Taking steroids before you reach your genetic limit

[cyrex]

i'm not 'missing the point'..

just trying to play devil's advocate.

well keep it up, but bring up some valid stuff LOL
i like devil's advocate.. I can switch gears and do it too if ya'll want
I love to argue my own points

 

[Tweakle]

If Arnie can go on at 15 then why not Little Johnny who wants to fuck bitches in cancun or little Timmy who wants get all jacked so he can knock a nigga out and shit, yo.

Bottom line, most people using juice are fucking choads and shouldn't be using anything stronger than creatine but in an ideal world I would agree with you.. if someone knew all about their bodies response to training and diet before they popped then they could juice to get to their 'limit' and then come off and maintain that limit naturally, especially if they were young and weren't seriously shut down the way some older guy are post cycle.

if they'd been training a year or 10 it wouldn't matter. But in the real world those people do not exisit, hence the 3-5 years hard training rule before even touching juice/

 

[cyrex]

If Arnie can go on at 15 then why not Little Johnny who wants to fuck bitches in cancun or little Timmy who wants get all jacked so he can knock a nigga out and shit, yo.

Bottom line, most people using juice are fucking choads and shouldn't be using anything stronger than creatine but in an ideal world I would agree with you.. if someone knew all about their bodies response to training and diet before they popped then they could juice to get to their 'limit' and then come off and maintain that limit naturally, especially if they were young and weren't seriously shut down the way some older guy are post cycle.

if they'd been training a year or 10 it wouldn't matter. But in the real world those people do not exisit, hence the 3-5 years hard training rule before even touching juice/

i have basically supported everything you've just said in all my posts/replies on this thread

 

[cityhick]

Good post. Im a young buck but I will be starting soon.

 

[cyrex]

Good post. Im a young buck but I will be starting soon.

BTW this post was not to say ppl should start sooner, it was more that they should WAIT but for a different more logical reason other than some arbitrary numbers

if you fall into that specific reason than GO FOR IT

 

[cityhick]

You should no me better by now. And I will go for it

 

[dugie65]

If Arnie can go on at 15 then why not Little Johnny who wants to fuck bitches in cancun or little Timmy who wants get all jacked so he can knock a nigga out and shit, yo.

Bottom line, most people using juice are fucking choads and shouldn't be using anything stronger than creatine but in an ideal world I would agree with you.. if someone knew all about their bodies response to training and diet before they popped then they could juice to get to their 'limit' and then come off and maintain that limit naturally, especially if they were young and weren't seriously shut down the way some older guy are post cycle.

if they'd been training a year or 10 it wouldn't matter. But in the real world those people do not exisit, hence the 3-5 years hard training rule before even touching juice/

only prob is at that age you can completely destroy your natural test production making it almost impossible to maintain what SHOULD have been your potential.

i agree with you completely about the douches out there just wanting the quick route to getting big. Most of them don't even get there, but what the hell, i give up, let them kill their bodies they're stuck with for the rest of their lives.

but hey i'm stuck with mine so i think i'll take care of it.

 

[dugie65]

BTW this post was not to say ppl should start sooner, it was more that they should WAIT but for a different more logical reason other than some arbitrary numbers

if you fall into that specific reason than GO FOR IT

right right.. i'm very far under 20 but have trained competitively for 3-4 years now. I'm at 191@ 5'8 11%BF but nowhere near the height I want to be... the only thing holding me back. Luckily i'm nowhere near my genetic potential.

 

[cyrex]

I think my next post will be about how an efficient bulking cycle should include a % or 2 increase in fat % we'll see how my though process, and further research goes

 

[maccer]

good thread, been a few recently k