i have both which one should i run w test prop(100mg ed) and tren ace (75mg ed) what do u guys think is better the havoc or oral tbol? both would be run at 30mg. let me know your reasoning why u think which one would b better....my goal is a lean bulk and vascularity. thanks. i have ran havoc before by itself and liked it. didnt know how u guys would compare it to tbol. thanks