In wk6, AMAZING!! When should I throw in Winny? Test/EQ

[markus18]

Brollys,

I'm beginning wk 6, and this has been one awesome 2nd cycle! Had the best chest workout today, strength and endurance thru the roof! Had to drag myself outta the gym. Really seeing a visual change in appearance this wk and up 16lbs already with a little water retention round the waistline but still have the outlines of my abs. Held off on using aromasin.

Here's my cycle :

1 - 13 test e 500mg/wk
1 - 12 eq 600mg/wk
1 - 6 dbols 40mg/ED
8 - 13 winny 50mg/ED

14 days after last shot = PCT

500iu HCG/10 days
Clomid
Nolvadex

1) Is 12 wks on EQ long enough or should I extend?

2) I'm not exactly sure when to start running the Winny...is wk 8 - 13 good?

3) I've been on a CLEAN bulking diet eating about 3500 calories/day. No cardio at all. Up 16lbs already. I've noticed a little bit of fat gain, could be the water retention from the dbols too, probably now at 11-12% BF.

When I start to run the Winny, can I change my diet to a lower calorie cutting diet to harden up and maximize the EQ vascularity as well?

Will I still put on gains on a lowered calorie diet or is Winny and EQ calorie dependent?

I'd plan to begin cardio in wk 8, 5 days/wk, would this all hinder my gains?

4) By not using an AI which combats the bloat and water retention, will it defeat the purpose of running EQ & WINNY to look hard and vascular?

5) Will the WINNY suck out any extra water retention?

Thanks again bros, will keep updating u on my progress!

 

[Ulter]

Held off on using aromasin.

This is a very bad idea. Water retention is only one of many side effects from all that E you have right now. Take the aromasin or use AIFM.

1. wait until you get there and make your decision then.

2. Yes.

3. Yes. Yes you'll put on LBM but it will slow down considerably. No steroid works without protein. You should learn what steroids are doing to you because from your comments you have no idea.

4. see above

5. No winny doesn't suck out water. Again you should know what effect these drugs have on you before you start taking them. You're mid-cycle and asking NOW?

 

[markus18]

This is a very bad idea. Water retention is only one of many side effects from all that E you have right now. Take the aromasin or use AIFM.

1. wait until you get there and make your decision then.

2. Yes.

3. Yes. Yes you'll put on LBM but it will slow down considerably. No steroid works without protein. You should learn what steroids are doing to you because from your comments you have no idea.

4. see above

5. No winny doesn't suck out water. Again you should know what effect these drugs have on you before you start taking them. You're mid-cycle and asking NOW?

Ulter,
Ok, so I'll start the aromasin right away. I've read on these boards that some people don't use it as it takes away from the strength gains.

As for the winny and other steroids, I thought it promotes protein synthesis, so if I keep my proteins high at 2g/lb of BW and drop my calories to a lean cutting diet at BW * 18, would this still hinder my gains?

I guess what I'm getting at, is I'm packing on the size but for the last month of my cycle, would like to start cutting up to show more of the cuts.

Should I just run the whole cycle through and then diet after?

I've read winny looks the best at a low body fat %, I feel like I've picked up some xtra bf bulking up, can I switch near the end into a cutting diet?

Sorry if I sound ignorant, been researching like crazy and just trying to learn. I took your suggestion in the beginning in another post to run the winny near the end as u said my gains might stall round wk 8-9. Tried asking you more, but nobody else responded.

 

[Ulter]

Anti estrogens do not take away your muscle gains. They take away your bloating. So idiots think because they get bigger when they don't use an AI that it must be limiting their gains.

I suggested you use winny to keep your gains from stalling. Not because it sucks water out of you.

Use the AI you have, aromasin.
Start your winny in 8 through 13 and cut your calories to begin dieting.
Use SesaPure/Glucorell and add Thermorexin while you cut.

 

[mauit44]

Anti estrogens do not take away your muscle gains. They take away your bloating. So idiots think because they get bigger when they don't use an AI that it must be limiting their gains.

I suggested you use winny to keep your gains from stalling. Not because it sucks water out of you.

Use the AI you have, aromasin.
Start your winny in 8 through 13 and cut your calories to begin dieting.
Use SesaPure/Glucorell and add Thermorexin while you cut.

Way to go Ulter