I grew up in a world that didn't have cardio...

[Lumberg]

resistance training at some point is just a form of cardio so why split hairs.

Thank you my friend. It's like saying "I hate drinking alcohol so I just drink beer."

 

[Nelson Montana]

Thank you my friend. It's like saying "I hate drinking alcohol so I just drink beer."

No it isn't.

The problem that so many people don't get is that the discussion here is not about the benefits of heart health through exercise. It's about how those benifits can be obtained. And that's possible with weight training, sports or simply an active lifestyle. Traditional "aerobic exercise" is less effective, potentially harmful and ultimately unneccesary. It that's too difficult to comprehend, there really is no need to discuss this further.

 

[Lumberg]

Oh please.......and training with weights isn't potentially harmful?

I'll grant you that cardio for cardio's sake is both less effective and unnecessary if you do other aerobic activities, but potentially harmful? Implying that it's more potentially harmful than lifting weights?

 

[Spartacus]

with my schedule..if I have only about 120 minutes to exercise in a week I'll do 120 minutes of resistance training(3X40)..if my schedule permits and I have more time then I'll do some cardio..maybe 20-30 minutes of running..I like to run outside to get some sun(the pineal gland needs the sunlight)..and often I'll run midday in ~98 degree heat here in alabama to sweat out toxins and excess water(I'll lose about 4 pints/4lbs in 4 miles)..so having said this I guess I prefer a 3-1 split on my time..that is 120 minutes of weight traing coupled with 40 minutes of cardio..but I get my 120 minutes of weight training in first..if the week passes and I haven't done any cardio,then I'll start the next cycle/week anew with the 120 minutes of weight training..I'm an economist and I feel that I get a better return on the investment of my time doing weight training..if I didn't have to work and my gym was open 7 days..I'd do 2 days of weight traing followed by a day of 30 minutes of cardio,then repeat

 

[Ulter]

Holy shit... your doctor is Ray Scruggs? Ulter... I've got many a story to tell you over beers.

I thought you were in Florida? Is Ray in Florida now?

No he's still in Costa Mesa. I converse with him by "phone consultation". He is my wife's endo as well. Great guy he just needs a better business manager.

 

[Bulldog_10]

No it isn't.

The problem that so many people don't get is that the discussion here is not about the benefits of heart health through exercise. It's about how those benifits can be obtained. And that's possible with weight training, sports or simply an active lifestyle. Traditional "aerobic exercise" is less effective, potentially harmful and ultimately unneccesary. It that's too difficult to comprehend, there really is no need to discuss this further.

That is absurd. You're saying that you can obtain BETTER results from just playing sports and being active, than you could following a controlled, precise plan for cardiovascular health?

What if your sport is golf? Basketball? baseball? hockey? They're all going to have different effects on your heart. Whereas if you set up a good cardio program, where you know what your heart rate is, and what percent of your max HR, or VO@max you're working at...then you're going to get the exact benefits that you want.

That's like saying: "You can grow just by getting a job where you lift heavy things, such as a mover, or a construction laborer. But weight training is less effective, potentially harmful, and ultimately unnecessary."

Tell me, how is that any different from just playing sports to get the max benefit for your heart?

Sure, being active will improve the health of your heart...but not as well as a specific, well-designed cardio program.

 

[Ulter]

You get the same level through sports??? As far as I know even the athletes of all sports do cardio.
Can you tell me at what level of sports do the athletes NOT do cardio? Are you talking about T-ball for 5 year olds?

I will admit "in season" most professional hockey player don't. So we'll excuse those in the National Hockey League.

 

[jboldman]

Ulter, we already know that this discussion has gone beyond the rational, good luck trying to get an articulate, well thought out, and supported answer. All you will get is ,"if you do not get it your just plain too stupid to try to convince."

jb

You get the same level through sports??? As far as I know even the athletes of all sports do cardio.
Can you tell me at what level of sports do the athletes NOT do cardio? Are you talking about T-ball for 5 year olds?

I will admit "in season" most professional hockey player don't. So we'll excuse those in the National Hockey League.

 

[SofaGeorge]

This debate reminds of back in the '70s when I told people that cocaine wasn't good for you... and that it WAS addictive.

I had everybody in the natural foods juice bar tell me I was the biggest idiot on the planet. Cocaine was viewed as a health food back then.

How times have changed.

 

[Nelson Montana]

And once again, everyone misses the point, and argues something that wasn't even said.