New Guy Cycle Questions

[Toptoon1]

Long time listener, first time caller. I suppose I will start off by saying thanks in advance to all that reply. This is a great site full of information and that wouldn’t be possible without all you responders. I have read a lot of discussions here and the pattern seems to be after someone asks a question, the response is usually, what are your stats, So I guess I will go ahead and get that out of the way. Im 26, 5/11, 190lbs, around 20% BF. I have been working out for a year now. My workout is my own twist on Bill Stars 5x5, and is as follows.

Mon: Bench 5x5, Squat 5x5, Dead Lift 5x5,
Tue: Dips, pull ups, leg raises.
Wed: Bench 5x5, Squat 5x5, Dead Lift 5x5,
Thurs: Dips, pull ups, leg raises.
Fri: Bench 5x5, Squat 5x5, Dead Lift 5x5,
Sat: Rest day.
Sun: Rest day.


I also alternate every week. For example one week I will add (barbell curls and dumbbell lat raises) and the next week I will add (Behind the neck military presses and calf raises) So the basis of my workout consists of 4 compound exercises 3 times a week with an emphasis of increasing the weigh small amounts weekly and bi monthly for the 2 exercises I alternate.

I plan on doing a cycle in the future. The actual plan is to do it when I am able to complete my basic 3 lifts workout with no less then 4 plates 225lbs. Of course the one lagging is my bench. But I should be there conservatively in 6 months or so.
So my question is, being as this is my first cycle, is it a decent first cycle? Am I forgetting anything? Does it look like I have all my bases covered? Especially my ideas concerning PCT, cause from what I understand this is where the gains you make go by by, if its not up to par.

Week 1: Test E 500mg - Dianabol 20mgs/day
Week 2: Test E 500mg - Dianabol 20mgs/day
Week 3: Test E 500mg - Dianabol 20mgs/day
Week 4: Test E 500mg - Dianabol 20mgs/day
Week 5: Test E 500mg
Week 6: Test E 500mg
Week 7: Test E 500mg
Week 8: Test E 500mg
Week 9: Test E 500mg
Week 10: Test E 500mg
Week 11: Test E 500mg
Week 12: Test E 500mg


Now im torn between leaving that alone, or tapering it at the end, for example week 11 dropping the Test E to 400mg. And then week 12 dropping it to 300mg. I am also torn between adding Dianabol again week 9-10. I think maybe I should just leave it alone. Its basic and simple. Any suggestions?


Also I was wondering about the following during the 12 weeks.

1: Nizoral shampoo to help prevent baldness.

2: 1 to 1.25 mg of Finasteride a day to help prevent the Test E converting to DHT and thus helping to prevent baldness and enlarged prostate.

3: Low cholesterol diet.(heart attacks are bad)

4: 25mg of Nolva a day to help prevent testicular shutdown in the first place and also prevent Gyno. Or should I just use it as needed for the Gyno and use it for PCT?

Ok what I really need info on is PCT!
From what I understand I want to use HCG and Nolva is this correct? If it is how much and for how long? And also aren’t you supposed to stop one before the other? Something about since an LH mimicking agent is supplied exogenously, the negative feedback signal to the hypothalamus will still tell it to stop making GnRH, and so no natural LH is produced. This is why the product is always used in conjunction with a potent estrogen receptor antagonist like clomid or Nolvadex. When the androgen level in the body has dropped, these antagonists will lower estrogenic response creating a steroid deficit that signals the Hypothalamus to start making GnRH. When it does, after HCG therapy, testicle size is up again and shortly thereafter natural testosterone manufacture should return to normal. But therefore its crucial that users note that though HCG is essential after long cycles, it shouldn't be used without clomid or Nolvadex AND HCG should be discontinued at least two weeks before coming off Clomid or Nolvadex or else it will suppress natural testosterone itself.

I think I got the Cycle down but PCT is making my head spin. Im pretty sure I need HCG and Nolva. So how much of each is recommended and for how long after the cycle?
Also what’s the deal with milk thistle? I understand its to help the liver cause all this stuff reeks havoc on the little guy. How much milk thistle is recommended and is there anything else to ease all these substances on the liver?
Yeah I know im all over the board with this post but im just trying to get it all straight. Your input is greatly appreciated.

 

[joe d]

the cycle looks good. i would personally up the dbol to 30 or 40mg. you need adex during the cycle not nolva. adex dosage should start at .25 eod and be reased in incriments of .25 if needed keeping it eod. you can use hcg throughout the cycle to prevent shrinkage. but i will leave dosage to someone else because i have never used it. i would do the pct like this

14-17 nolva 20mg 2x per day
17-18 nolva 10mg 2x per day
14 -18 pp trs as directed

 

[sweed]

dbol 1-4
test e 1-12
thats a little bit easier! haha ya up dbol to 25-30 mgs.
would like to see you loose some fat before starting tho.
how long have you been working out?? JUST SAW ONLY 1 Year!! Stay off for 5 years minumim before even thinking about AS! Most guys on here wait almost 10 years before starting a cycle!

 

[Cardinal Slin]

looks good to me bro. good luck

 

[2evil]

Nice, well thought out post bro.

I think you should limit your cycle to 10 weeks for the first one.

For HCG use and PCT - I'd read over this: http://bodybuilding.elitefitness.com/ultimate-testosterone-recovery-stack-primordial-performance


Then come back with more questions. Look into the testosterone recovery stack from Primordial Performance. That, with a low dose of nolva will work very well for your PCT.

There is evidence that using Sustain Alpha 3 days on and 3 days off during a cycle will work like HCG. PP isn't really pushing this right now but it sounds promising. (I'll be dooing this during an 8 weeker starting in March. I will post LH/ FSH results here!)

As for the Milk thistle - it's good to run while you're on the orals. 1 gram per day split into 2 doses is generally the recommended dose. I like AI Cycle Support better and it includes the milk thistle as well as a lot of other ingredients for overall health - especially cardio health and lipid support. I use that with Liv52.

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Oh and my reasoning in sticking to what you have planned:
dbol can seriously cause water retention and that's in addition to the testosterone. For a first cycle you should experience some good results from what you have listed and may limit side effects by going with the selected doses.

 

[Toptoon1]

the cycle looks good. i would personally up the dbol to 30 or 40mg. you need adex during the cycle not nolva. adex dosage should start at .25 eod and be reased in incriments of .25 if needed keeping it eod. you can use hcg throughout the cycle to prevent shrinkage. but i will leave dosage to someone else because i have never used it. i would do the pct like this

14-17 nolva 20mg 2x per day
17-18 nolva 10mg 2x per day
14 -18 pp trs as directed

I think I may up the dbol a tad. As far as the Liquidex, which if I am not mistaken is the same as Arimidex (Anastrozole). I don’t think that would be a good choice. From what I understand Nolva does not stop the formation of estrogen, but stops the estrogen from exerting its effects by competitively taking up the receptors for this hormone. This allows them to stop any problems dead in their tracks, acting very fast, but upon discontinuation allowing for immediate influx of estrogen again as well. This has the benefit that it can be used as soon as problems arise, and discontinued when they subside, thereby only reducing estrogen-mediated gains for the time-span of the occurring problem (mostly gyno). on the other hand Liquidex is a Aromatase blocker which will pretty much stop eliminate all estrogen from my cycle. from what I understand you do want some estrogen in your cycle as it heavily promotes strength and gains as well (increases GH, upgrades the androgen receptor, improves glucose utilization). Again from what i understand is that eliminating the estrogen at the level liquidex does will make for cleaner gains but it greatly reduces gains as well, or makes them so much slower. Another reason why i want to go with Nolva is because it was that or clomid. from what i gather Nolva is way stronger pound for pound. And another benefit would be its dual uses. I can use the Nolva incase of Gyno flare ups and also use it for PCT. so it would have 2 uses and cut down on getting alot of different gear. What do you think?

Im not sure about the policy on siteing sources here. I don’t know if its recommended or shunned, but where I got this info(Bodybuilding.com - Big Cat - 43 Full Steroid Profiles!)

 

[joe d]

dont use liqui anything. buy tabs eclenbuterol.com or 4rx.com. if you take to much adex it would completely eliminate estro. dosing it right will not. nolva only stops gyno while on cycle it does have other effects that are good for pct.

 

[Toptoon1]

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[Toptoon1]

dont use liqui anything. buy tabs eclenbuterol.com or 4rx.com. if you take to much adex it would completely eliminate estro. dosing it right will not. nolva only stops gyno while on cycle it does have other effects that are good for pct.

Thanks for the link and the info. That stuff sounds amazing. Looks like it has everything you need for pct in it. As well it should for the msrp. Speaking of the msrp, I have to ask, have you ever patronized the establishment?