The 1000mg Primo Story.... With Before Pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pdaddy]

ok..
i disagree with your logic bro.
you mean to tell me that time in the gym is the only indicator of a newbie??
if your answer is yes, im dissapointed!!!

first off, everybody responds differently to gear!!!!

at 180 pounds, 500mg of test or deca SHOULD be enough but not necessarily!
if you're a hardgainer at 180 pounds, 500mg may not be enough.
for some its at the 2g dose that change appears! im not talkin about me but ive witnessed this MANY MANY times! dont assume that everybody gains on 500mg test!

second, 1000mg of primo DOES NOT equal 1000mg test or 1000mg deca!
its a weaker compound!!!
still VERY effective!
but the lowest dose primo a newbie should try is 500mg IMO!

500mg per week minimum!!
600-800mg ideal!!
1000mg for optimum results!!!

third, 2.5 years training is no longer newbie status and ill explain.

take 2 guys, for example, both training 2.5 years.

DUDE 1: trains 4 days a week, 1 hour sessions, gets most his knowledge from guys around the gyms, magazines, and his buddies. this is a typical guy training.. most DO NOT go on boards for knowledge so keep that in mind. he trains half ass and is sloppy with form....and not as motivated, he eats like shit and has no idea what glycemic index is or what whey isolates do!
but still pack on decent size because of genetics.

so at 230 pounds, the guy is a walkin beast, but trains improperly one day leading to injury.. his physique is strictly attributed to his genetics.. NOT his skills!!


DUDE 2: trains 5-6 days a week, 45 minute sessions. eats super clean, trains as clean as can be, and is on elite so has all the info he needs! this guy lives and breathes bodybuilding!!!!!!!!! his waking hours are spent thinkin about the next meal.. the next workout.... the next time he's online researching and researching.

but due to poor genetics, he's not a walking beast!
but knows more shit than me, you, and many others!
and lets throw in that he's been around sports/bodybuilding for 10 years... but only 2.5 years of that actually training on himself!

DUDE 3: looks like DUDE 1 but has knowledge/motivation to improve as DUDE 2. clearly.

so whose the newbie bro?

DUDE 1?
DUDE 2?
DUDE 3?
ALL 3????????????????


and last...

i know guys who have been training for 2 years (you can call them newbies if you like) thatll make most guys here look like toothpicks!! genetics or not, i sure as hell aint calling them newbies! they must be doin some'n right that perhaps YOU THAT HAVE BEEN TRAINING FOR 8 YEARS YOU EXPERIENCED PRO (LMFAO) will never know!

so think strong and smart before you post some bullshit calling people newbies!

I couldn't even read that entire post, I bet you have brown eyes from all the poop that comes out of your mouth.

 

[biggumz]

i smell jealousy....

 

[borg4902]

That was one of the dumbest things i've ever read im my life. Just say yes I abuse gear like 85% of the people here do and be done with these retarded examples.

 

[timtim]

please show me someone who is untrained at 230 and 7%bf. what kind of statement is that? i am around amateur competitors all the time (as i am sure most here are) and 230 at 7% just doesn't happen. that is a ridiculous post.

 

[van_wilder]

please show me someone who is untrained at 230 and 7%bf. what kind of statement is that? i am around amateur competitors all the time (as i am sure most here are) and 230 at 7% just doesn't happen. that is a ridiculous post.

Agreed...and i think time in the gym is a great indicator of whether or not someone is ready to juice. I honestly dont' think anyone should juice before they have spent at LEAST a good 2-3 years working out hard and training properly so that they can understand how their body responds to various types and styles of training, different volumes and intensities, etc... (as well as various dieting techniques for bulking and cutting). IMO, anyone that begins juicing before they have a basic understand of their own body then they are:
1. wasting gear
2. taking higher amounts than necessary to acheive a fraction of the results that someone would if they had taken the time to learn all of this first
3. a newbie

and finally.... i strongly believe that if someone really truly understands diet and training they can overcome even the shitiest genetics without gear to at least look like they workout a little before ever touching any gear (i'm a great example of this.... i was the skinniest peice of shit in the world but committed to learning about diet and nutrition to get at least what i like to think is a decent natural base)
VW

 

[gymratforlife]

LOL not to make this argument any worse but I have a friend here that is around 5'10" 260lbs stays at no higher than 10% BF all year,is the laziest motherfucker I have ever known.Dosent even work he is so fucking lazy has no idea of how to work out and his daily diet consist of Macdonalds cheseeburgers burger king and KFC and he has a brother about 20 lbs lighter wich is just like him dumb as a rock and they look like they are on all the juice in the world and very1 asks them if they compete everywere they go.GENETICS can play a HUGE part in some peoples physiques folks.

 

[gjohnson5]

please show me someone who is untrained at 230 and 7%bf. what kind of statement is that? i am around amateur competitors all the time (as i am sure most here are) and 230 at 7% just doesn't happen. that is a ridiculous post.

Think a little bit , I dunno about the 5'10 guy but If you calculate taller people into the mix , there are TONS of 230lb and 7% people out there

230 and 7% is NOT an indicator of expertise in the weightroom or of a person with a good diet. And it's definitly not a indicator of someone proficient with AAS

 

[timtim]

maybe our view of 7% bf is different. 7% is razor sharp with striations, dry and crisp muscle, and a grainy look when flexed.

if you could show me untrained slobs who just happen to fall into this category, please do. i know what 7% looks like and it's a rare day when someone combines 230 with 7% bf. sorry, i just watched a 5'9" 280 pound masters competitior step on stage at 236 with about 5%. it doesn't just happen. i completely disagree.

there are people out there who are in great shape naturally, yes. but to say it like it means nothing, "oh yeah 230, 7% bf", that's ridiculous.

and i'd like to see what these bf percentages actually look like because alot of times people don't understand what single digit bf looks like.

 

[LVTitan]

Damn man...how many calories do you average a day?

usually between 3000-4000, although i spent the weekend with my new lady and didnt leave her house for 2 days , i lost 8 lbs because i only ate like once a day while i was there... was kinda busy, i think i lost 4 lbs of nut though !!

i got the 8lbs back in a couple days though by eating like a mofo when i got home !!

 

[powerforward]

most people would think 14% is 7%, 7% is what 60 and 70's era bodybuilders stepped on stage as.
a person who has not trained at 235lbs and 7% is not common, and has world class genetics.