HELLO?! your on STEROIDS REMEMBER?

[SilentStrength]

Yo lefler, you the lefler from meso... the name looks familar.................

 

[lefler]

Yo lefler, you the lefler from meso... the name looks familar.................

yes sir..... i always liked meso for the classifieds. i still stop by once in a while.

 

[freag33]

Madcow2, awesome posts. In just a few minutes, you have changed my way of thinking about training, and I'm going to re-plan my workouts in the coming months. I don't have access to a personal trainer (most just repeat the relatively baseless status quo anyways), and I find it a challenge to weed through the countless conflicting advice I read on sites like this.

If the concept you talk of works as well as it sounds, I hope that the community isn't so stuck in its ways that it can't adapt to new ideas - though as you say, they are not new ideas at all, but they sure are to the BB community judging from my 10 years in it.

 

[UA_Iron]

I straight up blast my shit and see good results - it ends up being the last couple sets though, and a lot of it is instinctive with a goal in mind.

 

[Mr_MAX]

good post

 

[OMEGA]

As I understood it roids enhance volume tollerence to a degree, but recovery ability is mostly genetically predetermined.

that why the 3 areas of recovery should be adressed and seperated


1) Connective tissue recovery ( usually taxed through very heavy lifting, takes longer to recover)

2) Muscle recovery ( the actual muscle cells that we all try to develop that recover actually very fast hence the bodybuilder "look" )

3) Central nervous system recovery ( the actual rest and recuperation of the CNS our muscle recruiting fire power for lifting, also recovers somewhat quickly)


4) not really in the top three but "joints" have to be watched in sensitive individuals, but if the top three are taken care of then this wont be a problem

 

[sparetire]

I've been working out body parts 2 times a week forever and now since I have been on aas, I've been only hitting it 1 time a week. I find personally, 2 times is much better. you gain the "internal" strength and not just the "outside" looking strength.

 

[Outtlaw]

To an extent it's important to keep things in context. Is a person merely providing good information or are they pretentind to be some huge built guy. Good information is good regardless of the source. Take a look at golf, the big money winners have guru teaching pros that generally have very limited competitive success. The best coach is not necessarily the best athlete or even a reasonably good one, where he excels is in taking athletes and getting them to perform at their absolute best.

In BBing where there is no performance criteria drugs can compensate in a huge way simply because it's all hypertrophy based. A natural lifter can know 10x more than a guy running around on 3 grams yet to many people they would think the results speak for themselves yet they really don't. I'm a lot more impressed by the people who gain 10lbs off a modest dose of primo or another refined anabolic than I am with the kid that gets 25lbs from a gram of test a week and 150mg of anadrol daily. Shit, look at farmers and their cattle. I have yet to see them on any weight training program but between food and enough drugs they bulk up nicely. Drugs can simply compensate too much when it comes to hypertrophy.

Years ago, I worked right next to a guy who went on to earn his pro card 6 months later. The guy looked fabulous and admittedly had very good discipline with diet and kept himself in good condition. However, this guy knew shit about training. He was unfit to coach a high school team. He never squated, never pulled from the floor (the 2 most fundemental movements for adding mass to the frame), and hardly ever benched. His PT clients made zero progress where mine were doing great. He trained this one Dr. who had been training under him for years and knew a client of mine who had just started training 2-3 months ago and put on some solid muscle. The Dr. had always been bigger than my guy yet one night they were out and my trainee went to put on the Dr.'s jacket and it was too tight. The Dr. got so fed up he went out, got himself some juice and put on 20lbs using the same program and training methodology that had him stagnant before that. Now, most people would look at me at the time and look at this soon to be Pro BBer and think that guy knew it all. However, if you judged our PT client's progress it was night and day. If a knowledgable lifter watched each of us train for even 10 minutes, the truth would be self-evident to him.

What does all this mean - if a given person is providing information and the information is quality and helpful they may not be the biggest and most ripped guy around. Hell, I've had almost 2 years worth of injuries. I couldn't bench over 135 without searing pain for over 10 months. I'm 6'3" 250ish but I'm not in shape and my lifts are shit. I'm also at a point in my life where family and work are my priorities and I lift for personal enjoyment and enjoy seeing others succeed. The information I provide has little bearing on my current physical condition.

However, if a given person is just putting himself out there as a big muscular in shape guy - that's easily proven with pictures.

Very well said. There are plenty of big guys out there that dont know shit other than what their trainer or guru tells them and couldnt help somebody out if they tried. Just because somebody's big, doesnt mean they automatically gain respect from me, and it certainly doesnt mean that I will take their advice with anything more than a grain of salt. There's a big guy in my gym that doesnt know how to train correctly, and as a result he doesnt grow. He's been the same size for the last 3yrs.

Look at what happened with bigdoggmikey just the other day. Bitch posted up a fake pic of a pro and everyone thought he was God. I didnt know he was a fake, but I read his post, and I was still waiting for him to back up his physique with some knowledgable advice when he got busted.

Some of the most important principles I learned about bodybuilding came from knowledgable people who worked in exercise, medical, and supplement feilds who were not bodybuilders. There are only a few people on this board who's advice I value. I dont even really post questions on here anymore because most people simply dont have the knowledge to answer them correctly.

 

[OMEGA]

you gain the "internal" strength and not just the "outside" looking strength.

yes

 

[UA_Iron]

Very well said. There are plenty of big guys out there that dont know shit other than what their trainer or guru tells them and couldnt help somebody out if they tried. Just because somebody's big, doesnt mean they automatically gain respect from me, and it certainly doesnt mean that I will take their advice with anything more than a grain of salt. There's a big guy in my gym that doesnt know how to train correctly, and as a result he doesnt grow. He's been the same size for the last 3yrs.

Look at what happened with bigdoggmikey just the other day. Bitch posted up a fake pic of a pro and everyone thought he was God. I didnt know he was a fake, but I read his post, and I was still waiting for him to back up his physique with some knowledgable advice when he got busted.

Some of the most important principles I learned about bodybuilding came from knowledgable people who worked in exercise, medical, and supplement feilds who were not bodybuilders. There are only a few people on this board who's advice I value. I dont even really post questions on here anymore because most people simply dont have the knowledge to answer them correctly.

wait was that the dude that was inquiring about the heavy tren cycle??