Is it just me or does it seem...

[velvett]

HAHAHAHAH OK the needle wouldn't do anything, ok......... ask you doc. I will ignore your thread on fake breast so you can show off what God never intended you to have.

Dude, don't make comments on things that you know nothing of - it just tells everyone "hey look at me I'm the ignorant ass trying to be cool to gain points with people".

 

[digimon7068]

like the fake kisses are the only people that seem to get ahead in life?

well. . .yeah. . .them and chicks with big boobs.

 

[calveless wonder]

like the fake kisses are the only people that seem to get ahead in life? A lot of BS two faced people seem to get ahead at work etc but yeah solid contributors hard workers people truly leading by example don't get shit. I seen that happen at a lot of place not just work clubs etc....

depends. corporate ladder? absolutely

production based businesses? not really

 

[superqt4u2nv]

QT - sounds to me like perhaps it is time for you to see what else is out there. Once an employee is unhappy they generally tend to become less productive and a negative roundee round is begun (as you have already atested to). No need to get down about what is going on around you. Just take it as a sign that perhaps you have outgrown the company? Put some feelers out. I am thinking that you would probably be pleasantly surprized at how valuable you are in the work world so why not take a look around?

As for ass-kissing; any manager who can't see what is what is a dope pure and simple and goodness knows I've experienced my fair share of this situation. Who hasn't?

I never ever socialized with those that I managed as I never knew when I would have to fire them. If I developed a personal relationship w/them then this would make me less effective management. I mase no bones about letting my entire staff know that I was not there to make friends. I was there to make money. I could care less if they loved me or hated me, bottom line was I was there to help them excell. If they were incapable or unwilling to let me help them then they shouldn't let the door hit them in the ass on the way out. ...worked out exceptionally well for EVERYONE in my department.

Thanks yes I have actually put my feelers out to see what is out there. It could be a blessing as every time I have moved companies I have moved up in both pay so I do see my value. I just find it very hard leaving as for so long I was so sure this is where I was suppose to be and I would be the most successful here.

 

[jnevin]

depends. corporate ladder? absolutely

production based businesses? not really

I don't necessarily agree. Production based business where leads are provided has people that will kiss ass for the better or fresher leads. When it comes to the sales aspect, I've seen so many people that aren't upfront and just kiss up to their customers and tell them what they want to hear. Then they change everything at the end and play it off on everyone else. I can't tell you how many mid 6-figure assholes I know that did that.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Thanks yes I have actually put my feelers out to see what is out there. It could be a blessing as every time I have moved companies I have moved up in both pay so I do see my value. I just find it very hard leaving as for so long I was so sure this is where I was suppose to be and I would be the most successful here.

QT, that is all part of the learning process that is life.

You already have the answers.

Change is a good thing. You've outgrown the company. Think of that as a POSITIVE change as this is something that you never thought you could accomplish (or even thought you would WANT to).

(I am one of those silver lining to every cloud peeps.)

 

[mrplunkey]

I am saying that a number of other applicants were ahead of someone recently promoted to sales manager in our companies key stats such as sales, calls, call time (which is a very big push right now) and web hits. These are stats all sales are measured on. I took a look at the recently promoted individual last 3 months sales vs. mine and another very good applicant. Myself and the other person were both ahead of him he has been here a year less so I took a look at my sales from a year ago at this time I crushed him and I believe so did the other candidate did as well. I am trying to see reason why does he kiss more ass? Yes from what I have seen he does. Does he spend more time outside of the office with other management and the director yes he plays basketball with them every week. Is that what is holding me and others back?

It sucks when it happens, but is sure does happen. Anytime a manager interacts with someone they manage outside of work it creates a bond that makes it more difficult to be objective about that person. But it can work in reverse too -- I remember a guy from Vanderbilt that I would never like or trust professionally because he was the worst lopsided foul-caller on the planet!

There is so much more I mean my manager was like analyze why you were beat out so I did. The last time I was beat out for the role I was not nearly as upset as I could see reasoning on why the other manager was picked. Now I just don’t see why not only upset for myself but the other applicants we used to get full on documented feedback with this is your score here etc etc see where you can improve this was before I started applying for management as my manager should me his first score card he got turned down twice before he got it. I am just extremely frustrated and it is very de motivating for me in general. I really want to bring back my love for this job and the company but it just seem to get progressively harder.

Do be careful about sales to sales manager promotions. Old school thinking was you took the best sales person and promoted them to sales manager. Usually this person became the "super salesperson" for the entire area and didn't spend enough time managing. Newer thinking says you hire a good salesperson, but a great manager to be a sales manager -- and those skill sets are often different. Obviously a sales manager who can't garner the respect of other salespeople will fail. But a sales manager who doesn't understand hiring and firing and who doesn't understand the managerial functions of the roll fails as well. Don't get me wrong either. I have no idea how you or your other peer stacked-up to the ass-kisser in terms of management skills, but do consider that the company may have used a slightly different measuring stick other than sheer sales performance.

And one other question... is sales manager that hot of a job in your company? In a lot of companies it's a license to babysit. You may also find yourself trading pure commission-based work as a sales rep for a more obscure compensation system that has caps as a manager.

Just my 2 cents tho... hope things go well for you regardless!

 

[Spartacus]

plunkey got crowns
I'll be damned

 

[redsamurai]

I wanna stck a needle in all fake boobs.

smooth.............no...............mick golden smooth!!!............

 

[redsamurai]

HAHAHAHAH OK the needle wouldn't do anything, ok......... ask you doc. I will ignore your thread on fake breast so you can show off what God never intended you to have.

so I'm assuming you don't go to the weight room and build muscles that god apparently didn't deem you worthy enough to be born with??


wtf in any case...........show some class bro.