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Moya's 2012 Transformation Log

haha RADAR I stopped working out so id get skinny before the contest and then blow everyone out of the water with muscle memory!

Moya, I did personal training and the thing that sucks about building up your clients is that you dont get paid for that time you spend doing tht. So you should relly set time aside to network with people. Training is so easy, you would be good at it for sure.
 
monday 2/27/12
squats
warmups 10x135, 5x205, 2x275, 1x325, 1x375
work
2x425
1x425
2x445
3x3x395

cambered bar curls
19x75 PR on reps, hit failure
10x75

hammer curls... trying to really get the brachiallis to pop...
2x15x10's

had a 'off' meal in the early AM... so off i wont tell... but i feel im leaning out plenty well for the time being so im really more concerned with gaining muscle atm...

felt good with my depth on the squats... i dont think im going to be ready for 500 in a month, but im sure i will set a PR total at least... will do some heavy core work as the only problem i see with my squat form is i tend to lean forward a bit...

im just going to go 250/wk with test e for the duration... plenty for libido, not too much to cause bloat, and with all the other anabolics i dont think i will have any problems with muscle preservation...
 
tues 2/27/12
bench
warmup 10x135, 5x185, 2x3x205
work
3x5x225
2x235
1x245 a good fight...

incline
12x135, failed 13th, tied PR reps
5x155

cgbp
15x135 PR on reps
5x185...

plate fly's
10x25's
incline fly's
10x25's

ez bar standing skullcrushers
15x75
2x10x95

few sets of pullups in between sets...

MUCH LESS time between sets... worked out with my wife... i do set, she does set, move on... active recovery between sets moving plates on and off the bar...
 
Nice job bro,
I keep wanting to rub in yer face how my bench is coming along as I remember you saying you wanted to improve yours... Then I remember your squat kicks the c#*p outa mine and I got a few lbs on you too which makes your lifts look even more impressive!

Lol keep it up bro all lookin good in here! :)


Defeat is the stepping stone to victory.
 
gymjunkie09 said:
a few lbs? try like almost 100 lol....lb for lb moya has to be one of the strongest members on here, I think he squats like 3 times his bw or more :evil:
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Lol yeah I was being modest lol! Yep about 3 times BW give or take a pound or two. Benching nearly twice his BW too. Bloody impressive.


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People usually fail when they are on the verge of success, so pay as much care to the end as the beginning: Then there will be no failure - Lao Tzu
 
Lmao some insane weights going on in here Moya!
Nice work buddy :)
 
Saturday, 3/3/12
bench press
speed reps, not to failure...
15xbar
12x135
10x185
10x205 holy pump!
2x225
10x185
10x185
9x185 failed 10th..
10x155 keep up the speed...
10x135
very little rest between sets...

incline plate fly's
3x10x25's

EZ bar curl
12x75
10x75
inside grips
10x75

bent over rear delt fly's
2x15x10's

didnt have much in me with the reps i did before the heaviest bench set... only about 90 sec. rest between those sets... once i missed a rep @185 i dropped weight so i could keep working on moving the bar fast...
 
Sunday 3/4/12...
squats
10x135
5x135
5x205
3x275
1x325
2x1x375
3x375
left knee didnt feel right so i stopped... i know my water intake has been a bit low, i will get in a real squat session on tues... very frustrated today... i dont LOOK like im gaining fat, in fact my wife thinks ive leaned out quite a bit... however, i had to take my belt notch out a hole today... hopefully thats just because i had eaten an hour before lifting, usually i wait a bit longer to lift after a big meal...
 
Yeah watch those knees bro...only got one set of em. I often don't eat that close to lifting cuz I tend to feel bloated and sometimes makes me more prone to throwing up.
 
Monday 3/5/12
back
pullups
2x10xbw

yates row
10x135
5x205
5x255
3x255
3x275
3x295

cleans
5x135
1x185
1x185 practicing technique more than anything...

BTN press... superset with rear delt laterals
12xbar
10x95
5x115
2x5x135... 2x20x10's
4x135... 20x10's

bi's/forearms
reverse curl
10xbar
12xbar

EZ bar curl
15x75
12x75

hammer curls
2x20x10's
 
Damn bro, that hurt just looking at it!!!


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Nulli secundus - second to none

Honi soit que mal y pense - evil be to him who evil thinks.

People usually fail when they are on the verge of success, so pay as much care to the end as the beginning: Then there will be no failure - Lao Tzu
 


this is the first time ive rowed heavy in months... it is intentionally done explosively if any form nazi's dont like it... i feel the back trains better this way... i do have to use a mixed grip to this heavy, not sure if that will totally ruin my symmetry, but it hasnt so far... i would get straps, but i think it works my grip pretty good too...

i dont feel like ive been neglecting my back so much because i tax it a lot at work... i know you dont see me doing as much for it, but really im not looking to bring it up, just maintain...

its the problem areas that im hitting hardest, areas ive been stuck at for a while like chest/bench and my arms...
 
Can you post a link we can see not seeing it now.
 
I can see it now. Nice brotha!
 
oh, its the way i have always done them... pretty much all back work that way, and my back has always been one of my better parts... deads not as 'explosive' but when u go that heavy how i do my deads its kinda hard to just blow up with the weight...
you can see i get a decent contraction by watching my elbows... my back is plenty sore...
 
obsessedwliftin said:
Interesting take on the rows moya. Definitely would like to see how this works for you.

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I have seen branch warren do them too. It's almost like a combo of pendlay and yate rows.
 
Agreed them rows look like they would work for back kinda like a power shrug would for traps I like them!!
 
update...

3/9/12...
squat
10x135
10x205
3x275
3x325
work, deloaded, working back up 3/2/1 +10lbs/workout...
3x375
2x425
1x425 very easy, deep...


3/10/12...
bench
10x135
3x185
1x205
work
5x225
3x235
1x245 good bar speed
8x205
incline
15x135
10x135


3/12/12...
bench
5x95
5x135
1x185
1x205
1x225
work
1x245 paused, easily pass competition here
1x255 PR
1x260 PR solid lift
5x225
5x225
8x225 very happy with todays progress...

EZ bar skullcrucher s.set/plate fly's
20x75 / 10x25's
15x75 / 10x25's

EZ bar curl
20x75 PR

Reverse bar curl
2x12xbar

Hammer curls
3x20x10's

 
moya said:
update...

3/9/12...
squat
10x135
10x205
3x275
3x325
work, deloaded, working back up 3/2/1 +10lbs/workout...
3x375
2x425
1x425 very easy, deep...


3/10/12...
bench
10x135
3x185
1x205
work
5x225
3x235
1x245 good bar speed
8x205
incline
15x135
10x135


3/12/12...
bench
5x95
5x135
1x185
1x205
1x225
work
1x245 paused, easily pass competition here
1x255 PR
1x260 PR solid lift
5x225
5x225
8x225 very happy with todays progress...

EZ bar skullcrucher s.set/plate fly's
20x75 / 10x25's
15x75 / 10x25's

EZ bar curl
20x75 PR

Reverse bar curl
2x12xbar

Hammer curls
3x20x10's

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nice work, if I remember correctly your bench numbers are up considerably from last year? You must have putting in a lot of work on there in the past year?
 
gymjunkie09 said:
nice work, if I remember correctly your bench numbers are up considerably from last year? You must have putting in a lot of work on there in the past year?
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honestly, i took a while off in November, maybe 2 months without much bench... been back at it for a while now though... and definitely well beyond my previous plateau....
 
Damn moya. I thought the bench was the one thing I had on you. Now I can't even say that with those PRs :evil:

Not that I really had it on you anyway cause I'm 100lbs+ on you. Lol! Strong man. Strong. Nice job breaking through that.
 
the.gladiator1987 said:
is that safe with no lower back support at all?
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my lower back is supporting my body on the bench... im not just sitting up there with back all limp and flopping around... everything is tight...

i suppose if my core can squat and deadlift 450+ then a sub 300 bench should be no problem for it to support... i feel no major strain...

i think a lot of bigger competitive benchers throw a similar arch as well, it just looks smaller in proportion to their body...
 
3/13/12 Tuesday...

pendlay row
10xbar
10x135
10x185
5x235
3x3x235
need to pick it up on these... becoming out of proportion with bench, but that is good because i know i can get this up...

shrugs
12x235
10x285
3x355

deadlifts
1x425 cake...
1x445 smooth...
1x470 "
1x490 (tied on a pair of 10lb dumbells) not that hard, great bar speed; would feel very confident opening here, should easily be good for something in the low 500's...

pullups
14xbw
8xbw

BTN press
5x135
2x3x155
8x135

rear delt lateral raise
25x10's
8x25lb plates

will try and hit some squats tonight... time for some big eats... my waist looks a bit thick right now, honestly though i cant make up my mind if i just wanna keep a leaner bulk going or cut at all...

 
moya said:
3/13/12 Tuesday...

pendlay row
10xbar
10x135
10x185
5x235
3x3x235
need to pick it up on these... becoming out of proportion with bench, but that is good because i know i can get this up...

shrugs
12x235
10x285
3x355

deadlifts
1x425 cake...
1x445 smooth...
1x470 "
1x490 (tied on a pair of 10lb dumbells) not that hard, great bar speed; would feel very confident opening here, should easily be good for something in the low 500's...

pullups
14xbw
8xbw

BTN press
5x135
2x3x155
8x135

rear delt lateral raise
25x10's
8x25lb plates

will try and hit some squats tonight... time for some big eats... my waist looks a bit thick right now, honestly though i cant make up my mind if i just wanna keep a leaner bulk going or cut at all...

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Lmao....you're gonna have to get you some more plates bro, nice work tho looked like you pulled that with ease
 
I'm going to have to take a leaf outa your book bro! Lol you are murdering the iron round here.

Awesome job!!
 
guys i was actually going to do a couple more reps with that but my wife shut off the camera early and the tren told me to get pissed off and i said fuck it, save it for another day... ima try to grab a couple 45's this weekend, there is a place here that sells them used pretty cheap... if i can grip it, its going up... :evil:
 
wed nite 3/14/12
bench
5x135
1x205 paused
1x225 paused
2x245 touch and go...
3x245 grrr...
1x250

incline
12x135

plate fly
8x25's

db front raise
20x10's


sunday 3/17/12
back

pullups
10xbw
5xbw
5xbw+20
curl grip...
5xbw
5xbw+20
super wide grip...
5xbw

pendlay rows
5xbar
5x135
3x205
3x275

deadlifts
1x325
1x375
1x425 too easy...
3x470 cake
1x470 no belt...

EZ bar curls
3x12x75


tues 3/20/12
bench

5x135
2x205
1x225 paused
1x245
1x265 PR... this was pretty hard, probably a true max attempt...
8x225
7x225 +1 assisted

incline
12x135
7x135

EZ bar tri press superset/ incline plate fly
2x (15x75/10x25's)

various light tricep and chest pumping excersises....


upped my tren dose to 150mg eod for the last week of tren...
looking bloated/fat, time to get serious with the cutting, feel ive put on some good size, weighed in @ a solid 160 last week in the AM... though much leaner than when ive been 160 in the past...
 
moya said:
heh, only for the last week... i dont think im gonna make much strength progress once i drop the tren, so i want a chance at that 275 bench... will put up the vid for 265 later tonight... it was pretty tough, so 10 more lbs will be a push...
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this is my first run with tren, i know you have some experience with it...do you keep the majority of your strength gains after dropping it?
 
I did.. But then again I probably haven't hit my genetic full potential strength wise. At least I fucking hope not.
Lol. But my strength kept going up after I finished even in pct and end of last year.

From remembering moya's numbers last year and knowing he had some time off end of last year I'd say he definitely kept hit strength and has improved.

Bench looking awesome, brother! Deadlift is just nasty. You can deadlift TWO of me bro.
 
i can maintain my strength by about 95-99% on a light cruise level of test...
when i did take a little time off, i did lose more than that, but it comes back a lot faster than it took to get there...

i dont expect to get stronger once i drop it... i will finish strong with the mast and var, then cruise a couple months, and i dont plan on making any huge strength gains until i blast again this summer... ...actually looking into trying out some boldenone suspension... i hate long esters... i wanna get there NOW... :evil:
 
Some mental numbers being pushed around in here man. Bloody impressive.


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I 'm impressed ,bro you're getting close to catching up to this old man!

Keep on keeping on!
 
Going to have to agree with Mr.O on this. Those weights are impressive, but I think your form could use some work bro. That bench press is crazy looking. Seems dangerous, especially without a spotter there.
 
playa123456 said:
Going to have to agree with Mr.O on this. Those weights are impressive, but I think your form could use some work bro. That bench press is crazy looking. Seems dangerous, especially without a spotter there.
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According to Mr. Dave Tate that is a text book perfect (power) bench technique.
Good job on that destroya!:qt::evil:
 
Good form for a contest. Not a good form for preventing lower back injury! It cuts your range of emotion down sooooo much! So the lift becomes easier.
 
According to Mr. Tate the lower back thing is a non issue. As for the reduced ROM exactly bro, thats the point.
Now I do agree that it may not be optimal for BBing. But if one is injured in the shoulder girdle then this is the way to bench. Or you could do a modified version (per Dave Tate) where you keep your ass on the bench but still do arch your back, but not nearly to the same degree.
And after all the destroya is a power lifter that competes.
 
I wasn't just talking about the bench form. Those "yates" rows look kind of pointless, unless maybe for a lower back workout lol cuz it is pretty much a deadlift and I remember seeing a deadlift a few months back that he did. It was like 500lbs or something which is pretty impressive, but the bent back hurt me just watching and it was sumo style which also makes it a lot easier. I am not trying to put anybody down. I just don't want to see Moya hurt himself. Going that heavy with poor form is really scary to me. Your numbers are pretty beast for your size and weight bro, definite props there, especially with your squats. I haven't seen any vids of that, but the weights that you do are a lot heavier than I go. I just think that maybe doing a littler lighter weight and keeping good form with a good contraction is more beneficial and safer. I am no expert in powerlifting, but I would assume that you have to keep good form in competitions and if you aren't getting a good contraction, then how can you get any stronger? Just my opinion. BTW, you are looking quite a bit bigger than last years competition. Good job bro, keep it up.
 
No agrument intended bro just carrying on conversation. Your input is always good bro.
 
I've seen Dorian Yates demonstrate the way he does rows and he doesn't move his back, having said that Moya did say he prefers to train that way and even said plenty of peeps wouldn't like the form.

If you wanna check his squat it's on his YouTube channel along with the rest of his vids. Gotta say it looks fine to me, although the bend in the lower back in one deadlift vid did make me wince, although I am very cautious with my lower back. I've had plenty probs down there and don't want em to come back!


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wcjcMr.O said:
thats not a yates row. He would probably laugh at you if he heard you say that. I know your a powerlifter or whatever but damn moya use some form. That is ALLLLLLL MOMENTUM your using. Slow it down and squeeze and that would be DAMN impressive....
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by what mechanism do you believe the weight to travel from point A to point B?... i dont find this weight unfeasable by any means given my knowingly factual stats... but i suppose you know how my back felt contracting and how sore i was the next day...

i suppose cleans are worthless in your opinion too?...

have you ever seen how crossifitters do kipping pullups?... not that it's my thing but it is another great example of the backs dynamic capabilities...

thank you zed...
 
I was thinking the same thing about cleans, pity I forgot to mention it. I do most of my lifts explosively too, as my primary goal is increasing power and speed for which lifting slowly and deliberately would be a hindrance rather than a help. In fact I've only recently dropped clean & jerk from leg day due to my current foot condition. :)
 
moya said:
by what mechanism do you believe the weight to travel from point A to point B?... i dont find this weight unfeasable by any means given my knowingly factual stats... but i suppose you know how my back felt contracting and how sore i was the next day...

i suppose cleans are worthless in your opinion too?...

have you ever seen how crossifitters do kipping pullups?... not that it's my thing but it is another great example of the backs dynamic capabilities...

thank you zed...
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Do you not see that you are using the momentum from your almost full deadlift to get that apparent "yates row" up? It completely defeats the purpose of the exercise.

do me a favor and check this video out. Start it at the 50 second mark and watch for a min. If you can't tell, that is Dorian Yates instructing you on a yates row and telling you that your upper body is not going to move. Just saying......
Yates Row video link
 
Good vid playa, thanks bro!
 
playa123456 said:
Do you not see that you are using the momentum from your almost full deadlift to get that apparent "yates row" up? It completely defeats the purpose of the exercise.

do me a favor and check this video out. Start it at the 50 second mark and watch for a min. If you can't tell, that is Dorian Yates instructing you on a yates row and telling you that your upper body is not going to move. Just saying......
Yates Row video link
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no shit there was some momentum involved... maybe you need to watch my deadlift next to my row... i dont even setup close to the same... on the row i finish with my elbows all the way back and the bar in my belly...

i guess if i was a huge guy doing cheat curls that would be ok though :rainbow: ...do me a favor, dont comment on my lifting until you have trained as a powerlifter, won numerous competitions (both weight class, and overall) and been invited to lift at the Olympia, twice... and been offered a trip to Miami for a photoshoot, which i declined because honestly, im not really into the whole bodybuilding modeling thing and i could care less about looking big if i cant use it functionally... im not a model, im a true athlete...

call it a cheat row for all i care... but if you think im not working my back... ANSWER THIS QUESTION... DO POWER CLEANS NOT WORK YOUR BACK???
 
did a workout today...

shoulders
2x10x flopped my arms around

2x10x swung a bunch of weight for no reason

good workout... wondering how ive gotten so strong because only my joints and ligaments feel sore...

diet today

drank some kool aid and ate a snickers...

guess i need to step it up a bit...
 
moya said:
no shit there was some momentum involved... maybe you need to watch my deadlift next to my row... i dont even setup close to the same... on the row i finish with my elbows all the way back and the bar in my belly...

i guess if i was a huge guy doing cheat curls that would be ok though :rainbow: ...do me a favor, dont comment on my lifting until you have trained as a powerlifter, won numerous competitions (both weight class, and overall) and been invited to lift at the Olympia, twice... and been offered a trip to Miami for a photoshoot, which i declined because honestly, im not really into the whole bodybuilding modeling thing and i could care less about looking big if i cant use it functionally... im not a model, im a true athlete...

call it a cheat row for all i care... but if you think im not working my back... ANSWER THIS QUESTION... DO POWER CLEANS NOT WORK YOUR BACK???
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never seen you do power cleans but if I had, I would probably be cringing at your form and believe me if I was in that competition last year and running as much gear as you, you would not have been in the top 3. I wasn't trying to talk sh!% in my last post, but if you want to take it that way go ahead. I was just saying that how you are doing that exercise, is not getting a good contraction at the spot you want to hit and you are going to hurt yourself if you keep lifting with poor form. I can't believe they let you get away with that kind of form in competitions. You can call it what you want, but sumo style deadlifts with a bent back and backbend bench presses aren't impressive to me at all. You turn that bench into a decline lift... I have deadlifted over 500 with good form, having never touched any gear and I'm 6'2''. Lifting has nothing to do with being an athlete. I'm sorry, but when you are running gear like you do and are on TRT, I don't think you can call yourself a "real athlete".
 
playa123456 said:
never seen you do power cleans but if I had, I would probably be cringing at your form and believe me if I was in that competition last year and running as much gear as you, you would not have been in the top 3. I wasn't trying to talk sh!% in my last post, but if you want to take it that way go ahead. I was just saying that how you are doing that exercise, is not getting a good contraction at the spot you want to hit and you are going to hurt yourself if you keep lifting with poor form. I can't believe they let you get away with that kind of form in competitions. You can call it what you want, but sumo style deadlifts with a bent back and backbend bench presses aren't impressive to me at all. You turn that bench into a decline lift... I have deadlifted over 500 with good form, having never touched any gear and I'm 6'2''. Lifting has nothing to do with being an athlete. I'm sorry, but when you are running gear like you do and are on TRT, I don't think you can call yourself a "real athlete".
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1. that was a generalized question about power cleans... please answer it...

2. you have no proof of your lifts... put up or shut up... you were told that last year when you polluted my log...

3. i lift in untested federations...

4. old video, i dont really do these anymore... my form sucks huh?...

 
Lol why answer a question you know the answer to. Your power clean form there is pretty good, but you still have that bend in the lower back that freaks me out a little. It is not anywhere near as prominent as in your deads though. I would agree that that is good form on the clean. That is what I like to see. and... I would say you have no proof of your lifts too buddy. To me, it doesn't count if you use poor form. If you can't keep proper form, then the weight is too heavy. Maybe some don't think that way, and maybe they even count those in whatever competitions you say you do but it just means nothing to me without good form. Good power clean there though. I have injured myself in the past trying to go too heavy and cheating with my form and I don't like to see it happen to other people.
 
i have no proof of my lifts?... wtf.. i guess all these vids must have been photoshopped? are you drunk? i have vids that back up every lift i have claimed... what did i say i did that i havent shown???? you dont like my row fine, dont tell me it isnt working my back because you cant say that by looking at a video...

tell me, by what mechanism do you presume the weight travel from point A to point B? the bar didnt just jump up off the floor on its own....

...more questions that are way above your head and most likely beyond your comprehension...
 
moya said:
i have no proof of my lifts?... wtf.. i guess all these vids must have been photoshopped? are you drunk? i have vids that back up every lift i have claimed... what did i say i did that i havent shown???? you dont like my row fine, dont tell me it isnt working my back because you cant say that by looking at a video...

tell me, by what mechanism do you presume the weight travel from point A to point B? the bar didnt just jump up off the floor on its own....

...more questions that are way above your head and most likely beyond your comprehension...
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I will tell you how it got from point A to B. You did a jerky deadlift type motion and used the momentum to do something that barely resembles a row.... That lift is working your back.... It's working your spine (ouch) and the lower back lol, neither of which is that lift designed for. I say your lifts aren't proven because in all the videos I've seen other than that power clean above, you use poor form. In my last post I explained that to me it means nothing if you use poor form, which is why I say your lifts aren't proven. I'm not going to keep going back and forth because nothing you can say will change what it is and I wish you the best and hope you don't hurt yourself.
 
That's not fair. I train power lifting but don't have those accolades. But Moya, he's right. Your form in deadlift and those bent over rows need some work. That statement doesn't take away from your strength. Still veeeery strong. But keeping your shoulders back and back tight might take away some of the poundage to save yourself a bit. He didn't mean any disrespect and neither do I.

And you can't compare power cleans to a bent over row. Power cleans are an explosive movement while rows are strictly meant for back with a few other muscles getting hit in the process. You turning the row into an explosive lift defeats the purpose of the exercise. Only benefit I see is that reverting back to proper weight and form might a little easier since the "tonnage" feeling won't be as severe.
 
ChrisUlrich said:
That's not fair. I train power lifting but don't have those accolades. But Moya, he's right. Your form in deadlift and those bent over rows need some work. That statement doesn't take away from your strength. Still veeeery strong. But keeping your shoulders back and back tight might take away some of the poundage to save yourself a bit. He didn't mean any disrespect and neither do I.

And you can't compare power cleans to a bent over row. Power cleans are an explosive movement while rows are strictly meant for back with a few other muscles getting hit in the process. You turning the row into an explosive lift defeats the purpose of the exercise. Only benefit I see is that reverting back to proper weight and form might a little easier since the "tonnage" feeling won't be as severe.
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This is exactly what I was trying to say before all this back and forth started man. I'm not into online pissing contests so don't worry bro, you won't see any more from me about it. You know what I think so it's pointless to keep doing this. Hopefully I will get a chance to workout with wcjmr.o a few times next week (work schedule permitting) and we will post up some vids.
 
THIS IS WORTH REPOSTING:

look let me explain what a deadlift is to you...
it is a hip exercise...
legs, glutes and back are secondary, in that order...
would you like me to explain the entire process?

i train lifts.

corresponding muscle groups are worked this way...
the lifts i do will work the body completely...
everyone in meets has always praised my textbook form...
nobody lifts OVER 3.3x their bodyweight without the weight bearing down upon them to some extent...
can you lift anything even double your bodyweight? your log suggests not... just stating your obvious lack of experience in that department...

this is one of the worlds strongest raw powerlifters... KK




who here says this is not a legitimate deadlift?...
my deadlift is beautiful

 
moya said:
THIS IS WORTH REPOSTING:

look let me explain what a deadlift is to you...
it is a hip exercise...
legs, glutes and back are secondary, in that order...
would you like me to explain the entire process?

i train lifts.

corresponding muscle groups are worked this way...
the lifts i do will work the body completely...
everyone in meets has always praised my textbook form...
nobody lifts OVER 3.3x their bodyweight without the weight bearing down upon them to some extent...
can you lift anything even double your bodyweight? your log suggests not... just stating your obvious lack of experience in that department...

this is one of the worlds strongest raw powerlifters... KK




who here says this is not a legitimate deadlift?...
my deadlift is beautiful

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You know dude, if you think you have "textbook form" and that those lifts are good, then whatever. I give up bro. Good luck to you and your back... There are a few lifts I can do double my weight or more, but I'll tell ya, there'd be a lot more if I was 5'5'' 140 lbs and on unnecessary TRT. I don't go super heavy every day because that would be pointless for my goals. I stay in about an 8-12 rep range usually and get good results, so I don't need to do rainbow back deadlifts and bench presses where just the top of the shoulders touch the bench. I prefer to stay injury free. I don't want to put you down man. I was just giving constructive criticism. Sorry that you couldn't take it.
 
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Looking like you've done that before Moya!! Lol. Awesome pic ;)
 
Kirk-CaptainKirk-Karwoski-USPFNationals-1003SQ@275 - YouTube

Matthew Allen 562lbs Raw Deadlift Attempt - YouTube
all natural lifter here. No gear either. Pretty damn close to 3 times body weight as well.

Being strong has nothing to do with form. Secondary muscles in a lift should still move properly. You don't stick your elbows all the way in bench do you? Keep your elbows in so you don't blowout your shoulder?

Your deadlift is strong but your form is not text book. You could use some work for sure which might make your max go down. But at least you would be doing it right.

No one means any disrespect here man. You're very strong and you do what you do. But you can't put videos and logs up on a public forum and expect everyone to be 100% on board.

By the way, the deadlift is NOT a primary exercise for the hips leaving everything else secondary. That is 100% false.

EDIT: Your 507lbs deadlift is the best video you have of you doing deads.
 
Lol I never said anything about ur deads. I was talking strictly about your "yates" rows lol your deads are good. Your squats are beast. Ur bench looks like a gymnastics backbend warmup. Ur "rows" aren't even rows. Honestly some of the worst form I've ever seen. I will post up some videos for ya Moya. The weight might not be so impressive but at least I will do it right. And IF u copy my form and go heavier, I'll give u props dude. I won't be mad at all. I'll be the first one to tell u ur a damn beast. But throwing around weight that is too heavy with crap form, again I'm talkin ur barbell rows here, is just retarded. I'll post up some vvidwos hopefully later tonight.
 
Ok guys. Time to drop this!
It is clear that we all have our own thoughts and opinions on this subject and WE WILL JUST LET IT GO AT THAT!
If this pointless argument continues there will be time outs issueD. Not a threat just wanna keep the proper spirit here.
Best regards all.
Zed
 
zedhed said:
Ok guys. Time to drop this!
It is clear that we all have our own thoughts and opinions on this subject and WE WILL JUST LET IT GO AT THAT!
If this pointless argument continues there will be time outs issueD. Not a threat just wanna keep the proper spirit here.
Best regards all.
Zed
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You're right Zed, this is Moya's thread. And he is one of the few of the thousands on the forum that posts videos of all his lifts as proof of what he's doing.
 
Dont push it guys. Time outs will happen if I see any more of it at all! That horse had been ridden to death.
 
finishing the cycle strong with a quick cut... feel i have added substantial mass since last year, at least for my frame... not going to be as lean as i would have liked to been but at least in the right places... going to want to a short ester boldenone for my next cycle, probably stack it with mast and a dbol kicker...
this cycle is going to end a little earlier than i had anticipated... like in a week... i will have to take my final pictures a bit early...

havent done much for legs lately... i dont think they grew much if any, though they certainly havent lost size...

did a lot of chest and bi's to bring those areas up, and it seemed to show...

since the tren i have been running...
500mg mast/wk
about 200mg test/wk
60mg var/day, upped to 80mg/day 2 days ago...

much improved vascularity as well... can only imagine if i had done the full recommended cycle that included proviron... and primo!

havent been eating much for carbs on the cut... effecting strength signifigantly with carbs at zero... i so hate dieting...
 
Like this log bro! You have some sick strength. I wish I was strong, but then again I guess strength doesnt matter to much for what I am going for
 
thanks guys...

only a little carbs pre and post workout today... hit back and bi's... will keep the carbs very low the next few days... pretty much nothing but meat and some veggies, but having to ease up on the broccoli (i was eating a ton) because im thinking thats what was bloating me a bit?... seems it helped, thats all i could pin it down to... looking much drier since i cut back on the broccoli... looking a little flat from the lack of carbs but that is OK... strength did seem pretty good for the situation...

tomorrow night im going to Hot Box Yoga with my wife... will probably look really dry and vascular after that :evil:

water intake high, will drop sodium tomorrow...
 
Gr8 job destroya. You added in all the right places and yep bro your one strong mofo!
Nice man!
 
Moya...how was the yoga?? I laughed at the "hot box" part....brought back memories of high school days and other kinds of hot boxes. LOL

I've heard it's tough though!!
 
ugh... it was cancelled... the instructor got stuck in traffic coming back from out of town... she does a hard class, ive done it at gold's before, but not in her 'hot box' studio... my wife goes a few times a week... been dying to try it out but somthing always comes up it seems...

i need a sauna bad, i think we are going to buy one with some of our tax return next year...

some light squats tonight...
 
Really bro?
A sauna of your own?
Man you suck so bad and Im so dam jealous.
Enjoy bro!
 
4 person.....cool bro.
You her and ?????
Cool!
 
moya said:
you can get a pretty decent one for about 3K...

her uncle has a 4 person one that he never uses, she might ask him if he wants to sell it to us...
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Oh just 3k is that all? Why didn't I get one years ago? I lose more than that running for the bus!

;)


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