overweight newbs. read this.

[wirednutz]

Great discussion bros. This is what a forum is all about...nice info.

 

[Mr.X]

T-rex or thermorexin? there is a difference.

lol, you sure you're not talking about Trex from the AF store, look above...about 4 AF store stickies, click one and see for yourself.

 

[Mr.X]

https://www.anabolicfitness.net/sho...566762f6d11fd9e8f6c2612427ebfb98&subcat=26669

 

[RADAR]

If FONZ was here, he'd put us to shame, remember bro neither of us is a nuclear physics Ph.D. nor a model nor a soccer star.
Damn I hate my life!

LMAO! I hear that plus he would put us in awe by posting out outdated pics of that Fab body of his with the 2 yr old toothpaste in the background!

RADAR

 

[ChefWide]

yes, but you're forgetting one thing: adults need real facts. Even adults have issues, including self-esteem problems, weight problems, even psychological problem, and steroids are not the answer to ANY of those.

Steroids are an AID to intermidiate and advanced bodybuilders to break thru a genetic barrier, they are NOT an aid for day-to-day 'get in shape' activity.

Also, please stop confusing HRT and TRT with rec. steroid use!

Of course AAS use is not the answer in and of itself for the problems you list above.. does that mean that anyone with any of those problems might not in fact benefit from a radical change in their body composition AIDED by the use of AAS? I know that is NOT what you mean to say, but the timbre of your comment does in fact suggest that.. i think, but as you know, i have trouble with the whole reading thing...



Actually, you dont remember lil' ol' me, but i did consult you about the FatFast, repeatedly in fact, and you did in fact get back to me on a few occasions that very day, which was very nice... and, actually, with your guidance it worked great at doing exactly what you suggested it would do....




I know a particular supplement company owner on this board that stated in a public thread the other day that upon occasion when he gets above 15%bf he will 'throw in' Tren into his SELF DESIGNED HRTesque AAS schedule to get down to a hard 10%...

Now... above 15%?!?! thats verbotten according to many of the comments on this thread, isnt it? and TREN!?!? not a part of ANY HRT: unless that HRT is for COWS... anyone that applies a low dose of any AAS that is not directly perscribed by a doctor is engaging in 'REC.' steroid use, no matter how smart the guy is.. right?

Now, that guy is Ulter, his post is still out there for everybody to see, and i am not dissing the guy, i am in many cases FOLLOWING THE GUYS ADVICE.. i think its smart, i think he backs up what he says with very solid experience and research and a true understanding of both risk and limits. But is he wrong to use AAS for his personal use under his own design unless he is 'breaking through a genetic barrier'? I know for a fact the he, as well as I, have ZERO interest in adding ANY mass to our current frames... um.. does that mean that anyone in that situation is wrong to be involved in any 'rec' steroid use?

All that good stuff having been said.. it aint HRT, its recreational use unless you hold a doctors script for EVERY AAS that enters your body. period. and its not being confused at all...





I have read your posts.. i agree with many of them... i will retract any statements as to you making blanket statements... but be that as it may, neither did i make any comments about some kind juice bonanza for 'day to day get in shape activity'...


Your overall message is that there is no place for rec AAS use in individuals unless its to break through genetic barriers? regardless of dose, intent, experience etc? i know thats now what you mean.. er.. is it? As you aptly pointed out, my reading comprehension is for the birds... so clear that up for me, would ya?

 

[ChefWide]

AHHHH This Thread reminds me of the good old Mod debates from years ago....now if only Fonz were here LMAO!!!!!!


RADAR

OH SHIT!! If Fonz were here i would have slipped into acute catatonia already due to the 400+ pages of cut-n-paste hogswallop and selfagrandizing bullshit peppered with comments of his near godlike superiority to all mere mortals...


What an assnozzle...





some of the best posts ever made on this or any other forum are GD's early posts absolutely kicking the stuffing out of Fonz's tall tales of misguided shit..

I used to reread that stuff just to revel in watching fonz wriggle like a slug in salt cellar.

 

[ChefWide]

Also, I believe this thread is turning into me having to quote my own posts and rehash the same information, please read all my posts here before making comments or statements. That goes for everyone.

P.S. ChefWide, I have nothing against your comments, and I think you bring up some good points. I just hope that the newbies on this board read what I said and take that research further to understand the reality of AS use.

YES! DEFINITELY!... i agree with the letter of what you say.. very much so in most cases...

BUT, if they do their research, if the have proper adivice and monitoring.. it DOES not have to be HRT and you dont have to be cranking your way through a genetic barrier to make AAS use both intelligent and useful IN SOME CASES...

that was my only point.. however i may dilute it, thats the twelfth bar of that blues...

 

[muscleup]

good post

 

[Mr.X]

Now, that guy is Ulter, his post is still out there for everybody to see, and i am not dissing the guy, i am in many cases FOLLOWING THE GUYS ADVICE..

I hate to say it, but back to the drawing board we go:

1) Ulter is a vet, at least 10 years of AS use from what I recall (+/-)

2) read below I did the research for you :

You guys have to pay more attention in Elite School. Mr X is right about getting rid of fat FIRST, and the funniest statement here, no flame intended, is "I've had a really hard time gaining when i eat too clean, and i've gained the weight by throwing in some "bad" foods on occassion".

That's right you do lose size when you eat clean. You lose FAT. Throw in some junk and presto you're big again. Not LBM big, just fatter. The people posting that you don't want to diet and get your body fat down because you'll lose gains need to spend some time evaluating that mindset. If you cycle the steroids will HAVE NO AFFECT on your body fat mass. And just because you look in the mirror after dieting and see a smaller body doesn't mean you've lost the LBM you've earned by training. It means you are smaller because you've lost your fat mass.
Get rid of the FAT and THEN cycle. Steroids are not a fattasses remedy to a hard body. It doesn't work like that. Not that VW is a fattass by any means. You look great good bro. Just tighten it up a bit before using that test.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4984166&postcount=25

MY POST he's talking about in that thread:

I would suggest dropping down to 10% bf then bulking up.

Mr.X

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4982406&postcount=7

read my 2nd post:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4984094&postcount=22


There is usually no need to bring other people into conversations, but since you brought up Ulter I wanted to show you that taking everything at face value without research is not wise - as you already agreed.

 

[ChefWide]

I hate to say it, but back to the drawing board we go:

1) Ulter is a vet, at least 10 years of AS use from what I recall (+/-)

2) read below I did the research for you :


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4984166&postcount=25

MY POST he's talking about in that thread:


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4982406&postcount=7

read my 2nd post:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4984094&postcount=22


There is usually no need to bring other people into conversations, but since you brought up Ulter I wanted to show you that taking everything at face value without research is not wise - as you already agreed.

oh, my bad, i wasnt refering to ANY OF THAT... i should have been more clear.. i was refering to this post of his, not a conversation but open advice on the boards:

This question is not asking me what I WOULD do. It's asking me what I do.
Since I haven't been off since July 4 2000 and money is not a factor when it comes to good health and size.

I take 500mg/test 400mg/deca over 10 days. For those in remedial math class that's one shot every 5 days of 250mg enanthate and 200mg of deca.
I take 1mg of arimidex a day or 25mg of aromasin and 50mg of proviron. The proviron varies from season to season and I stop it in various situations. If I need to shut down my sex drive for instance I’ll switch to letrozole and drop the proviron. It’s like a light switch it’s so effective for this purpose. You’d be amazed at how much more you can get done in life when you do this once in a while.
About once every 4 months I will add Eq at 500mg/wk and when I am real adventurous tren at 75mg/day. That’s usually only at the start of summer. Which down here is March 1. That will transform my sluggish 15% into a hard 10% in about 6-8 weeks. Occasionally I was adding T3 for 6 weeks so I could eat more but I don’t think I will be doing that anymore. Sesamax is a much better option for me. I don’t lose any LBM and I can eat. As many are finding out this is a real miracle product.
As far as putting on mass goes that’s just a matter of eating more for me. But I am not putting on mass beyond what I have right about now. I don’t want to carry any more than I have today. IF I did want to go back up I would use the test/deca every 3 days instead of every 5 days and switch the deca to NPP.

Oh... and if YOU reread MY post you will see that my reference to Ulter is ONLY in response to the assertation that no AAS should ever be used above, say 10% and that AAS should never be used as a means to fat loss... uh oh... looks like there might be more than one side to this.. um.. from all of us?!!?

HOLY MOTHER OF FAT LOSS, MR. X! is it possible that as a group of informed individuals WE ALL have said contradictory things on the same topic!?!? That in fact WE do use AAS for fat loss!?!? and at BF%s above 10%!!! HOLY SHIAAAT!


AMAZING! MORE THAN ONE OPINION ON THE SAME TOPIC FROM THE SAME GUYS!







Bro, i was a fat fuck, you knew this as i told ya so, you helped me change that with a direct comentary on the use of a plan of yours that included both thryroid meds and AAS used on a COMPLETELY recreational basis....

... dont feel bad.. it worked in the early stages FOR ME.. did i stick with it? nooooo... of course not, YOU said not to... but under appropriate supervision and with appropriate research, i still maintain that rec. AAS use is not out of the realm of possiblity in ref. to fat loss.



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