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Bulldog_10
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Couldn't see that coming.
I grew up in a world that didn't have cardio...
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I'm not sure what coast your are on but around here(east coast) we all knew that cocaine was NOT a "health food!" back in the 70's! This sounds like an LA kinda thing! 
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SofaGeorge said:This debate reminds of back in the '70s when I told people that cocaine wasn't good for you... and that it WAS addictive.
I had everybody in the natural foods juice bar tell me I was the biggest idiot on the planet. Cocaine was viewed as a health food back then.
How times have changed.
SofaGeorge
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jboldman said:I'm not sure what coast your are on but around here(east coast) we all knew that cocaine was NOT a "health food!" back in the 70's! This sounds like an LA kinda thing!
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It was pretty much coast to coast in the mid-70s bro. You had those of us who "foolishly" thought of cocaine as an addictive drug - and the medical establishment (lots of doctors!) who "knew" that cocaine was perfectly safe - and shouldn't be illegal.
Even Jimmy Carter was pushing to legalize cocaine because it was harmless. (He dropped that fast when he realized how it could affect his political career.)
I can still remember a number of the top health experts extolling the health virtues of the natural plant product cocaine. Hell, it was destined to become an herbal medicine that would one day be sold on the shelves of every health food store in the country.
Anybody with half a brain knew that.
Bulldog_10
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SofaGeorge said:
It was pretty much coast to coast in the mid-70s bro. You had those of us who "foolishly" thought of cocaine as an addictive drug - and the medical establishment (lots of doctors!) who "knew" that cocaine was perfectly safe - and shouldn't be illegal.
Even Jimmy Carter was pushing to legalize cocaine because it was harmless. (He dropped that fast when he realized how it could affect his political career.)
I can still remember a number of the top health experts extolling the health virtues of the natural plant product cocaine. Hell, it was destined to become an herbal medicine that would one day be sold on the shelves of every health food store in the country.
Anybody with half a brain knew that.
But this isn't really comprable to saying that cardio isn't good for you...it's a fact...
cocaine wasn't studied nearly as extensively as cardio has been over the past few years.
SofaGeorge
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Bulldog_10 said:
Cocaine wasn't studied then? I'm sorry, what is your planet of origin? Medical research didn't begin the day you were born.
It's exactly the same, bro... dogma that isn't supported by fact... but because it is passionately believed by the masses it is considered heresy to speak out against it.
I can also clearly remember listen to a group of doctors discuss the "dangers" of bodybuilding. It was a proven fact that bodybuilding led to conjestive heart failure. Building up all that musle pushed your internal organs in until your heart had no room to beat any more.
Bulldog_10
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SofaGeorge said:
I didn't say it wasn't studied at all...just not on the same level as cardio is now.
You can talk about all the old theories that were wrong all you want...this isn't theory anymore.
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Bulldog_10 said:
You are somehow under the impression that medical studies support health benefits from riding an exercise bike. Many don't.
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"Aerobic endurance training results in reduced body fat, increased maximal oxygen uptake, increased respiratory capacity, lower blood lactate concentrations, increased mitochondrial and capillary densities, and improved enzyme activity."
"Physiological adaptations to aerobic endurance training:
-Respiratory system:
*Enhanced oxygen exchange in the lungs
*Improved blood flow throughout the lungs
*decreased submaximal respiratory rate
*decreased submaximal pulmonary ventilation
-Cardiovascular system
*Increased cardiac output
*Increased blood volume, red blood cell number, and hemoglobin concentration
*Enhanced blood flow to skeletal muscle
*Reduced submaximal heart rate
*Improved thermoregulation
-Musculoskeletal system:
*Increased mitochondrial size and density
*Increased oxidative enzyme concentrations
*Increased myoglobin concentration
*Increased capillarization in muscle bed
*Increased ateriovenous oxygen difference"
-Essentials of Strength and Conditioning, 2nd edition.
There was also a study done, which that book talked about which displayed all of these facts.
If these are adaptations that you don't feel will make you healthier, then by all means, don't do any "aerobic" work...
"Physiological adaptations to aerobic endurance training:
-Respiratory system:
*Enhanced oxygen exchange in the lungs
*Improved blood flow throughout the lungs
*decreased submaximal respiratory rate
*decreased submaximal pulmonary ventilation
-Cardiovascular system
*Increased cardiac output
*Increased blood volume, red blood cell number, and hemoglobin concentration
*Enhanced blood flow to skeletal muscle
*Reduced submaximal heart rate
*Improved thermoregulation
-Musculoskeletal system:
*Increased mitochondrial size and density
*Increased oxidative enzyme concentrations
*Increased myoglobin concentration
*Increased capillarization in muscle bed
*Increased ateriovenous oxygen difference"
-Essentials of Strength and Conditioning, 2nd edition.
There was also a study done, which that book talked about which displayed all of these facts.
If these are adaptations that you don't feel will make you healthier, then by all means, don't do any "aerobic" work...
Jesus christ.
Repeat: Anyone who doesn't think high intensity cardio doesn't help with reducing bodyfat is a moron.
Coming from someone that was formerly obese, running/jogging did far more for me than weight training did in terms of burning fat. The key to burning a lot of calories is continuous high intensity activity, which usually isn't the case with weight training - its usually a few minutes of activity followed by a rest bout for several minutes.
Repeat: Anyone who doesn't think high intensity cardio doesn't help with reducing bodyfat is a moron.
Coming from someone that was formerly obese, running/jogging did far more for me than weight training did in terms of burning fat. The key to burning a lot of calories is continuous high intensity activity, which usually isn't the case with weight training - its usually a few minutes of activity followed by a rest bout for several minutes.
Every generation is willing to laugh at the foolshness of the convebtional wisdom of the past, yet they're unwilling to admit it exists in the present. They want to think NOW, they got in right. Then the next generaton will be the ones laughing.
And by the way, using athletes as examples of cardio conditioning is meaningless for 3 reasons.
One they don't train for bodybuilding purposes. They train to excel at their sport.
Two: It doesn't matter if all that running they do cause shin splints and effusion of the patella nd osteophytes when they're 35. By then, their career is over.
Three: More and more athletes are forgoing traditional aerobics and doing more quick paced (i.e. anerobic) cardio conditioning.
The brain trust who says weight training doesn't burn as many calories as aerobics is simply dead wrong and that's provable.
And finally, there is absolutely no evidece that aerobic activity will extend lifesppan more than any other form of exercise. Let me say that last part one more time for those who are a little slow -- MORE THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF EXERCISE!
Jim Fix did aerobics ervery day. Heart attack at 37. Dead at 42
John Grimick did weight training as his form of exercise until he died at 85.
Bob Hope played golf. Alive at 100.
And Sofas point was excellent about how the medical profession not too long ago had all these asinine theories about the evils of weight training. Now they recommend it. Today they say aerobics are good. The next generation will know better. And people will laugh at what idiots all the people who rode stationary bikes were.
And on that note, I'm out of here. I'll be out of town for a week. Fight amongst yourselves.
And by the way, using athletes as examples of cardio conditioning is meaningless for 3 reasons.
One they don't train for bodybuilding purposes. They train to excel at their sport.
Two: It doesn't matter if all that running they do cause shin splints and effusion of the patella nd osteophytes when they're 35. By then, their career is over.
Three: More and more athletes are forgoing traditional aerobics and doing more quick paced (i.e. anerobic) cardio conditioning.
The brain trust who says weight training doesn't burn as many calories as aerobics is simply dead wrong and that's provable.
And finally, there is absolutely no evidece that aerobic activity will extend lifesppan more than any other form of exercise. Let me say that last part one more time for those who are a little slow -- MORE THAN ANY OTHER FORM OF EXERCISE!
Jim Fix did aerobics ervery day. Heart attack at 37. Dead at 42
John Grimick did weight training as his form of exercise until he died at 85.
Bob Hope played golf. Alive at 100.
And Sofas point was excellent about how the medical profession not too long ago had all these asinine theories about the evils of weight training. Now they recommend it. Today they say aerobics are good. The next generation will know better. And people will laugh at what idiots all the people who rode stationary bikes were.
And on that note, I'm out of here. I'll be out of town for a week. Fight amongst yourselves.
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