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Got the blood tests back today. My liver values were high. 68 was SGOT 49 was SGPT Normal is 8-42 for SGOT, and 0-40 for SGPT

Do ya'll think that my SGOT's are too high to start a cycle: enthanate/EQ/dbol/?


My previous cycle was 4 weeks ago. It was 5 weeks of primo 200mg/wk/ clen/ eca/ pgf2a


-Stew
 
Stew, why not ask your physician? It's illegal for him to rat you out. Not trying to put down the members of the board, but talking to a doc about the possible risks/damage would probably be the best option.
 
My liver values have always been messed up, checked liver by blood and ultrasound, no change. They suspected hepatitis C, Cirrhosis, etc. Nothing! Just high naturally. Take it for what it's worth.
 
Actually, doctors are legally liable to report criminal activity. That's how it is for psychologists, I would only asume that the same was true for the medical profession.

Besides, of course the doc is going to recomend against it.


-Stew
 
Thanks, Huck... I'm going to start popping Milk Thistle and Evening Primrose and check it again in 3 weeks... Damn this sucks.

I haven't touched anything 17aa in over a year outside of the occasional dbol pre workout. That should have no impact.

I don't drink alcohol. I used to...
I wonder if the pgf2a is hepatoxic.... ?


-Stew
 
I don't know how serious an SGOT of 68 is. I did some reading, though and SGOT can be significantly raised by exercise. Among other things, SGOT is an indicator of skeletal muscle trauma. According to the same piece I read, SGPT's are better indicators of hepatotoxic drug usage. I wonder what the normal SGOT levels are for bb's who are clean? The normal levels in the piece I read were quoted as SGOT 10-34 SGPT 6-59....I think IU/L.
 
Just found another site discussing liver enzyme elevation due to testosterone replacement therapy. According to the author, "By convention, doctors will stop medications if liver enzymes approach three times normal - just as a precaution." I'm not sure how applicable this is to your situation since these are levels for patients who are "on" continuously and are expected to be elevated. High levels when you are off are probably cause for greater concern. If you worked out the day of the test, though, that could account for the high SGOT by itself. I think the author was Walter Jekot. I dunno anything about him.
 
My "A/G" ratio was also out of range. It was 2.2H
Normal is 1.0-2.0
The reason is that my globulin levels are low (antibodies)... that's weird cause I never get sick...

SGPT and SGOT normal ranges that I listed above were what was printed on the results from the blood test.

SGOT: "An enzyme found in skeletal and heart muscle, liver and other organs. Abnormalties may represent liver or heart damage."

I'm going to set up an apointment to get this checked out tommorrow. I am not going to start my cycle till everthing checks out. I could have heart trouble... who knows.


Also, the "BUN" level was abnormaly high. BUN is an indicator of Urea Nitrogen. "A by-product of protein metabolism eliminated through the kidneys. An indicator of kidney function."
I don't know if a high bun is good or bad... its abnormally high. Maybe that just means I am consuming a lot of protein (only 200g/day usually).


THIS IS THE IMPORTANCE OF A BLOOD TEST. NEVER START A CYCLE WITHOUT ONE. Case in point.


lets bump this.

BTW, the test was covered under my insurance plan. They cover one per year. Otherwise, it costs about $70 including the doctor visit.



-Stew
 
Doctors report what they damn well feel like...

Doctors can report anything they find "improper" as they say. A doctor finds a "suspicious" cut on a 10 year old and they contact cps. They are LIBEL by law to report incidents of human endangerment, wether it be yourself or another.

Stew - I'd hit the store shelf remedies and just chill for awhile. Let the guy heal.

rxderrick
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"Liver alone! Get it? Liv-her Alone!" -Scream (The original)
 
Hey Stew, I would hold off on the cycle till it comes down a little or if you start leave out the D-Bol like Huck said. Have you used E2 liver protection method ? I look it up and see if I can find it if you don't already have it. Best of luck my friend :)

M18
 
Thanks alot for the link stew. You've made it alot easier and cheaper for me to get blood tests done now...
 
hey stew did you train the day before the test? i'm asking you that case if you didn't take at least 2 days of total rest the values could be strongly influenced. Having this said exact thing happened to me. I had sgot 77 and sgpt 43. I think it is from the continuos use of eca i had done previously, my doctors told me ephedrine goes through the liver causeit is a metha-anphetamine and it can do that. I started my cycle of test eq primo anyway, got tested 4 weeks after and my values were back just on the upper limit. I suggest you drop ephedrine/clen, take a few days off trainig and repet again.
 
DANG STEW, THAT DOES SUCK. I THINK LIVER SUPPS AND A COUPLE WEEKS SHOULD DO THE TRICK. I'M SURE IT'LL WORK OUT FOR YOU.
 
Stew, I don't think you can make any assumptions on one physical alone. You could have naturally
high levels especially sgot. A lot of people have levels out of kilter i.e. liver enzymes, cholesterol,
triglycerides or whatever. I have copies of results of my last 10 physicals. I think you should take your
history over a period of time and also put in the variables of your lifestyle during that period and then
look at your results in a comparative manner and make an educated decision about what you want to do,.
Your levels could always be high, then again maybe not. Just thought I would toss that in.
 
Stew Meat said:
My "A/G" ratio was also out of range. It was 2.2H
Normal is 1.0-2.0
The reason is that my globulin levels are low (antibodies)... that's weird cause I never get sick...

SGPT and SGOT normal ranges that I listed above were what was printed on the results from the blood test.

SGOT: "An enzyme found in skeletal and heart muscle, liver and other organs. Abnormalties may represent liver or heart damage."

I'm going to set up an apointment to get this checked out tommorrow. I am not going to start my cycle till everthing checks out. I could have heart trouble... who knows.

Also, the "BUN" level was abnormaly high. BUN is an indicator of Urea Nitrogen. "A by-product of protein metabolism eliminated through the kidneys. An indicator of kidney function."
I don't know if a high bun is good or bad... its abnormally high. Maybe that just means I am consuming a lot of protein (only 200g/day usually).


THIS IS THE IMPORTANCE OF A BLOOD TEST. NEVER START A CYCLE WITHOUT ONE. Case in point.


lets bump this.

BTW, the test was covered under my insurance plan. They cover one per year. Otherwise, it costs about $70 including the doctor visit.



-Stew
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Not to minimize your concern,but it is common for hard training athletes,especially weightlifters,to have elevated SGOT/SGPT results,because these are released into the bloodstream as the tiny microtears occur that make our muscles grow.When you are retested,Have the doctor check your GGT level-it is found only in the liver,and a true indicator of liver damage.Also,and elevated serum BUN is normally due to two things in weightlifters-either you were dehydrated when the test was done,or you are consuming a very high protein diet-BUN is one of the products that is excreted when protein is broken down.
You had said previously that you are going to avoid alcohol-a good idea while cycling,but I would also caution you to avoid large doses of tylenol(>1000mg every 4 hours),which is also toxic to the liver.Keep up everything else,and let us know what happens.
 
I guess you guys use different enzyme terminology. We use LDH, AST, ALT. I am currently finishing a course of Accutaine. My LDH was three times (3X) the upper high range, and my AST was fives times (5X) higher. I was wondwering if this was becuasue of GH use because it was the month that I used GH that my enzymes skyrocketed.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Good info bros.

I have been off of ECA/Clen for several weeks now. I did train the day before. I am not going to start my cycle till my levels are normal. I will have my next test done on a Monday and take the weekend off from lifting.
I'm taking 2600mg/day of primrose and 1000mg/day of Milk Thistle.
I seriously doubt that my "normal" SGOT would be that high as that is way outside of the NORMAL range.

This is a very informative thread IMO.


Bump!

-Stew
 
I hate to bump my own post, but....

I've gotten all the info I needed. This is for those who are thinking about a cycle and don't know anything about blood tests and how to get them



-Stew
 
it wasn't the PGF2a

Stew Meat, it was certainly not the PGF2a. I would know. My liver is upset when i take a look at Winstrol and since i was on PGF2a for 8 months (and 10 days) for the past 11 months, this did absolutely nothing for the liver, or the kidneys.
 
Hey stew, check out this post on calcium-D glucarate from the af board. http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/...702093973&f=312093973&m=6380922991#6460963991
I have never used it but it does look like some good stuff. Also try ALA. Unless pgf-2A is hepatotoxic, I would assume that your high sgot levels are from something else besides your liver. I believe that Ulter once said that his doc does not become concerned until your liver values exceed 100 but your doc may see things differently. Good luck and keep us posted.

giantset
 
Went to the doc today... She said liver values were no problem... She said that they were outside of the norm, but not especially high. Instead of telling her I was about to do a cycle, I asked her if it would still be ok to get drunk on the weekends :) She told me that its not a good idea... but my liver values weren't a concern. I asked her if it was ok to go on Accutane... She said that I didn't need it but if I did, they would have to monitor my levels and if my SGOT went too far over 100 they would discontinue treatment...

Well, I don't see that 5 weeks of dbol doin' me much damage so looks like it's gonna be on like a chicken bone in 2 weeks :) I'm taking milk thistle and evening primrose till then and throughout my cycle anyway...


-Stew
 
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