**Ross is BACK in the house!**

[*Swifto*]

Well, Ive seen enough second hand blood work to know that anabolic steroids can indeed wreak havoc on a man's natural testosterone/sperm production. Just like anything else, it is mostly genetic(and related to the specific choice of compounds used) that will determine the total effect on the HPTA.

I'm a lucky guy, I have very high natural testosterone levels. Prior to my steroid use at age 20, I had almost 2,000ng/dl! I am not surprised that I am still highly fertile after many years of virtually non-stop steroid use.

Not "2000ng/l" Ross. I've seen you post 1000ng/l. I was at 930ng/l at 19 years old.

 

[Ross]

Not "2000ng/l" Ross. I've seen you post 1000ng/l. I was at 930ng/l at 19 years old.

I've posted it before, I was tested at 1700ng/dl.

At that time, I was supplementing with LJ100, Chrysin, and Tribulus Terrestris. How much of a role these herbs played, I do not know.

 

[*Swifto*]

I've posted it before, I was tested at 1700ng/dl.

At that time, I was supplementing with LJ100, Chrysin, and Tribulus Terrestris. How much of a role these herbs played, I do not know.

Nice bit or marketing there old friend.

I'm sorry, but I doubt your claims. "1700ng/dl" is VERY high naturally. Morsso than pubertal boys.

 

[Ross]

Nice bit or marketing there old friend.

I'm sorry, but I doubt your claims. "1700ng/dl" is VERY high naturally. Morsso than pubertal boys.

So you think I'm lying? If you dig deep enough, you'll find a post that I made years ago...I think even Nelson remembers.

I am a genetic freak when it comes to the HPTA, rarely experiencing significant decreases in endogenous testosterone production even when running extended cycles. I've also never used Nandrolone(Deca) or Trenbolone(Tren), which I also believe played a major role in my HPTA health(post steroid use).

*I should also add, after virtually non-stop steroid use for almost 8 years, I am still 100% fertile, and the proof is the recent abortion.

 

[eliteandy]

I just had mine checked and it was 1 million!

Or was it a billion?

 

[wootoom]

Welcome back bro

 

[slat1]

Mine is below 300 ng/dl. Not fun.

 

[Ross]

Mine is below 300 ng/dl. Not fun.

I'm sorry to hear, have you taken corrective measures?

 

[*Swifto*]

Just becuase you said it Ross. Doesnt mean its fact, far from it. "1700ng/dl" is very high.

Regarding using other AAS besides testosterone preperations and endo. Test. Mine was 480ng/dl on 40mg/ED Tbol after 8 weeks. That was around 3 months back. That did REALLY surprise me.

I'm on cycle now. Ross, are you saying I can begin endo. LH, FSH and T on 40mg/ED AFTER using Test Prop 100mg/EOD and Dbol 15mg/ED? I dont wish for you to post ANY "articles", I've seen them all. But would you suggest using a SERM, such as Tamoxifen, during this peroid aswell, or Tbol alone?

 

[Ross]

Just becuase you said it Ross. Doesnt mean its fact, far from it. "1700ng/dl" is very high.

Regarding using other AAS besides testosterone preperations and endo. Test. Mine was 480ng/dl on 40mg/ED Tbol after 8 weeks. That was around 3 months back. That did REALLY surprise me.

I'm on cycle now. Ross, are you saying I can begin endo. LH, FSH and T on 40mg/ED AFTER using Test Prop 100mg/EOD and Dbol 15mg/ED? I dont wish for you to post ANY "articles", I've seen them all. But would you suggest using a SERM, such as Tamoxifen, during this peroid aswell, or Tbol alone?

FINALLY! You now see that there is a huge difference between HPTA INHIBITION and HPTA SHUTDOWN. I have told you many times that AVERAGE testosterone levels can be maintained when using certain mild anabolics, Turinabol being one of them. I'm glad that your own blood work has finally confirmed this, my old friend.

I would suggest adding Clomid and a very small dosage of Letro, in conjunction with your Turinabol. HCG is complete overkill and should be avoided in this case. It's good to see you here Swifto, and I'm glad that you have opened up to me again.