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Hey lawnsaver what kind of results do you get off 1-2 IU besides fat loss? Any strenth or energy increase? Any sides? Thanks!
Maximizing GH??
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Gh and slin generally do not spike anywhere near the same time and actually often work at reducing each other. As a basic example GH causes lypolosis however, slin is used to shuttle nutrients into the cell, fat and muscle cells alike. These actions are basically opposite reactions.
After a work out glycogen stores are depleted and slin is used to force more nutrients into the cells, hopefully just muscle cells, but if nutrients arent consumed in the proper amount you end up retaining fat as well. Exercise also induces a natural GH spike which helps to promote lypolosis and reduce the chance of insulin storing nutrients in fat cells. However often times the exogeneous slin is simply too much and the GH burst isnt enough to prevent fat storage. With this in mind it may make sense to slightly alter you GH dosing and take it, along with slin, right after the workout. Im looking into this myself for my next cycle.
After a work out glycogen stores are depleted and slin is used to force more nutrients into the cells, hopefully just muscle cells, but if nutrients arent consumed in the proper amount you end up retaining fat as well. Exercise also induces a natural GH spike which helps to promote lypolosis and reduce the chance of insulin storing nutrients in fat cells. However often times the exogeneous slin is simply too much and the GH burst isnt enough to prevent fat storage. With this in mind it may make sense to slightly alter you GH dosing and take it, along with slin, right after the workout. Im looking into this myself for my next cycle.
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I picked this up off of the AnabolicReview Educational threads. Its in insulin.txt by ptbyjason.
INSULIN AND HCA
Getting straight to the point, unless you are a moron and are eating fat during insulin use, or you have crappy insulin sensitivity, HCA is the second most effective fat gain inhibitor next to clenbuterol (which is only more effective due to its' ridiculously long half life). Hydroxy Citric Acid (HCA) is the main ingredient in Citrimax, and is a bargain in terms of its': relative effectiveness (when using insulin), cost (cheap, cheap, cheap), and availability. It works by inhibiting an enzyme called ATP citrate ly(s)ase (ACL), which basically converts ingested carbs to fat (which insulin promptly stores). This is normally NOT a big deal since ACL levels are normally low in most humans. However, insulin drastically increases ACL levels (which should make sense based on what you now know about insulin) accounting for most of the, responsible use, fat gain associated with insulin use. This is the most exciting find since the discovery of insulin as an anabolic! Using insulin and not gaining fat while gaining muscle? What a concept! Although I don't like to go into the details of use directly, I believe it is warranted here. 500-750mgs HCA should be taken with or within half an hour after the insulin shot. The usually recommended 250mgs is ineffective in dealing with the drastic increase in ACL levels. The HCA is taken with the shot because both start to work on about one half hour, so the HCA can begin to be effective at the same time that insulin is trying to increase ACL levels. This regimen (only 3X500mgs HCA) prevented fat gain during a day when I used 3 separate insulin shots! To make things even better there is a mild glycogen storage property associated with HCA use. Since ingested carbs cannot be converted to, or stored as, fat, they are generally stored (due to insulin) as glycogen in muscle giving the user a mild but noticeable pump (similar to the first day of creatine use). To end this portion of the list, I give HCA my highest recommendation as the number 1 supplement to use with insulin!
I'm using the Citrimax with GH and Slin for about 3 weks now. I've put on muscle, gained strength, and my waist is 1" smaller.
INSULIN AND HCA
Getting straight to the point, unless you are a moron and are eating fat during insulin use, or you have crappy insulin sensitivity, HCA is the second most effective fat gain inhibitor next to clenbuterol (which is only more effective due to its' ridiculously long half life). Hydroxy Citric Acid (HCA) is the main ingredient in Citrimax, and is a bargain in terms of its': relative effectiveness (when using insulin), cost (cheap, cheap, cheap), and availability. It works by inhibiting an enzyme called ATP citrate ly(s)ase (ACL), which basically converts ingested carbs to fat (which insulin promptly stores). This is normally NOT a big deal since ACL levels are normally low in most humans. However, insulin drastically increases ACL levels (which should make sense based on what you now know about insulin) accounting for most of the, responsible use, fat gain associated with insulin use. This is the most exciting find since the discovery of insulin as an anabolic! Using insulin and not gaining fat while gaining muscle? What a concept! Although I don't like to go into the details of use directly, I believe it is warranted here. 500-750mgs HCA should be taken with or within half an hour after the insulin shot. The usually recommended 250mgs is ineffective in dealing with the drastic increase in ACL levels. The HCA is taken with the shot because both start to work on about one half hour, so the HCA can begin to be effective at the same time that insulin is trying to increase ACL levels. This regimen (only 3X500mgs HCA) prevented fat gain during a day when I used 3 separate insulin shots! To make things even better there is a mild glycogen storage property associated with HCA use. Since ingested carbs cannot be converted to, or stored as, fat, they are generally stored (due to insulin) as glycogen in muscle giving the user a mild but noticeable pump (similar to the first day of creatine use). To end this portion of the list, I give HCA my highest recommendation as the number 1 supplement to use with insulin!
I'm using the Citrimax with GH and Slin for about 3 weks now. I've put on muscle, gained strength, and my waist is 1" smaller.
lawnsaver
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Good post!! I will look into that!! I still want to know if ALA can be added.
Note: I want to add ALA for its anti-oxidant properties and not just its glucose disposal properties.
HCA sounds promising. I have just read in many studies that HCA did not cause noticable fat lose. Maybe it will work better with higher insuln levels.
Note: I want to add ALA for its anti-oxidant properties and not just its glucose disposal properties.
HCA sounds promising. I have just read in many studies that HCA did not cause noticable fat lose. Maybe it will work better with higher insuln levels.
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