*The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruising*

[digit0x]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

LOL. I wouldn't be so smug if people would go to the trouble of opening up a single damn book on this subject before talking about how others should self-administer controlled drugs.

Supply and demand has been booming in the steroid market over the past few years, and with that, so have the inherent dangers of using these injectable and often basement-produced drugs.

Many people want results, and they want results now -- but without some time gathering a basic understanding of what they're doing and how they're affecting their body, I fear the whole steroid scene will bust... not unlike the booms of numerous other illegal drugs before...

Knowledge has been passed over by the ease and entertainment of the internet, likewise safety by the low-cost of imported powders. Sadly, I don't think many people, especially the younger crowd, really appreciate the importance of good health... and they shouldn't have to realize this after it's already too late...

ITS UP TO YOU SAMOTH. You must save us!

Oh, and you broke my green karma button.

 

[samoth]

Not all steroids are EQUAL.

Primobolan does NOT affect the HPTA as profoundly as DECA.

Credited, no argument.

As for being able to PARTIALLY RECOVER while administering Primobolan, I have done it NUMEROUS TIMES my man. WHO WOULD WANT TO GO DIRECTLY FROM A STATE OF TOTAL HPTA INHIBITION, DIRECTLY INTO PCT???

I don't prefer to look at individual cases, but more a abstracted or generalized case applying to the general populace.

You seem to be generalizing your specific case, which is a fundamental flaw in any theory or premise.

And you keep using the word "total". That's a nasty word that makes it far too easy to be disproved or contradicted. Ditto with "complete". And using the word "fact" holds up much better with a little subscript number and a reference at the bottom...

You can actually REDUCE HPTA INHIBITION just by using an AROMATASE INHIBITOR! THAT is a FACT, jack.

The question is, to what extent? And what functional dependencies exist?

Furthermore, prolactin sensitizes the HPTA. Reducing prolactin to subnormal levels whilst on cycle wil enable the user to TRICK THE HPTA into thinking it is NOT on cycle.

Disagree. There are more variables involved than the case you present. There exists no current method of tricking the body to thinking there are homeostatic androgen levels during a cycle.

There are many ways to reduce HPTA inhibition/suppression. Though, the POINT IS, not ALL steriods cause signifcant HPTA inhibition! This is a MYTH, not based on SCIENCE.

Reduce, yes, but extent is not large enough or in a long enough time interval (by your theory, none) to qualify switching from steroid x to steroid y in an effort to do what your theory proposes. You seem to omit the importance of total remaining androgens WRT HTHP axis recovery and PCT -- this should either be addressed or something proposed demonstrating it not to be pertinant to your argument or theory.

Further, great differences abound when using different adverbs. Your inconsistancy here really obfuscates your argument. I think being more precise with your wording, using strong absolutes especially, would improve your theory's validity and make your write-ups look more professional rather than like advertisements (WRT writing style and editing).

 

[digit0x]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

LOL. I wouldn't be so smug if people would go to the trouble of opening up a single damn book on this subject before talking about how others should self-administer controlled drugs.

Supply and demand has been booming in the steroid market over the past few years, and with that, so have the inherent dangers of using these injectable and often basement-produced drugs.

Many people want results, and they want results now -- but without some time gathering a basic understanding of what they're doing and how they're affecting their body, I fear the whole steroid scene will bust... not unlike the booms of numerous other illegal drugs before...

Knowledge has been passed over by the ease and entertainment of the internet, likewise safety by the low-cost of imported powders. Sadly, I don't think many people, especially the younger crowd, really appreciate the importance of good health... and they shouldn't have to realize this after it's already too late...

Ross, now you say "what does a physicist know about endochrinology?"

 

[samoth]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

Ross, now you say "what does a physicist know about endochrinology?"

I was a biochem major for 3.5 years until deciding to up my physics minor to a major.

... but that's certainly not even the slightest dent in the complex and diverse field of endocrinology...

 

[digit0x]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

I was a biochem major for 3.5 years until deciding to up my physics minor to a major.

... but that's certainly not even the slightest dent in the complex and diverse field of endocrinology...

Indeed. But I'm sure you dove deep enough into those core units to get a decent background, relative to everyone else here. So you opted for biochem as a minor? Sounds like you should double major if you're so close! I started my undergrad as a physics major, but switched to biz.

 

[rdel85]

yeah 1.5 years as biochem & molecular....then .5 as Bio-medical engineering then somehow I ended up as an industrial engineer. Props to you getting a physics degree, those where probably the most challenging courses I ever took...physicist are where the real smarts are that quantum and gravitational shit on another level.

 

[digit0x]

yeah 1.5 years as biochem & molecular....then .5 as Bio-medical engineering then somehow I ended up as an industrial engineer. Props to you getting a physics degree, those where probably the most challenging courses I ever took...physicist are where the real smarts are that quantum and gravitational shit on another level.

Werd. So interesting though I love to read about theoretical physics.

 

[ru35]

Samoth, check any EBM published journal. It is generally understood that the majority of older medical research used poor research methods. Thats the reason that EBM came about. With all your knowledge I would think you would know that. I'm not questioning your knowledge but you really should have known that. As for the ability to say that about any study, that's not true. The true mark of a good study is the ability of it to be repeated. Newton's studies are able to be repeated, and therefore it's results can not be refuted. However some of these studies done earlier weren't double blind studies and weren't using the best research methods. Look into it if you want, it is what it is.

 

[Triple J]

Re: *The Perpetual Muscle Mass EXPLOSION: Pre-PCT(Active Recovery), Bridging & Cruisi

i think ross has some interesting insights. by keeping estrogen, progestin, and prolactin levels in check the degree of hpta shutdown will be mostly dependant on the androgenic components of the cycle. theoretically if this knowledge is put to good use the degree of hpta shutdown should be less than otherwise.

after contemplating the evidence, i agree that proalctin sensitizes the hpta. the question then becomes how can one use this to ones advantage? personally i think the risks of attempting to drive prolactin very low, even while on cycle, need to be considered very carefully. dopamine agonists can be dangerous when overdone. so i would favor a more conservative approach that just keeps prolactin levels in check, without getting too aggressive with ergot-based derivitives like dostinex or bromo. i would favor selegilene, B6, tyrosine, maca, etc. there is a tendency for prolactin levels to be amplified with age and/or progestin use so i think these users need to be somewhat more mindful of prolactin management.

 

[Ross]

i think ross has some interesting insights. by keeping estrogen, progestin, and prolactin levels in check the degree of hpta shutdown will be mostly dependant on the androgenic components of the cycle. theoretically if this knowledge is put to good use the degree of hpta shutdown should be less than otherwise.

after contemplating the evidence, i agree that proalctin sensitizes the hpta. the question then becomes how can one use this to ones advantage? personally i think the risks of attempting to drive prolactin very low, even while on cycle, need to be considered very carefully. dopamine agonists can be dangerous when overdone. so i would favor a more conservative approach that just keeps prolactin levels in check, without getting too aggressive with ergot-based derivitives like dostinex or bromo. i would favor selegilene, B6, tyrosine, maca, etc. there is a tendency for prolactin levels to be amplified with age so i think older more experienced users need to be somewhat more mindful of prolactin management.

AMEN, and PERFECTLY well articulated.

The FACTS are FACTS.

I am done arguing for tonight, I will let him FEEL LIKE he is correct..LOL

Bottom line, HPTA suppression can not be TOTALLY AVOIDED, but it certainly CAN be reduced.