Voice of reason for the evry statement of using 1/3 less than others. Trust me on this one. The sport will undergo big chnages in the next few years as folks get tired of the doseage needed and pros kick, get sick, or retire because of the needed abuse to make it. The sport has some new yound pros with great lines in the 230 range. Guts won't be allowed and judging will be on what bodybuilding is supposed to be all about " a package from head to toe"