Ox only cycles-What ancilliaries are best/necessary?

[KOArtist]

About to start up a 30mg/day ox cycle (Denkall) for about 65 days. Ive already stocked up on Tyler Liver and some creatine. Ill be getting nolva in a few days for post cycle(or should I take it during too? what dosage?) , and Ill probably add either clomid or some OTC stuff(avena/maca/whatever) to the nolva for post cycle, depending on how some of these OTC post cycle plans "work" for people.

Nolva during/after/both?? Maybe a different anti-e?

Am I missing anything???

Are sexual sides REAL rare, or just kinda rare, and whats best to combat those if Im one of the unlucky?

Any tips/advice hugely appreciated, peace

 

[slobberknocker]

You could run some proviron with it, to avoid libido problems. Plus it would help you look real hard. I'd run clomid post cycle, with liquidex. That's my favorite combo, for a short cycle.

 

[twistedneck]

There is a post going around right now about a guy loosing his drive after a couple weeks of 20mg ED var. bump for KOArtist's recommendation.

 

[KOArtist]

got a link to that post by any chance? Cant seem to find it, and oh yeah, BUMP for answers/suggestions

 

[Biter]

Bump for this one. Good question.

 

[Nelson Montana]

There's absolutely no reason to run an anti-e after that cycle. It'll only make things worse.

 

[KOArtist]

How does that work?? I know there are studies that show Ox will indeed shut you down, so wouldnt the recovery, even if completely unassisted by anything, OTC or not, run a risk of post cycle estrogen "rebound", calling for an anti-e?????

 

[KOArtist]

Also, how would it make things worse?? Would you go so far as to say even the D-glucarate in your "Post Cycle" supplement would make things worse? Let me ask you this, Nelson (or anyone!!!) , if you did an ox only cycle like the one Im about to, what would u take during and post cycle, considering liver sides, cholesterol sides, possible sexual sides, and post cycle recovery plan??? Thanks

 

[KOArtist]

So although ox can shut you down on as little as 2.5mg/day(or do u not even agree with that?), you dont recommend ANYTHING post cycle?? Other than the avena/maca type post cycle supps???

 

[Nelson Montana]

You don't need a bear trap to go fishing.

It's overkill.


Actually, you wouln't even need "Post-Cycle." But Unleashed would be good to get your T going.

Things can get worse because clomid and/or nolva can have detremental effects and a-dex or femera can lower e too much causing a big drop in libido.