The Vick Case

[Lestat]

Killing animals for survival is not the same thing as pitting them against each other in torturous cruel fights!

Being a carnivore is a natual thing, humans have hunted for as long as they have been around.... so do lions, so do dogs.... that is NOT any more a crime than breathing.

Torture, Cruelty... those are crimes. The society you live in says so. Fucking live with it, like it or not - do it and you go to jail, those are the rules and he knew it.

who do you know that kills animals for survival???

 

[Lestat]

This statement makes me think Lestat is a douche who reads too much and regurgitates those second-hand original thoughts as his own "philosophy."

What article/paper/Tool lyric/free thinking online e-zine, made you have this gem-of-a-thought?

you really think people should go to prison for killing dogs?

 

[jh1]

that is some FUCKED up shit I agree. stealing someone's pet to use in that manner is inexcusable.

but, vick hasn't been accused of that.

BUT that is one of the many reasons why the sport should be ILLEGAL and punished.

But as I said, my point is, he should not go to prison over this, NO ONE should for their first dog fighting offense, I don't care if they were the grandmaster of dog fighting. Fine the shit out of then, probation forever, never own a dog, something, but prison? Lets keep it real.

Of course he isn't accused of it, I doubt they've ever caught and charged someone with something like that. But it is a by product of the illegal dog fighting he is involved in - which is one of the reasons it is illegal to begin with.

 

[Lestat]

Please keep this all in perspective people.

Just like I think no one should be arrested for the possesion of steroids, I don't think anyone should go to prison for killing dogs, no matter how brutal.

 

[rudeboyja]

Once again I am shocked by not only our country, but the people of EF.

Do you people here really think Vick did something so heinous he needs to spend time in Prison?

How many of you are hunters? How many of you eat beef? How many of you setup mouse traps?

What Vick did is WRONG. I am NOT an advocate for the legalization of dog fighting. I support laws that enforce the human treatment of animals.

BUT, I am sick of the double standard. Vick is being made an example of.

He should have his breeder license revoked. He should NEVER be allowed to sell dogs. He shouldn't be able to own more than 2 or so dogs at a time.

But to serve HARD time for his crime? Who exactly are the victims?

I've been hunting before, and luckily I've never killed while on a hunt myself, but I went on 2 hunts and learned quickly that it was NOT my thing.

HOWEVER, it is perfectly legal! You can shoot a deer, wounding it, having it limp through a forest in pain, and die over the course of a few days, but that is legal!

You can go get a job at a slaughter house, where you run a bolt into a cow's brain all day long and get PAID for it.

Jewish people can cut the foreskin from a living 8 day old baby with NO pain medication, and that is legal, protected, and CELEBRATED.

But Vick can't kill his own animals, on his OWN property, without going to prison?

No one else sees any problem with this? I kill animals near daily. Yesterday I sprayed some flies with insecticide and watched them fly disorented and twitch until they died. I also used my foot to smash a living spider until it died. Will I be thrown in prison for that one day as well just because a bunch of people think its mean and inhumane?

Seriously. Vick is a fool for being involved in this at all and should have some penalty, but if an attempted child molester can get probation, why can't Vick?

Well said.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Killing animals for survival is not the same thing as pitting them against each other in torturous cruel fights!

Being a carnivore is a natual thing, humans have hunted for as long as they have been around.... so do lions, so do dogs.... that is NOT any more a crime than breathing.

Torture, Cruelty... those are crimes. The society you live in says so. Fucking live with it, like it or not - do it and you go to jail, those are the rules and he knew it.

agree to disagree, i agree with lestat.

the torture and cruely is fucked up and he needs therapy.

but in terms of the poor animals, it doesnt matter the intent, the animal is dying, and being mutilated whether its to eat, or for entertainment

 

[jh1]

who do you know that kills animals for survival???

You eat hamburgers?

 

[patsfan1379]

Please keep this all in perspective people.

Just like I think no one should be arrested for the possesion of steroids, I don't think anyone should go to prison for killing dogs, no matter how brutal.

I just sent a link to this thread to [email protected] with your username and email address.

Brian.

 

[Lestat]

You eat hamburgers?

of course! but not for survival, I'd still be alive today even if I NEVER touched a piece of beef.

 

[jh1]

agree to disagree, i agree with lestat.

the torture and cruely is fucked up and he needs therapy.

but in terms of the poor animals, it doesnt matter the intent, the animal is dying, and being mutilated whether its to eat, or for entertainment

Unfortunately for people that disagree, society says they are crimes and you go to jail for commiting said crimes.

They don't give a fuck wether you agree or not.