Primo Is Overated!!

[tzan]

PPL really need to stop thinking the drugs do it all. Diet is everything!

I hope you not directing this at me. I'm a huge advocate that ones nutrtion should be the top priority in bb. I'm one that says you can "cut" or "bulk" on any drug, it's all about your diet. I'll post my diet that I ran and you guys could tell me where I went wrong. You will notice all CLEAN cals here:

meal 1-
8 egg whites
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 2-(PWO)
2.5 scoops of protein
75 grams of dextrose

meal 3-
3 chicken breasts
2 slices of wheat bread
1 tbsp of flax oil

meal 4-
3 chicken breasts
1/4 cup of brown rice
1tbsp of flax oil

meal 5-
2 scoops of protein
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 6-
2 chicken breasts
1 tbsp of flax oil

Totals are:
Cals-2960
Protein-370grams
Carbs-190grams
Fats-80grams

 

[khemix]

IMO, you have to try primo first before you say anything, I've ran primo at 600mgs/wk and higher and I'll tell you, I LOVED it - granted Fina of course is stronger /better/cheaper BUT it has horrible sides; with fina, I could barely take a breath at 296lbs...just not a good product.

Run primo for 12 weeks, come back to me and tell me how you liked the results.

Mr.X

It depends on how well your body handles the tren. I ran it for 6 wks along with test enth and got amazing results with very mild night sweats as the only side effect. Since tren is a very powerful androgen it has the likeliness of more severe side-effects. As I said before, it's all dependent upon your own body.

Chris

(PS. If you pay for me 12 wks of primo, I'll be more than happy to let you know how I like it. Until then, I'll drop the $2000 on something that is worth $2000. )

 

[Makavelli]

I can vouch that Tzan is very diet oriented. On several posts he'll make sure that the person asking the question has their diet down.

Tzan, you seem to have the fundamentals of a solid diet there. I would have cut out the bread and rice, but the ratios are good.

 

[Outtlaw]

I don't think primo is total garbage or anything, I just feel for the amount of cash needed, there are much better options ou there. In my opinion I would have been much better by simply running test at 750mg and leaving the primo out.

I could've told you that before hand and saved you the trouble of finding this out the hard way.

 

[karachi183]

I hope you not directing this at me. I'm a huge advocate that ones nutrtion should be the top priority in bb. I'm one that says you can "cut" or "bulk" on any drug, it's all about your diet. I'll post my diet that I ran and you guys could tell me where I went wrong. You will notice all CLEAN cals here:

meal 1-
8 egg whites
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 2-(PWO)
2.5 scoops of protein
75 grams of dextrose

meal 3-
3 chicken breasts
2 slices of wheat bread
1 tbsp of flax oil

meal 4-
3 chicken breasts
1/4 cup of brown rice
1tbsp of flax oil

meal 5-
2 scoops of protein
1/2 cup of oats
1 tbsp of natural pb

meal 6-
2 chicken breasts
1 tbsp of flax oil

Totals are:
Cals-2960
Protein-370grams
Carbs-190grams
Fats-80grams

Not at all!

 

[borg4902]

Dude did you just post 1/4 cup brown rice. That wouldnt fill a cavity. I'd be pissed off just measuring that amount. LOL

 

[tzan]

Mackavelli- Thanks for vouching for me.

Outlaw- Yea, you could have told me that, but the truth is I would have tryed it anyways to find out on my own. It's the same as the people who ignore my results(or simply just chalk it up to my crappy diet and or training) from it.

Karach- Cool!

Borg- The sad thing is you are exactly right. When I eat the chicken with the rice it's like I have litraly 20 strands of rice. It still cracks me up sometimes when I'm eating it.

 

[Joe Stenson]

I hope you not directing this at me. I'm a huge advocate that ones nutrtion should be the top priority in bb. I'm one that says you can "cut" or "bulk" on any drug, it's all about your diet. I'll post my diet that I ran and you guys could tell me where I went wrong.

Totals are:
Cals-2960
Protein-370grams
Carbs-190grams
Fats-80grams

Your diet looks very good...as far as food choices go.

Just like I said before though, there's a difference between eating the right foods and eating the right amount of food. If you only lost 5lbs in 12 weeks your calories were too high for your activity level. I'm not sure how this is shocking considering you're sitting at almost 3000.

I keep posting that calories are the most important thing about diet (as opposed to specific foods) and the majority of people keep disagreeing with me. I don't see how this is hard to understand. A caloric deficit is what leads to weight loss, while the specific macros and training will lead to what type of weight loss this is (muscle vs. fat). In that other thread entitled "cutting pros", krishna posted his diet and it was clean like this as well. He's not seeing the results he wants either. Why? Because his calories are too high. It's pretty simple. I don't know why people think they can get away with overeating as long as the food is "clean".

This is a PERFECT example of someone who was eating well, but not getting results because calories were not where they should have been.

Dude did you just post 1/4 cup brown rice. That wouldnt fill a cavity. I'd be pissed off just measuring that amount. LOL

maybe he means uncooked??

 

[tzan]

Your diet looks very good...as far as food choices go.

Just like I said before though, there's a difference between eating the right foods and eating the right amount of food. If you only lost 5lbs in 12 weeks your calories were too high for your activity level. I'm not sure how this is shocking considering you're sitting at almost 3000.

I keep posting that calories are the most important thing about diet (as opposed to specific foods) and the majority of people keep disagreeing with me. I don't see how this is hard to understand. A caloric deficit is what leads to weight loss, while the specific macros and training will lead to what type of weight loss this is (muscle vs. fat). In that other thread entitled "cutting pros", krishna posted his diet and it was clean like this as well. He's not seeing the results he wants either. Why? Because his calories are too high. It's pretty simple. I don't know why people think they can get away with overeating as long as the food is "clean".

This is a PERFECT example of someone who was eating well, but not getting results because calories were not where they should have been.



maybe he means uncooked??

I get what your saying, but my goal for this cycle wasn't for it to be an all out cutter. Since my bf was already fairly low, I figured with that amount of gear in my system, coupled with the amounts of cals taken in, I would have GAINED more. All I'm saying is If I ran the same exact diet/training/cardio/rest/etc...without the primo, I don't think I would have gotten any different end results. Hence primo=OVERRATED

 

[Joe Stenson]

I get what your saying, but my goal for this cycle wasn't for it to be an all out cutter. Since my bf was already fairly low, I figured with that amount of gear in my system, coupled with the amounts of cals taken in, I would have GAINED more. All I'm saying is If I ran the same exact diet/training/cardio/rest/etc...without the primo, I don't think I would have gotten any different end results. Hence primo=OVERRATED

Ok, ok, I see your point. (I do still hope it helps prove my point in the other thread though).

More or less, you were trying to keep cals around maintenance and do a recomposition of sorts, as opposed to cutting or bulking. In that respect, I AM surprised that you didn't gain any (much) LBM given your diet and the gear you were taking.

With that out of the way, I don't think any steroid is over or underrated. People have different goals and different concerns. Some people put safety ahead of gains, so I don't think primo is overrated to them. Also, it has a reputation as being a very WEAK steroid, so perhaps you were expecting too much out of it?

I don't think people should base their opinions off of others when it comes to gear. It really is up in the air until you've tried it yourself. Some people get night sweats on fina and some don't, some people get EQ hunger and some don't, some get crazy bloat off deca and some don't; you never know whether a certain steroid will be a good choice for you until you try it yourself.