Lost it all. Be carefull people.

[biteme]

Well of course its hard to tell addiction from depression first off and they are intertwined. I was a cognitive depression researcher and of course some of the things we designed to study was substance use, from alcohol calendar to diet drugs and steroids etc...
Also goal orientation, perception of negative events, Beck's depression inventory as to their current feelings, MMPI-2...etc..
The largest longitudinal study that had been done in the university covering prior to them even entering the university.
So Ive studied it extensively. I worked under Dr. Ben Dykman who worked under Dr. Seligman as you'll remember from Seligman's learned helplessness experiments with animals and a box with a wall and an electric field underneath the dogs. In one setting, theyd electrify the bottom of the cage and the dog would jump to the other side and escape the shock.
The next theyd raise the wall and electrocute them and theyd try and try and jump over the wall which at that point was too high. Soon, the dogs would just lie down and take it.

Then the experiment would be that theyd relower the wall to the previous level and shock them where they could easily jump over again. Instead of jumping over. They just laid down and took the electrocution instead of trying to jump over the wall.

They "learned" to be helpless.

That is what cognitive pathways do, they form and it takes quite a bit of unlearning *from the cognitive school* way of thinking about behavior.

There is quite a bit of BF Skinner in what I think as well but its useless I think to really describe the issue of addiction.

Having talked to many people with addiction. The person that really made sense was a chaplain at Providence hospital.

He perfectly described it addiction as a "crisis of the spirit"

Now I cant come close to how he spoke to people and gave them hope where I couldnt, but it was like, to me, holy fucking shit! All my studying and words and he addressed issues of the spirit and people had tears in their eyes.
I wrote it down in a notepad but I cant remember it and I boxes upon boxes of notes.

But what he said about his breaking point, his bottom. He used examples and talked about spirit (from a non-denominational, not religious point of view that you could relate to)
Was that one thing that scientists trying to measure depression and research that we always avoided was spiritual measurements b/c you cant measure them.
Yet, crazy that all of the most effective longterm programs for people to quit addiction has a spiritual aspect to them.

If you are concerned about addiction, the only advice I can give is to find your spirit guide

Poor doggies. Now that I have 2 of them, I can't imagine anyone doing something like that to them. FUck people.

 

[Lestat]

Poor doggies. Now that I have 2 of them, I can't imagine anyone doing something like that to them. FUck people.

they are experiments bro.. these dogs are not pets, they are bred and raised in a lab and know nothing else.


You'd be surprised the shit that is done to live animals in labs man, even the primate labs.. shit has to be done to help us continue figure out ourselves.

 

[biteme]

they are experiments bro.. these dogs are not pets, they are bred and raised in a lab and know nothing else.


You'd be surprised the shit that is done to live animals in labs man, even the primate labs.. shit has to be done to help us continue figure out ourselves.

Yeah I know it and I don't fucking agree with it. It pisses me off. Torturing other creatures in the name of bettering our lives ought to be a short penalty in hell for that. I'm against it regardless.

 

[VascularRock]

Im now working hard at being clean, but I wanted to say to all those guys out there who think that can never happen to them to be carefull. Drugs are powerfull, and they can suck you in before you know it.

I can relate my friend. I won't repeat all of the details again, but if you are interested, check out my post in a previous thread. Thankfully I have been clean and sober for over eight years. I have been clear of the Hep C virus for a little over two years now. I picked up Hep C from a blood transfusion in the mid-seventies after getting my fingers cut off while making a bong. If you are ever having a moment of weakness, be sure to get ahold of us at EF before you decide to throw it all away.

Another buddy of mine is on his way out. Cancer of the liver from years of abuse in combination with Hep C. The cancer has spread to his lungs and lymph glands. He is carrying about 33 lbs. of water and nearly passed away before Christmas from congestive heart failure and pulminary edema. He has made some modest improvements with diueritics. Enough of that.....

Take care of yourself!

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366676

 

[biteme]

I can relate my friend. I won't repeat all of the details again, but if you are interested, check out my post in a previous thread. Thankfully I have been clean and sober for over eight years. I have been clear of the Hep C virus for a little over two years now. I picked up Hep C from a blood transfusion in the mid-seventies after getting my fingers cut off while making a bong. If you are ever having a moment of weakness, be sure to get ahold of us at EF before you decide to throw it all away.

Another buddy of mine is on his way out. Cancer of the liver from years of abuse in combination with Hep C. The cancer has spread to his lungs and lymph glands. He is carrying about 33 lbs. of water and nearly passed away before Christmas from congestive heart failure and pulminary edema. He has made some modest improvements with diueritics. Enough of that.....

Take care of yourself!


http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366676

Damn that sucks. I hope I have the courage to shoot myself in the head if I ever get in that condition.

 

[Razorguns]

1) move to hawaii - hard to extradite
2) get closer to your family
3) move away from those drug-dealing "friends"
4) take care of your health
5) you've done the hard part. Wanting to change. Now quit feeling sorry for yourself, wake-up tomorrow and put your life back together. You're still alive, so reward life by doing something constructive.

 

[Gymgurl]

I can relate my friend. I won't repeat all of the details again, but if you are interested, check out my post in a previous thread. Thankfully I have been clean and sober for over eight years. I have been clear of the Hep C virus for a little over two years now. I picked up Hep C from a blood transfusion in the mid-seventies after getting my fingers cut off while making a bong. If you are ever having a moment of weakness, be sure to get ahold of us at EF before you decide to throw it all away.

Another buddy of mine is on his way out. Cancer of the liver from years of abuse in combination with Hep C. The cancer has spread to his lungs and lymph glands. He is carrying about 33 lbs. of water and nearly passed away before Christmas from congestive heart failure and pulminary edema. He has made some modest improvements with diueritics. Enough of that.....

Take care of yourself!




I have a friend who is in the same situation due to herion use and HepC.......



As for ASS addiction......it would be along the lines of what an eating disorder.......where you can never get big enough and you don't really see yourself the way you are

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[DannoMight]

Good luck bro. I was heavy into some rec drugs for a few years and it took one of my best friends being murdered to finally open my eyes a little and have some control. I still party but nowhere near how I used to. Now its only seldomly booze and daily doses of chronic to calm my nerves.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

wow man. You can talk about what you were addicted to, just not about aquiring or prices, etc.

Your story is scary, mainly because you sound like me. I've got a good job, fit, moral, law abiding.. but I do dabble with some rec drugs at times, I've done coke.. but never really got an urge to do it again after one long weekend. Alcohol and weed are the only things I use, and not too frequently.. alcohol 2-3 times a month, weed a little more often.

I have never had a real addiction (this site is the closest thing actually) and its hard for me to even understand it.. especially when I see what it costs people.

How did you turn into a crimilar, was it just the possesion, or did you actually start committing crimes?

How did you finally get clean?

How would you advise people to avoid what happened to you, stay away altogether, or is it possible to be a casual user of either of those drugs?

Addiction affects everyone differently. I dabbled in coke for a few months in school too, but weighed the pros/cons in my head (cool high, numbies vs. short lasting, expensive, drips, illegal drama potential, etc) and said ahh fuck it.
Habits/addictions can be formed easier depending on a person's surroundings, ease of acquisition, etc though too.

 

[Gambino]

damn