Lol at USA

[digimon7068]

The fact that richer people can afford these things more easily than poor people does not make them more deserving of good health. Just because poor people are more of a drain on government resources does not mean they deserve to die/be sick/suffer.
Health care is a basic human right no matter where you come from, where you live, or how much money you make.
Discriminating against somebody based on their income is as ludicrous as discriminating against somebody because they are genetically inferior. Or a commoner. Or black. Or white.
In some cases it can't be helped. Does not the young child of a laid-off worker deserve medical treatment?
Does not the deaf and dumb person unable to get a job deserve a specialist?
Does not a schizophrenic deserve free medication?[/COLOR]

we've had programs for all of these people for a very long time...and they get the exact same medical attention as anyone else in this country...there are way more "regular" people treated at the cleveland clinic (where robin williams, oprah winfrey, lebron james, prince charles, king hussein of jordan, liza minnelli, etc. have all gone for serious medical problems) everyday, than famous/"important" people.

 

[binö]

speaking of canada, i grew up near the border and met a lotta canadians over the years...good people, fun loving and mostly hard working and easy to chat with.
these folks were hinterland canadians...my love doesn't extend as much to the costal city canadians from montreal/toronto/bc areas...they've always seemed super smug and arrogant (infected with libtardism) which was baffling to me.
i attended a fire academy in texas with a bunch of BC canadian bros who were big time anti-americans and didn't have the composure to keep their opinions to themselves...needless to say, one of our instructors (hard nosed latino texan) overheard their smug talk and became unglued and made us all PT in bunker gear.
we all learned a life lesson that day who was the tough guys and who was the sniveling bitches

 

[brownbrown]

Fixing healthcare is easy. Expand the resources.

More medical school graduates, more medical colleges, more scholarships, more hosptials, more beds, more equipment, more weight loss resources, more foreign docs, more outpatient resources, more nurses, etc.

Thank you all. Remember me next november when Cookie for President comes into your town.

c

so increase Taxes and save from the wars for ifrastructure? Sounds like a good idea..
while we are at it... lets save by not having to pay for others emergency room visits , ie preventative medical care and them paying a portion in their federal of taxes...

 

[mrplunkey]

health problems and complications are not all avoidable, if we could foresee we were going to go deaf, or foresea we were going to have cancer fo a heart probelm we probably woudl do something to prevent it, but many health issues are not easily detectable or foreseable

that being the case, many health issues are going to arise, an my point is that if a health complication does arise, then the rich should not have priority to access to healthcare system becoz they can afford it

i have no agreument against a hard worker having the right to access a health care system, was i do have an issue with is a poor person dieing becoz they could not afford the treatment for there health issue, or living and even lower quality of life becoz they cannot afford simple health treatments

Then according to you, shouldn't the rich not get priority access to safer neighborhoods, safer food and safer cars? Why arbitrarily single-out medical treatment and completely ignore every other aspect of health?

 

[digimon7068]

safer neighbour hood is not a human right, access to shelter is

safer food is not a human right, access to food is

safer cars is not a human right, nor are cars a nescisity, so this is irrelvant as i am debating a human right, not your access to property rights or there effecton your health

having access to better health is not a human right, but having access to health is, basing priority of health of wealth undermines this

this si difference between having a nicer hospital bed becoz your wealthy and not be able to afford to stay in a hospital

there is a difference between not being able to afford a house, and being able to afford the safest house

there is a difference between being able to get food, and being able to get the best food

wat you are suggesting is bascialy against a capitalist system if you think about it, rather wat i suggest is a human right and a corrction to a market failure caused by flaws in capitlaist systems

i am not singleing out anything, i am looking at treatment to health issues, fixing determinants to health issues is a whole other process, but since the american system does not try to fix these determinants, then the other option is give access to health treatment for eveyone

there are different approaches to solving health issues i agree and understand your point, but i am argueing that wateva approach you decide to take, everyone should have equal right to access it, not just those who can afford it

and considering the health care system in america seems to be based more on treating health issues, rather then preventing (as you suggested) then i would argue everyone should have equal access to this treatment, not that those who can afford it can only access it

generally, our constitution allows us access to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...it doesn't say shit about food, shelter, cars, healthcare, etc...for those??? we're on our own. i didn't make up the rules, i just have to live with them.

 

[trex74]

health problems and complications are not all avoidable, if we could foresee we were going to go deaf, or foresea we were going to have cancer fo a heart probelm we probably woudl do something to prevent it, but many health issues are not easily detectable or foreseable

that being the case, many health issues are going to arise, an my point is that if a health complication does arise, then the rich should not have priority to access to healthcare system becoz they can afford it

i have no agreument against a hard worker having the right to access a health care system, was i do have an issue with is a poor person dieing becoz they could not afford the treatment for there health issue, or living and even lower quality of life becoz they cannot afford simple health treatments

Exactly. Preventive medicine can only do so much against the onset of some conditions. We would all like a healthy diet, exercise, safe neighborhood, big car to be our shield against disease, but the reality is that there are other ways to get sick. Why should somebody suffer through no fault of their own? Just because somebody is poor doesn't mean they are lazy and trying to get something for nothing.
Even the ones who develop illnesses that could have been prevented (lung disease from smoking, complications from adult-onset diabetes, heart disease from a variety of factors) deserve our sympathy and support. No one wants to get sick and suffer.

 

[trex74]

generally, our constitution allows us access to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...it doesn't say shit about food, shelter, cars, healthcare, etc...for those??? we're on our own. i didn't make up the rules, i just have to live with them.

Except for the cars, Canada provides all that if you are needy, so i guess we just don't get the 'Amurrican' way

 

[CoBra666]

i think we should kill the homeless.

ps. in alberta my healthcare is 100% free. my dental is free, my doctor is free, my eye doctor is free, my prescriptions are 80% off. my gyno surgery when i was 19 was free. if i want a bigger schlong well that i gotta pay for, regular walk in clinics are free as long as i go no more than once a day, er trips are free, ambulance isnt, they dont do enemas upon request either, but if i need shit in a hurry we have privatized places for the wealthy to get what they want stat. but all the free shit is just because i have a job with a basic health plan. good benefit for doing something. bums i think only get free healthcare in alberta but 100% free

but in the end.. kill the homeless

 

[digimon7068]

Except for the cars, Canada provides all that if you are needy, so i guess we just don't get the 'Amurrican' way

i'm not saying it's right or wrong...i'm just saying that those are the general rules here...and, if people don't like it, immigration is always an option

 

[mrplunkey]

safer neighbour hood is not a human right, access to shelter is

safer food is not a human right, access to food is

safer cars is not a human right, nor are cars a nescisity, so this is irrelvant as i am debating a human right, not your access to property rights or there effecton your health

having access to better health is not a human right, but having access to health is, basing priority of health of wealth undermines this

So let me get this straight... I have a right to shelter, but it can be in a crack house in East LA with bullets whizzing in every direction.

And I have a right to food, but it might be food that is killing me.

And I don't have a right to a car because a car is property, but aren't shelter and food property?

And health care is a right, but "better" (your word) isn't a right? So I can get resuscitated from a heart attack but you won't pay for my open heart surgery to make me better? Or is that included? And if that's included, is a heart transplant included as well?

Somebody's gonna need to write these rules down.