a few days, but that is legal!

You can go get a job at a slaughter house, where you run a bolt into a cow's brain all day long and get PAID for it.

Jewish people can cut the foreskin from a living 8 day old baby with NO pain medication, and that is legal, protected, and CELEBRATED.

But Vick can't kill his own animals, on his OWN property, without going to prison?

No one else sees any problem with this? I kill animals near daily. Yesterday I sprayed some flies with insecticide and watched them fly disorented and twitch until they died. I also used my foot to smash a living spider until it died. Will I be thrown in prison for that one day as well just because a bunch of people think its mean and inhumane?

Seriously. Vick is a fool for being involved in this at all and should have some penalty, but if an attempted child molester can get probation, why can't Vick?

 

[Raptorex]

I can't believe you Tards get yourself worked up over Lestats posts...bwahahahahah

Ask God back for you 5 minutes back...lolololol

 

[puddlemonkey]

Like the story goes if someone told me I had to kill every monkey in the world to find a cure for AIDS to save childrens then I'd do it in a heart beat.

 

[Raptorex]

LOL, PuddleMonkey pwned

 

[puddlemonkey]

I can't believe I stopped playing Madden for this. You guys disappoint, I expected lestat to put in his C&C resignation by post #200, or at least finally change that damn avatar.

 

[BigRupe]

I Like the story goes if someone told me I had to kill every GERBIL in the world to find a cure for AIDS to save childrens then I'd do it in a heart beat. Even if it would piss off Richard Gere

FIXED for Puddle Monkey

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

found this on the net

Is that seriously the same dog?!

 

[Powerbuilder333]

hanging is acceptable for humans, why not for animals?

same with eletrocution.

Drowning isn't so human, but doesn't exactly promote suffering, how long does it take to become unconscious? a minute?

Human and humane are two different words you sick fuck!
If you don't know right from wrong by now, you're beyond redemption.
Burn in HELL you dog hating cocksucker!!!

 

[jh1]

Human and humane are two different words you sick fuck!
If you don't know right from wrong by now, you're beyond redemption.
Burn in HELL you dog hating cocksucker!!!

Dang...

 

[Phaded]

Human and humane are two different words you sick fuck!
If you don't know right from wrong by now, you're beyond redemption.
Burn in HELL you dog hating cocksucker!!!

pbuilder for mod

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

This was not 40 guys hanging out for casino night in someone's house. They tortured animals and forced them to fight to the death.

What do you think you would feel like if Phaded and I grabbed you by the throat and stuffed your face in a tub of water until you stopped breathing. I've actually seen a dog fall off my boat and go into a panic seizure while in about 10 feet of water.



It's never for "sport" unless it's on a private game reserve. Hunting is to maintain wild animal populations. Hell...the moose here in Maine sometimes breed in crazy numbers. Although...I'd like to kill off some of the people around to "cultivate" the inbreeders. I'm all for hunting people for sport...but people would get upset at that idea too. Coming from someone who sees deer, moose, ungodly amounts of wild turkeys....hunting is needed sometimes to guarantee healthy herds.



Like failure to pay parking tickets? The punishment is to scare other people into not wanting to act the same way. What would a monetary fine and probation teach Mike Vick?



Because you can take the fools out of the ghetto but you can never take the ghetto out of the fools. He could have purchased old casino equipment and run an illegal gambling operation in his house. Cards, craps, slots, betting on sports. What he did was pretty sick. He could have hired a vet to euthanize any dogs...no questions asked.




Absofriggenlutely he does. There's a difference between making a mistake and intentionally doing what he did. He's a thug with amazing football skills. There are millions of people in the U.S. who could use a break like Mike was given for years and they would never pull this horseshit.



Makes me feel like those guys should stick to their marriage vows or not get married. Don't fuck around if you're not ready to stop.



Don't break the law and you have nothing to worry about.



My friends at Las Vegas Sands have the Singapore gaming license and I've been to Sentosa Island many times. Singapore is amazing, no trash anywhere, they recycle everything, and they have their shit together. $75 fine for spitting on the sidewalk. How do I feel about Singapore? Don't be a prick and intentionally break the law. Grow up, be a fucking responsible adult, and if you intentionally break the law, be prepared to face your punishment. There's no dipshit gangbangers, grafitti, or trash in Singapore....and places like Newark, Houston, Compton, Detroit, Richmond, and Hartford would no longer be armpits of their States if they learned a lesson from Singapore....



Oh noo....I should be able to steal and only get a monetary fine. Hey...my Dad saw a guy get his skull split with an axe for killing another families goats...moral of the story....don't kill my fucking food supply. I saw three Navy Seals drill a Taliban with a 50 cal rifle...and all because he was wearing Taliban clothing and carrying an AK-47




18 months is not piling on.......15 years would have been excessive. His gambling ring borders on what Mobsters pull.



When you reach strike two, maybe it's time to grow up.

No use. Far left mentality will never understand. They'll deny all of your rebuttals saying you're the one who's "sick" and "inhumane." And they're in the majority in the U.S.....which is why a lot of bs is overlooked here and just considered "normal", par for the course. Some standards we have.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

and my final wish for tonight... I just wish people in the world cared about human life 1/10th of what EF C&C posters cared about canine life.

Does human life such as Michael Vick deserve 1/10th of that care? This is the problem. People put human life above all else, no matter how disgusting some specimen happen to be. It is imperative to remember that people are capable of causing far more damage in the world in far more numerous ways than any animal. How about they take some social responsibility so we have a fucking reason to care for them???

 

[Lestat]

I am Maximus.

Lestat is Commodus.

EF is the mob.

You owe me 1 million K.

recognize! check the time stamp too.

 

[Lestat]

Wow so now Michael Vick is a disgusting human being?

You guys do know he had a dog fighting thing going on right? Not kiddie porn (like R kelly, who incendentally has done NO time)

He didn't rape anyone. Didn't kidnap anyone. Didn't murder.

So you are all judge and jury? He did some fucked up shit to dogs. What do you think the appropriate penalty is. Forget statutes and precedents, what do YOU personally feel the penalty for orchestrating and breeding dogs for fighting should be?

Dont' get spoon fed by the TV. I just watched 10 minutes of TV on this, on TWO different channels and both of them had women condeming vick and some terrible person for all this poor misery he put some dogs though.

I honestly didn't see people this emotional about Saddam Hussein and he killed thousands of real humans!

 

[ceo]

you really think people should go to prison for killing dogs?

If I come kill your dog will you call the cops on me?

 

[layinback]

Wow so now Michael Vick is a disgusting human being?

You guys do know he had a dog fighting thing going on right? Not kiddie porn (like R kelly, who incendentally has done NO time)

He didn't rape anyone. Didn't kidnap anyone. Didn't murder.

So you are all judge and jury? He did some fucked up shit to dogs. What do you think the appropriate penalty is. Forget statutes and precedents, what do YOU personally feel the penalty for orchestrating and breeding dogs for fighting should be?

Dont' get spoon fed by the TV. I just watched 10 minutes of TV on this, on TWO different channels and both of them had women condeming vick and some terrible person for all this poor misery he put some dogs though.

I honestly didn't see people this emotional about Saddam Hussein and he killed thousands of real humans!

honestly, five minutes with me. give me 5 minutes with mr vick......he wouldnt think about hurting another animal. we could argue moral relativism all day long and we would get no where.......just read this thread. however, i do know how this story makes me FEEL. he should pick on someone who can fight back, like me. people that hurt animals are bullies and this cant be argued. bullies are cowards.

 

[Lestat]

honestly, five minutes with me. give me 5 minutes with mr vick......he wouldnt think about hurting another animal. we could argue moral relativism all day long and we would get no where.......just read this thread. however, i do know how this story makes me FEEL. he should pick on someone who can fight back, like me. people that hurt animals are bullies and this cant be argued. bullies are cowards.

So you are saying that physical violence against another human is justified if this person is harming another animal? Does it matter the type of animal, or just any that you really care about or like? What if the person owns the animal, you can still assault them or no?

 

[Lestat]

I wonder how Lestat felt about Paris being jailed for all those days.

I felt she totally deserved it.

 

[Lestat]

If I come kill your dog will you call the cops on me?

yes.

I love dogs, grew up with them, and will one day own a pair of Rotties myself. Will not be trained to be aggressive or exploit their protective nature.

 

[layinback]

So you are saying that physical violence against another human is justified if this person is harming another animal? Does it matter the type of animal, or just any that you really care about or like? What if the person owns the animal, you can still assault them or no?

i am darwinian so i am very objective concerning "fitness" and its ancillaries. domestic animals are akin to children, very reliant on us. NO sentient being should be abused. what he did was wrong and cant be justified. as far as his punishment, i dont know. i only know how it makes me feel......ANGRY! i have been in prison and have confronted bullies. a peculiar personality type, bullies. boilerplate fuckers.... absolutely will not fight anybody or anything that will fight back. most bullies share "animal abuse" histories. not all sociopaths abuse animals, only a very sick subtype. trust me lestat, you would not want to spend any quality time with this fucker. morality is a tricky arm of philosophy and formal arguments are lengthy and time consuming. we could toss around examples all night. i know how this makes me feel and it aint good.

 

[Lestat]

i am darwinian so i am very objective concerning "fitness" and its ancillaries. domestic animals are akin to children, very reliant on us. NO sentient being should be abused. what he did was wrong and cant be justified. as far as his punishment, i dont know. i only know how it makes me feel......ANGRY! i have been in prison and have confronted bullies. a peculiar personality type, bullies. boilerplate fuckers.... absolutely will not fight anybody or anything that will fight back. most bullies share "animal abuse" histories. not all sociopaths abuse animals, only a very sick subtype. trust me lestat, you would not want to spend any quality time with this fucker. morality is a tricky arm of philosophy and formal arguments are lengthy and time consuming. we could toss around examples all night. i know how this makes me feel and it aint good.

I understand how it makes you feel, I feel angry about what he did as well.

I still think at the end of the day though, it was only dogs. And I love dogs. But this is Vick's life, and millions of dollars. Over some dogs?

I think he saw it as sport, just as a hunter views a hunt as sport. ITS NOT A SPORT AND SHOULD BE BANNED. But Vick saw it as a sport, nothing more, I wouldn't read into it any more than that.

 

[layinback]

btw, animals do not possess qualities such as "good" and "bad". ergo they do not need to be punished. man, on the other hand, cursed with consciousness, own these in spades and with that ownership comes responsibility and consequences.( sorry couldnt help but get a little philosophical.)

 

[Lestat]

btw, animals do not possess qualities such as "good" and "bad". ergo they do not need to be punished. man, on the other hand, cursed with consciousness, own these in spades and with that ownership comes responsibility and consequences.( sorry couldnt help but get a little philosophical.)

i agree with you there bro.

punishing and rewarding animals is done primarly to train. To reinfoce desireable (good) behaviors your reward, to eliminate unwanted behavior (bad) you negatively reinforce or punish. Personally I NEVER use violence against a domesticated animal to train, and I wouldn't againt any human children either, they lack the same sort of reasoning that dogs do. It grows as the brain matures.

I'd say animals are conscious though, all of them, including humans. Different ones have different levels of pain they can feel due to how complicated their brains are. I believe dogs experience consciousness in a way very similar to humans on the most basic levels, but lack higher reasoning.

 

[FISHTALES]

steroids are illeagal

 

[Lestat]

steroids are illeagal

haha yeah no shit, hypocrisy alert! I bet a lot of people on here beat their kids too, but fuck, gotta throw Vick in jail for fucking up a dog!

 

[layinback]

I understand how it makes you feel, I feel angry about what he did as well.

I still think at the end of the day though, it was only dogs. And I love dogs. But this is Vick's life, and millions of dollars. Over some dogs?

I think he saw it as sport, just as a hunter views a hunt as sport. ITS NOT A SPORT AND SHOULD BE BANNED. But Vick saw it as a sport, nothing more, I wouldn't read into it any more than that.

reductio ad absurdum: i love old ppl with organic damage. these folk no longer serve any purpose and they cost money.....lets givem hatchets and place our bets. (the ambulatory ones of course) lol. vick should have thought of that beforehand. dog fighting is a felony and is repulsive to most. btw, its terrible pr for a pro ballplayer and not good for ones career in general. he has some consequences and the 24 hr cable news are milkin it for what its worth. hey, they got bills to pay. i just like to give him a good ole fashion aikido wake up call. trust me that all he needs....gave out a few of those in my time and it straightened up some otherwise hardheaded bullies. and yes , sometimes violence is needed...even begged for.

 

[ceo]

yes.

I love dogs, grew up with them, and will one day own a pair of Rotties myself. Will not be trained to be aggressive or exploit their protective nature.

as has been said here, the dog fighting and accompanying pictures, etc. is what gets the public so very disturbed over this. The real charges that carry the prison time are all the money related charges. The rest is just media hype.

The people who do this on a much MUCH smaller scale don't get prison time until after multiple offenses. Watch Animal Planet's, "Animal Cops" (in whatever city) series sometime.

I think someone should've just killed him and kept all this out of the courts, etc. What a waste of money. No matter how talented he is, he is an ass and he broke many laws. And OJ did it, and Michael Jackson touched those kids inappropriately.

 

[layinback]

steroids are illeagal

and if i get caught i will face the music. i will not snitch i will not cry about it i will go do my time like i did in the past and btw i am not hurting anyone but myself. and i am libertarian so its justified. lol.

 

[Lestat]

as has been said here, the dog fighting and accompanying pictures, etc. is what gets the public so very disturbed over this. The real charges that carry the prison time are all the money related charges. The rest is just media hype.

The people who do this on a much MUCH smaller scale don't get prison time until after multiple offenses. Watch Animal Planet's, "Animal Cops" (in whatever city) series sometime.

I think someone should've just killed him and kept all this out of the courts, etc. What a waste of money. No matter how talented he is, he is an ass and he broke many laws. And OJ did it, and Michael Jackson touched those kids inappropriately.

OJ and Jackson walked and I think what they did was far worse.

 

[Phaded]

lol @ lestat thinking vick shouldn't serve time for breaking laws.. ok mr president.. lets all bow down and worship mr lestat cause he's always right and lives the perfect life on the beach with foldaway furniture in his apartment.

 

[patsfan1379]

recognize! check the time stamp too.

Recognize what nigga. The top K is from me because I pwned you so bad. Mercy K I call it... Needto gets it all the time. The rest you blacked out, probably from alters and besides I fucking get you beat my K hits far exceeded yours.

So man up and pay up you pussy motherfucker.

Where is my 1 million K bitch?

You man enough to back up your mouth or are you a pussy?

 

[jh1]

Wow so now Michael Vick is a disgusting human being?

Yes.

So you are all judge and jury?

In fact we are, judges are citizens / peers in real life. Juries are your community peers.


Look man. You keep saying it's purely emotional.

It is partialy. We make laws against behavior we don't like partly because of the emotional toll it takes. For example - homicide - all in all without emotion, it's just one more human being, not much different than a cockaroach being stomped out. But the fact is, that human being dying can take a huge emotional toll on so many peoples lives that they may never fully recover from.

That's our society, that's our laws, that's the way it works.

How old are you?

 

[gotmilk]

Not the brightest analogy bro. Humans hang other humans for doing murdering humans.

Actually, the U.S. stopped hanging people because it was deemed torture and excessive. The same reason the U.S. stopped using gas chambers too.

 

[gotmilk]

(like R kelly, who incendentally has done NO time)

Why would he do time when his court date starts on September 17th? Do you understand how a grand jury works? They have identified 14 girls he had sex with all under the age of 14....not counting Aliyah, who obviously cannot testify in this case for obvious reasons.

He didn't rape anyone. Didn't kidnap anyone. Didn't murder.

No, he had sex with a 13 year old, taped it, and tried to pay off her family in exchange for her not testifying. Now, he's facing 14 counts including possible witness tampering and RICO charges. Not counting possible perjury charges when he lied to the first grand jury by claiming it was a computer generated picture of him.

Forget statutes and precedents,

Statutes and actual case law are why people like you and I obey the law. Don't do the crime if you cannot handle the time. This is also why we have Federal and State Statutes, to seperate legal issues depending on how severe problems are in certain areas. In LA, Paris gets like a small fine for her first DUI. In Maine, she would have received 48 hours in jail, 90 day license suspension, and about $750 in fines.

I honestly didn't see people this emotional about Saddam Hussein and he killed thousands of real humans!

Try going to Iraq and asking people about Saddam.

 

[patsfan1379]

Why would he do time when his court date starts on September 17th? Do you understand how a grand jury works? They have identified 14 girls he had sex with all under the age of 14....not counting Aliyah, who obviously cannot testify in this case for obvious reasons.



No, he had sex with a 13 year old, taped it, and tried to pay off her family in exchange for her not testifying. Now, he's facing 14 counts including possible witness tampering and RICO charges. Not counting possible perjury charges when he lied to the first grand jury by cliaming it was a computer generated picture of him.



Statutes and actual case law are why people like you and I obey the law. Don't do the crime if you cannot handle the time. This is also why we have Federal and State Statutes, to seperate legal issues depending on how severe problems are in certain areas. In LA, Paris gets like a small fine for her first DUI. In Maine, she would have received 48 hours in jail, 90 day license suspension, and about $750 in fines.



Try going to Iraq and asking people about Saddam.

Wow lol. pwnd

 

[gotmilk]

OJ and Jackson walked and I think what they did was far worse.

OJ and MJ decided to go to trial versus copping a plea.

 

[Lestat]

Bull fucking shit on people besides subz or another dropping you greenbombs.

Show me a screenshot.

You owe me a million K bro.

You called bullshit on me, said I didn't get K from anyone besides "subz or another"

I clearly proved to you that someone other did.

Are you going to pay up or bitch out?

 

[patsfan1379]

OMG you've got to be kidding me.

 

[Lestat]

OMG you've got to be kidding me.

why? you are the one to went to great lengths to prove something that I could give a shit about.

You called bullshit on me, I proved you wrong. Its that simple, why wouldn't you man up?

 

[patsfan1379]

unblank the names on your screenshot

 

[Lestat]

unblank the names on your screenshot

that has no bearing on the bullshit called or "bet." I showed you one person, who wasn't subz or "the other"

 

[Lestat]

Bull fucking shit on people besides subz or another dropping you greenbombs.

Show me a screenshot.

Here is the screen shot
http://i19.tinypic.com/6755u88.jpg

do you plan on making good on your word, or bitching out?

 

[patsfan1379]

doucheknuckle

OK, you left Fez as your other... Here is Fez's response to that...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7579428-post19.html

 

[billfred]

Here is the screen shot
http://i19.tinypic.com/6755u88.jpg

do you plan on making good on your word, or bitching out?

Lestat - Even though I don't really agree with you on this issue, I still think you are a good bro and don't feel the need to call you out?

 

[Faizakafez]

I just checked.. I hit Pick3 with karma in that thread... so i obivously was karma whoring..

i hit jh1 and pats in that thread because i agree with them

 

[Lestat]

your motive for giving me k doesn't matter, you could say you meant to give me red and it still wouldn't matter, fact is I got green from people other than subz and the other and that was what patsfan was calling bullshit on.

 

[Faizakafez]

your motive for giving me k doesn't matter, you could say you meant to give me red and it still wouldn't matter, fact is I got green from people other than subz and the other and that was what patsfan was calling bullshit on.

fine ,

but my name shouldn;t have been counted towards your total is what i'm saying so

if its a total of 5 make it 4..

 

[patsfan1379]

fine ,

but my name shouldn;t have been counted towards your total is what i'm saying so

if its a total of 5 make it 4..

make it three because I hit him, thats my hit on the top.

 

[Lestat]

fine ,

but my name shouldn;t have been counted towards your total is what i'm saying so

if its a total of 5 make it 4..

there is no total, where was there a bet based on numbers?

I had gotten K from you, I posted in a thread "thanks to people that gave me green" (meaning you)

Patsfan called bullshit on me.

I proved him wrong.

Whatever your original intent was, that has no relevance on this. You gave me green and I thanked you. Patsfan was disputing whether or not I even got that green in the first place.

You can give your share of the million back to patsfan if you want, I don't care.

 

[gjohnson5]

Hell you censored everything.

recognize! check the time stamp too.

 

[Mr. dB]

as has been said here, the dog fighting and accompanying pictures, etc. is what gets the public so very disturbed over this. The real charges that carry the prison time are all the money related charges. The rest is just media hype.

Bingo. The illegal gambling is the big score here. Since he's pleading guilty, I doubt he'll even be brought up on the animal cruelty charges, apart from the federal dog-fighting violations.

And it's the gambling that will get him banned from the NFL.

 

[Phaded]

lestat loses like always..

 

[Dial_tone]

Bingo. The illegal gambling is the big score here. Since he's pleading guilty, I doubt he'll even be brought up on the animal cruelty charges, apart from the federal dog-fighting violations.

And it's the gambling that will get him banned from the NFL.

I really don't understand why the gambling matters to the NFL. I thought it was only against rules for pro athletes to bet on their sport. There have to be current players who bet in Vegas all the time.

 

[Lestat]

Hell you censored everything.

of course! why wouldn't I? Its a sensitive subject and winning the bet only required revealing one source.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I really don't understand why the gambling matters to the NFL. I thought it was only against rules for pro athletes to bet on their sport. There have to be current players who bet in Vegas all the time.

Michael Jordon (hording Jordon), Scotty Pipen (no tippin Pippen), and Dennis Rodman (rumored to be a great tipper), all played cards in Vegas during their NBA careers. I'm not sure, but I think the prohibition is against sports betting.

 

[Whiskey]

damn lestat... you're making me itch to go after some rabbits now... i'll be back, gotta go get some ammo. ;-)

I agree.

Whiskey

 

[jh1]

there is no total, where was there a bet based on numbers?

I had gotten K from you, I posted in a thread "thanks to people that gave me green" (meaning you)

Patsfan called bullshit on me.

I proved him wrong.

Whatever your original intent was, that has no relevance on this. You gave me green and I thanked you. Patsfan was disputing whether or not I even got that green in the first place.

You can give your share of the million back to patsfan if you want, I don't care.

It does have relevance because what started this was your dubious claim that SEVERAL people were supporting your arugment via k messages in private, but weren't ready to post it publicly.

Which is total bullshit.

 

[Raptorex]

WTF, I give Lestat K - because he is an old school good bro and a friend of Johnny and the biatch doesn't hit me back... Give me back my K.

p.s. my k did not support his position - only that I was fucking with him by posting poo poo on his threads - and wanted him to know it.

Vick is a LOSER - plain and simple - as is anyone that would harm an animal for pleasure.

 

[Mr. dB]

I really don't understand why the gambling matters to the NFL. I thought it was only against rules for pro athletes to bet on their sport. There have to be current players who bet in Vegas all the time.

"Illegal gambling" then.

 

[Lestat]

It does have relevance because what started this was your dubious claim that SEVERAL people were supporting your arugment via k messages in private, but weren't ready to post it publicly.

Which is total bullshit.

who said I have to be willing to post it publicly? that was never stated.

 

[jh1]

who said I have to be willing to post it publicly? that was never stated.

You're purposely avoiding the real issue. There wasn't / isn't a group of people for you to thank for supporting your position, privately, via K as your tried to imply.

 

[jd_uk]

hanging is acceptable for humans, why not for animals?

same with eletrocution.

Drowning isn't so human, but doesn't exactly promote suffering, how long does it take to become unconscious? a minute?

Think you'll find that if you go around hanging people, you'll end up in jail pretty fast.

Anyone who tortures animals for fun deserves to do some hard time. There's no point in people like that and no place for them in society.

 

[patsfan1379]

who said I have to be willing to post it publicly? that was never stated.

And this is what you call weaseling. Arguing over semantics when in essense you lost the bet and don't want to pay up. This is what my 5 year old cousin does when she loses in the foot race.

 

[jh1]

And this is what you call weaseling. Arguing over semantics when in essense you lost the bet and don't want to pay up. This is what my 5 year old cousin does when she loses in the foot race.

LOL @ you not letting your 5 y/o cousin win a foot race, heartless bastard!

 

[patsfan1379]

LOL @ you not letting your 5 y/o cousin win a foot race, heartless bastard!

She kicks my ass unless I trip her off the line lol.

 

[Faizakafez]

http://marsut2k3clan.free.fr/Pix/stfu.jpg

 

[patsfan1379]

OMG I'm 1/2 weetoded.

WFT?

 

[Mr. dB]

Think you'll find that if you go around hanging people, you'll end up in jail pretty fast.

Anyone who tortures animals for fun deserves to do some hard time. There's no point in people like that and no place for them in society.

Animal torture is not what Vick is being charged with. That's just something that came up in the testimony of the co-defendents.

 

[gotmilk]

Sub and Lestat would probably prefer the Calabrese mob family style for betrayal...

The 'ndrangheta's world is highly disciplined, to the point that its bosses determine who gets to dance with whom at local feast days. Punishment is swift, decided by a "defense minister" who hands out sentences with no appeal.

Punishments for minor infractions include getting your head stuck in a toilet bowl while it's being flushed or a clansman urinating on your leg, Gratteri said. Death sentences are normally handled by a gunshot.

One of the Duisburg victims, who was celebrating a fellow victim's 18th birthday, is suspected by investigators of being among the hit men who carried out the Christmas 2006 slaying in San Luca of Maria Strangio, a mob boss's wife.

 

[Lestat]

And this is what you call weaseling. Arguing over semantics when in essense you lost the bet and don't want to pay up. This is what my 5 year old cousin does when she loses in the foot race.

what semantics?

YOu said I didn't get green karma, I did.

cut and dry, no semantics here, you are trying to say that my green karma doesn't count for some reason?

If you aren't going to pay just say so.

 

[rubberneck]

 

[wootoom]

i actually read this whole thing

 

[Lestat]

i actually read this whole thing

welcome back good brio!!

 

[wootoom]

good to be back broski.

 

[Phaded]

so leastclass is not gonna hold up on his end of the bargain.. didnt see that one coming

 

[Lestat]

so leastclass is not gonna hold up on his end of the bargain.. didnt see that one coming

what end of the bargain?

When patsfan pays up the bet, we'll talk about holding up any deals.

He called bullshit on me getting green karma.

I proved to him I had the green karma.

He still has not made good on his word.

It was never about who had more green hits or any of that shit. Go check the thread again and its clear as day.

 

[Phaded]

win or lose patsfan wins..

 

[patsfan1379]

win or lose patsfan wins..

I didn't lose shit. Go read my thread. Lestat's a weasel.

 

[digimon7068]

I absolutely believe animal cruelty calls for hard time. Hunting, which I'm not crazy about either, is done for animal population control and at least the meat is eaten. Making dogs fight to the death for pleasure is something entirely different.

no it's not. . .hunting and killing satifies the primitve part of your brain that we ALL have. . .most of us deny its existence, though. . .ask any hunter. . .particularly an archer. . .a successful hunt is a very spiritual experience. . .

 

[Dial_tone]

no it's not. . .hunting and killing satifies the primitve part of your brain that we ALL have. . .most of us deny its existence, though. . .ask any hunter. . .particularly an archer. . .a successful hunt is a very spiritual experience. . .

Yes it is. There is a reason that states have strictly defined hunting seasons and its not because people only want to kill at certain times of the year. It's because that time frame is what's needed to keep the animal population at a reasonable number for that area.

 

[digimon7068]

Yes it is. There is a reason that states have strictly defined hunting seasons and its not because people only want to kill at certain times of the year. It's because that time frame is what's needed to keep the animal population at a reasonable number for that area.

you're putting the cart in front of the horse. . .the activity existed before the regulations were enacted. . .in actuality, the "population control" measures that you refer to are to preserve the resource for future generations of hunters and outdoor enthusiasts. . .underpopulation AND overpopulation are both concerns. . .however, at least here in PA, those concerns are established by the sportsmen who, contrary to popular belief, are also conservationists. . .they enjoy the acitivity and want to be able to pass it on to future generations. . .hopefully in better shape than when it was passed on to them. . .they see themselves as stewards of the land. . .the law just responds to what the hunters and the game and fish commissions are telling them. . .

 

[Phaded]

I didn't lose shit. Go read my thread. Lestat's a weasel.

no shit just letting him know the obvious.. that no matter what in my eyes he always loses.

 

[patsfan1379]

no shit just letting him know the obvious.. that no matter what in my eyes he always loses.

gotcha

 

[jnevin]

Animal torture is not what Vick is being charged with. That's just something that came up in the testimony of the co-defendents.

Exactly. Dumbshit McAveragehustler doesn't even know what he's talking about.

 

[patsfan1379]

Exactly. Dumbshit McAveragehustler doesn't even know what he's talking about.

LMAO

average in every way

 

[Lestat]

Exactly. Dumbshit McAveragehustler doesn't even know what he's talking about.

how many RICO charges have been brought against dog fighters? Do you think he would get slapped with a RICO case if he and his buddies were gambling on pool games?

If you think the fact that this involed the brutal killing of dogs is a non factor, or even not the most compelling factor in the case then its YOU that does not know what he is talking about.

 

[Lestat]

LMAO

average in every way

bro if I'm average then what are you? 25th percentile?

 

[Lestat]

I didn't lose shit. Go read my thread. Lestat's a weasel.

exaplin to me how you didn't lose.

I said, thanks to those who gave me green.

You said "i call bullshit" no one gave you green but subz and the other.

I posted evidence that I had green from people other than those two.

NOw you are gonna bitch out about it? I had a feeling you wouldn't keep to your word, especially in the face of such a clear cut owning, but to try to flip the tables and somehow argue that the green wasn't real green or didn't count is just juvenile. You got owned bro, hardcore.

 

[patsfan1379]

exaplin to me how you didn't lose.

I said, thanks to those who gave me green.

You said "i call bullshit" no one gave you green but subz and the other.

I posted evidence that I had green from people other than those two.

NOw you are gonna bitch out about it? I had a feeling you wouldn't keep to your word, especially in the face of such a clear cut owning, but to try to flip the tables and somehow argue that the green wasn't real green or didn't count is just juvenile. You got owned bro, hardcore.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7582115-post110.html

 

[Lestat]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/7582115-post110.html

When I got the green karama, I assumed he supported my position. He only said AFTER the bet was made and AFTER the screen shot was posted that he just "randomly" gave me K. You called bullshit on me getting green, I showed you I got the green, yet now you are trying to get the person to recant the green, or explain that they MEANT something different, all AFTER the fact. You lost bro.

next time red me if you need to spread.

 

[jnevin]

how many RICO charges have been brought against dog fighters? Do you think he would get slapped with a RICO case if he and his buddies were gambling on pool games?

If you think the fact that this involed the brutal killing of dogs is a non factor, or even not the most compelling factor in the case then its YOU that does not know what he is talking about.

Say what you want, but you got owned, you probably lost the respect (even if it's just e-people and doesn't mean shit in real life) of 95% of the people that read your shitheaded ideas on animal rights, you don't understand the case or the charges and are making yourself look stupid focusing on the least legally damning but most disgusting part of the case, and your faggot ass is welching on a bet. You're a pussy and you don't stick to your word.

That's pathetic.

 

[patsfan1379]

When I got the green karama, I assumed he supported my position. He only said AFTER the bet was made and AFTER the screen shot was posted that he just "randomly" gave me K. You called bullshit on me getting green, I showed you I got the green, yet now you are trying to get the person to recant the green, or explain that they MEANT something different, all AFTER the fact. You lost bro.

next time red me if you need to spread.

Dude, this is obviously going nowhere, do what you gotta do. I've spent far too much time verbally assaulting you these past two days. I'm moving on to Needto, he's easier.

 

[Lestat]

Say what you want, but you got owned, you probably lost the respect (even if it's just e-people and doesn't mean shit in real life) of 95% of the people that read your shitheaded ideas on animal rights, you don't understand the case or the charges and are making yourself look stupid focusing on the least legally damning but most disgusting part of the case, and your faggot ass is welching on a bet. You're a pussy and you don't stick to your word.

That's pathetic.

I got welched on a bet. I won that fair and square, and have proven it many times.

"focusing on the least legally damning but most disgusting part of the case"

Isn't that what all of the news outlets are doing too? Do you not realize that the reason this is such a big deal, and elicits such a response from people is because of the dogs involved?

I honestly expected more from you, you call me a faggot ass? Go re read my posts, where did I personally insult you, your character, or anything to do with you. You want to talk about losing respect? look in the mirror.

I talk about an issue, and people in turn talk about me, that makes sense.

 

[patsfan1379]

I got welched on a bet. I won that fair and square, and have proven it many times.

"focusing on the least legally damning but most disgusting part of the case"

Isn't that what all of the news outlets are doing too? Do you not realize that the reason this is such a big deal, and elicits such a response from people is because of the dogs involved?

I honestly expected more from you, you call me a faggot ass? Go re read my posts, where did I personally insult you, your character, or anything to do with you. You want to talk about losing respect? look in the mirror.

I talk about an issue, and people in turn talk about me, that makes sense.

I'm with jnev. And about 30 people are with me on the bet man. You stand alone with Subz and Psychomom.

Whatev.

You lost my respect.

 

[jnevin]

I got welched on a bet. I won that fair and square, and have proven it many times.

"focusing on the least legally damning but most disgusting part of the case"

Isn't that what all of the news outlets are doing too? Do you not realize that the reason this is such a big deal, and elicits such a response from people is because of the dogs involved?

I honestly expected more from you, you call me a faggot ass? Go re read my posts, where did I personally insult you, your character, or anything to do with you. You want to talk about losing respect? look in the mirror.

I talk about an issue, and people in turn talk about me, that makes sense.

Yeah, you got welched on.

You know the media spins it to get more viewers. Do you think this would be as big and stay as big if they just kept talking about the money laundering, etc? I'd hope you're smarter than that.

LOL @ look in the mirror. Witty.

 

[patsfan1379]

Yeah, you got welched on.

You know the media spins it to get more viewers. Do you think this would be as big and stay as big if they just kept talking about the money laundering, etc? I'd hope you're smarter than that.

LOL @ look in the mirror. Witty.

He just started a need-for-approval thread.