The Patriot Act in Work

[HS Lifter]

They don't have to explain it, just like they can't explain which exact rights were 'lost under the Patriot Act'

'well the government is just trampling on people's rights! End of story!'

I agree with the second part of your post.

 

[HS Lifter]

the patriot attacks domestic terrorism. when someone has ties with terrorism or ties to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion" , he or she will relinquish his or her rights in accordance with the patriot act and federal and state laws. if the person has peaceful intentions, and does not advocate terrorism, then he or she cannot be targeted under the patriot act.

if you can, could you please bring up some articles in which people go public about the patriot act violating their rights?

Jesus! ITS UP TO THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON'S INTENTIONS WERE "PEACEFUL" OR IF THEY "ADVOCATED TERRORISM". Which means, we are still at the mercy of the government regarding this particular law.

if you can, could you please bring up some articles in which people go public about the patriot act violating their rights?

What does that have to do anything? Are you trying to say that just because nobody has gone public about the patriot act violating their rights, that it is fair and correct?

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

It has expanded the power and ability the government has to intervene in the lives of its citizens. This is true. But it is HOW the power is utilized that makes a difference on trampling on people's rights. Just because the government has more power, does not instantly mean your rights are violated. The Patriot Act is a good tool in undermining terrorism and terrorist related crimes, if utilized properly.


If there have been any abuses up to this point they have been, as far as i know, under the radar. Just because they have not happened yet does not mean they won't, however. You're right on this. With power, comes responsibility -- something that is not flawless with anyone. There will be idiots who abuse this power, but I am sure they realize that lawyers, media, interest groups, etc will be all over their asses -- something that keeps the extreme minority of idiot power-abusers in check

A substantial part of the patriot act gives the gov power to regulate and investigate any part of the internet they think may, even in the slightest bit, relate to terrorism. The gov't would only pursue such actions if they knew they could have a viable case. Now, with that said, in a lot of cases on the internet, evidence can be very time sensitive. A federal judge could issue a search warrant. I think this process is still in the works, because it will sunset in 2005.



This is one instance of it working... but naturally you're going to hear about any minor "success" resulting from the act, and will hear nothing about how it is giving the government greater power in your life.True, but the Patriot Act is relatively new, and still being 'tested' out. In the future, I think there will be more criminal indictments of people who are comitting and promoting terrorist acts.

 

[Razorguns]

>THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON'S >INTENTIONS WERE "PEACEFUL"

Who else should determine it?

Maybe we can send potential terrorists to Earl Sinclair of Dinobottom, Florida ask what he thinks. Or maybe we can just ask them if they do terrorist stuff. If they say no, let them go. Otherwise we're abusing their rights.

 

[Razorguns]

>Still does not prove shit.

Charged and CONVICTED.

He had has fair trial. He lost. Toss him into the cell and throw away the key.

btw: Bin Laden nor those 19 terrorists were EVER charged. Yet everyone keeps ragging on those guys. Unfair don't you think?

 

[HS Lifter]

>THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON'S >INTENTIONS WERE "PEACEFUL"

Who else should determine it?

Maybe we can send potential terrorists to Earl Sinclair of Dinobottom, Florida ask what he thinks. Or maybe we can just ask them if they do terrorist stuff. If they say no, let them go. Otherwise we're abusing their rights.

Who else should determine it?

A government without the patriot act, along with a government that has a president that can pronounce "Nuclear".

 

[BO-DEN]

dude, your dumb.


BO-DEN

 

[HS Lifter]

>Still does not prove shit.

Charged and CONVICTED.

He had has fair trial. He lost. Toss him into the cell and throw away the key.

btw: Bin Laden nor those 19 terrorists were EVER charged. Yet everyone keeps ragging on those guys. Unfair don't you think?

what

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

Jesus! ITS UP TO THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PERSON'S INTENTIONS WERE "PEACEFUL" OR IF THEY "ADVOCATED TERRORISM". Which means, we are still at the mercy of the government regarding this particular law.

What? Who else is going to decide? LOL.....The citizens of the USA are always, and have always been at the 'mercy' of government laws, both state and federal. Evidence showed that the person indicted on these charges had ties to legitimate terrorist activities.



What does that have to do anything? Are you trying to say that just because nobody has gone public about the patriot act violating their rights, that it is fair and correct?

No, how did you infer that? I asked him to bring up some articles that were written about an individual's rights being violated by the Patriot Act. I wanted to read them

 

[HS Lifter]

Read above for the answer to the first part of your post.

As for the second part of your post, go look up the articles yourself. Lazy ass!