Honestly, I don't know. I'd have to say 8 or 9 on a scale of 10. Meaning I could easily win pretty much any local or regional show and place top 10 at the national level. I doubt I could turn pro though, those are the guys who are 10's. When I'm lean, I can carry 180lbs with 7%bf on a 5'5" frame with 26in waist, with 17" arms and 25" legs. It's mainly my back that is lacking in width, I have a narrower frame. I've never really tried to see how big I could get, nor have I ever competed, and not sure I ever will, so I may never know. I do know I could easily get to 220lbs with no more than 11-12%bf at 5'5", and that's without doing 2g's/week of juice. If I did 2 or 3g's/week... who knows? Still though, I have good genetics, but sure as hell not the best. My best genetics are in the classroom and the bedroom