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I figure if Im going to have to pay money for an external hard drive, plus maybe get a new graphics card (in anticipation of Bad Company 2), it may be more efficient to get a new PC.

No, Im not going to put one together on my own as Im sure Ill phuck it up.

Not looking to spend a lot, just something that will keep me in games for the next 2 years until I can upgrade my components again.
 
Hey bro try this site out www.STFU.com BIIIOOOOOOTTTTCCCCHHHHHHH
 
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I use tigerdirect.com Component prices are competitively priced. I haven't built a PC in a few years though but I still get memory and other stuff from them.

I would like to hear what others use. I am in need of a new system and I need a motherboard that can handle 3 hard drives and I do not know if that is possible.
 
Army Vet said:
I use tigerdirect.com Component prices are competitively priced. I haven't built a PC in a few years though but I still get memory and other stuff from them.

I would like to hear what others use. I am in need of a new system and I need a motherboard that can handle 3 hard drives and I do not know if that is possible.
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I know that newegg is popular.

I visited mycustompc earlier and they have what appears to be a good selection at good prices.
 
75th said:
I know that newegg is popular.

I visited mycustompc earlier and they have what appears to be a good selection at good prices.
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Why the fuck are you not acknowledging the website I put you on to? Thats border line being rude BISH.
 
I'll acknowledge it as soon as you acknowledge my repeated requests for you to die via penis stabbing and burn in hell.
 
I buy everything from newegg because they're cheap and local to me. If you want a system put together I would just go find a local no-name PC shop and see how close their prices are to newegg.
 
well newegg won't put a PC together for you will they?

I think the best route to go is to find someone that will put it together for you and buy the parts from newegg. All the other custom pc makers are going to charge at least $3-400 over the price of the whole package.

75th,wait till march to put your shit together. A new line of cards is coming out from nvidia. No, you don't want those cards as nothing will make use of them for at least a year...but all the other cards will come down. You want the 5970 series from ATI. When those cards hit the $300-350 mark, jump. Get yourself a high end core I5 and that ATI card and there's nothin you can't play on max settings. You'll be able to put that rig together for under 1k by the time the price drops hit. You need to do research on the motherboard though. It's the most important piece of the rig.
 
$350 for a card seems steep for the ol' 75th. My nvidia 8500gt I bought for $70 2 years ago and I can play MW2 on medium settings with no problem.

Is it hard to put together a pc? On a scale of 1-10, what would you say?
 
75th said:
$350 for a card seems steep for the ol' 75th. My nvidia 8500gt I bought for $70 2 years ago and I can play MW2 on medium settings with no problem.

Is it hard to put together a pc? On a scale of 1-10, what would you say?
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The difficult part is making the motherboard connections. Figuring out where to connect the Reset/Power/HD light jumpers can be pretty hard. Everything else is very simple.
 
75th said:
I'll acknowledge it as soon as you acknowledge my repeated requests for you to die via penis stabbing and burn in hell.
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I love MAC but for gaming they are lame.
 
Alright you homos, what do you think of this config:



* CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 955 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
* HDD: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
* MOTHERBOARD: MSI 770-G45 AM3 770 Chipset CrossFireX Support DDR3 Socket AM3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II, RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1, & 3 PCI
* MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair or Major Brand)
* SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
* VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 4650 1GB DDR2 PCI-Express DVI-I & TVO [-47] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)

I have a sound card on my comp now that will suffice. All this + Windows 7 for $820 doesnt seem too bad.
 
75th said:
I figure if Im going to have to pay money for an external hard drive, plus maybe get a new graphics card (in anticipation of Bad Company 2), it may be more efficient to get a new PC.

No, Im not going to put one together on my own as Im sure Ill phuck it up.

Not looking to spend a lot, just something that will keep me in games for the next 2 years until I can upgrade my components again.
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If you don't want to build from scratch, but still want a fairly custom rig at a price below something pre-built and full of bloatware (Dell, Gateway, etc.) then I'd say check here first-
Barebone, Barebones, Barebone Computer System Kit, Barebone Kits, PC Barebones, Asus Barebone Kits, Barebone PC, Shuttle Barebone Kits. Mini Barebone PC at TigerDirect.com

That's basically the middle ground between some overpriced bloatware'd thing you'd find at Best Buy and customizing everything yourself from square one.

If you want to learn to build someday though, it really seems a lot more daunting than it actually is. An afternoon of researching should suffice as prep for a basic build; this is a good site to start
as well as the forums

When you're ready head to newegg. The only complaint I have about them is it's hard to find older stuff (even from a couple years ago). I had to get my Q6700 quad from tigerdirect (which is also good but not quite newegg) last summer because they already stopped carrying the 1066 FSB models.
 
75th said:
Alright you homos, what do you think of this config:



* CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 955 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
* HDD: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
* MOTHERBOARD: MSI 770-G45 AM3 770 Chipset CrossFireX Support DDR3 Socket AM3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II, RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1, & 3 PCI
* MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair or Major Brand)
* SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
* VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 4650 1GB DDR2 PCI-Express DVI-I & TVO [-47] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)

I have a sound card on my comp now that will suffice. All this + Windows 7 for $820 doesnt seem too bad.
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That's a pretty weak GPU there for any serious gaming, and how they got the price halfway decent lol.

If you want something that will last years, I'd take Red's advice on the ATI 5000 series cards, unless you'd like 3D gaming and extra physics effects which Nvidia is currently trying to strongarm.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
That's a pretty weak GPU there for any serious gaming, and how they got the price halfway decent lol.

If you want something that will last years, I'd take Red's advice on the ATI 5000 series cards, unless you'd like 3D gaming and extra physics effects which Nvidia is currently trying to strongarm.
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Good man. What about the NVIDIA GTS 250 1GB card? Or should I simply stick with ATI 5000 and above.
 
75th said:
Good man. What about the NVIDIA GTS 250 1GB card? Or should I simply stick with ATI 5000 and above.
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Depends. You'll pay more than you would for something comparable or even slightly better from ATI, but for the time being Nvidia is using borderline unethical tactics to get developers to favor their cards by way of (in some cases) better framerate optimization and additional graphical effects (PhysX). It's really a shame considering ATI's cards imo are ahead of anything Nvidia's put out for over a year now. I hope Fermi fails bigtime and developers start favoring ATI more.
 
I agree, nvidia's irritating. Fermi cards will $500 plus for a long long time. 75th, you can pick an ATI 4850 between $100-120 easy now, and that's "ALOT" better than the 4600 series. In fact, you can get another 4850 in a few months and crossfire them, once you do that...you've got comparable performance to some of the elite cards out there right now. IN fact, I read that ATI is working on a software scheme that will allow you to crossfire cards of different type and generation. Once that happens I think nvidia is buried if they dont' follow suit. On the CPU side, get a high end quad core. My only advice then is to go with a motherboard that can you can than later upgrade to the core series CPU's. Motherboard is the most important component of your build because it is the sole determinant of future upgradeability. You can go with the lower end components now of everything else, but try not to skimp on the MB if you can. Unfortunately this is where my ability to give real good advice ends. I'm still trying to figure out motherboards and the memory setup etc, etc. Than you have to make a decision on what kind of graphics setup you want because most of the motherboards either work with ATI or Nvidia cards. Those that can work with both are super expensive. The whole motherboard/GPU setup isn't something I ever really figured out completely.

And get a cool fucking case. I prefer full towers cause they're tanks and they got great cooling.
 
75th said:
Alright you homos, what do you think of this config:



* CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 955 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
* HDD: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
* MOTHERBOARD: MSI 770-G45 AM3 770 Chipset CrossFireX Support DDR3 Socket AM3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II, RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1, & 3 PCI
* MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair or Major Brand)
* SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
* VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 4650 1GB DDR2 PCI-Express DVI-I & TVO [-47] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)

I have a sound card on my comp now that will suffice. All this + Windows 7 for $820 doesnt seem too bad.
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Sounds good, go get it and save the headache of building one. AMD processors are very underrated IMHO as a current owner. However you can't go wrong with a Intel I5-I7 with turbo boost
 
A dual i7 w/8GB RAM and a couple of SSD disks would be sweetness.
 
redsamurai said:
I agree, nvidia's irritating. Fermi cards will $500 plus for a long long time. 75th, you can pick an ATI 4850 between $100-120 easy now, and that's "ALOT" better than the 4600 series. In fact, you can get another 4850 in a few months and crossfire them, once you do that...you've got comparable performance to some of the elite cards out there right now. IN fact, I read that ATI is working on a software scheme that will allow you to crossfire cards of different type and generation. Once that happens I think nvidia is buried if they dont' follow suit. On the CPU side, get a high end quad core. My only advice then is to go with a motherboard that can you can than later upgrade to the core series CPU's. Motherboard is the most important component of your build because it is the sole determinant of future upgradeability. You can go with the lower end components now of everything else, but try not to skimp on the MB if you can. Unfortunately this is where my ability to give real good advice ends. I'm still trying to figure out motherboards and the memory setup etc, etc. Than you have to make a decision on what kind of graphics setup you want because most of the motherboards either work with ATI or Nvidia cards. Those that can work with both are super expensive. The whole motherboard/GPU setup isn't something I ever really figured out completely.

And get a cool fucking case. I prefer full towers cause they're tanks and they got great cooling.
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Great post Red. The sad part about motherboards (and this is only to elaborate on your point in bold) is even they're victim in some instances to corporate politics, as the 3-way feuding between Intel, Nvidia and ATI sometimes determines what brand of boards will have what features, and in more rare cases what chipset will work best with any given piece of software, games being a relevant example here. Price wise the consumer usually wins, but to make the most of their system they end up having to do more research than they would've had to have done otherwise.

Yeah and full towers ftw. Although my mid still looks and performs pretty badass for $50.
 
For building rigs on a budget:

Micro Center and Best Buy. Check out the deals every week and get your components on special one by one... Some guys will save their cash for months to build a rig while letting many offers and specials pass them by, only to pay MORE for the same stuff when they buy it all at once.

Don't start with a set of components in mind, just see what they have and for how much and build from there. It took me about 2 months to buy all the different parts for my PC but I spent waaaaay less than if I had bought it all on the same day...

I started with a 750 Watt power supply that went on special, then moved on to a Quad-Core that dropped in price down by about 30% and then went on to buying a mother board once I had picked up my processor. I built the rig with a 2gig stick of ram just to get it working and load the OS and two weeks later some Corsair 2gig sticks of PC8500 RAM went on special so I picked up 4 of them.

Just took my time and got it all one part at a time. With your budget, you can build a monster PC if you just hunt for the specials and take your time.

Make sure to match your components well, specially the CPU and MO.


As far as the specs on your system:

-I suggest you go with a 10,000rpm HD or bump it up to a SSD. Even if you get a smaller capacity SSD to run your OS and have a secondary 7,200rpm for storage. I run my OS on a 10,000 Raptor
and a 1.5TB 7,200rpm seagate for data...
With Quad-Cores and systems with 8gigs + of RAM, more and more the HD seems to be the biggest bottle neck for performance in systems today. You can upgrade your memory and maybe not notice much of a difference in performance at all, but putting a faster HD in your rig will be like night and day. It even makes the boot time much quicker.
If you go with a 10,000rpm HD then screw a dedicated HD fan right on that bad boy.

-I'm not a huge fan of AMD or ATI. I own two laptops with AMD processors and ATI graphics and they work just fine, but I still prefer Intel and nVidia for custom builds even if the price is higher... I don't really have much to support this argument other than saying I just "prefer" Intel and nVidia over the AMD/ATI set up.


75th said:
Alright you homos, what do you think of this config:



* CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 955 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
* HDD: Single Hard Drive (500GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
* MOTHERBOARD: MSI 770-G45 AM3 770 Chipset CrossFireX Support DDR3 Socket AM3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II, RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1, & 3 PCI
* MEMORY: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair or Major Brand)
* SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
* VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 4650 1GB DDR2 PCI-Express DVI-I & TVO [-47] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)

I have a sound card on my comp now that will suffice. All this + Windows 7 for $820 doesnt seem too bad.
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75th, what kind of budget we lookin at here? YOu might want to check out this budget system build from Tomshardware. THis is from december 09, so some of these component prices may have actually come down. This one is $700, but now it may very well be lower. At least it'll give you a feel for what kind of components you're looking for that'll put you in the price range you want.

System Builder Marathon, Dec. 2009: $700 Gaming PC : Vanishing Bargains - Review Tom's Hardware
 
redsamurai said:
75th, what kind of budget we lookin at here? YOu might want to check out this budget system build from Tomshardware. THis is from december 09, so some of these component prices may have actually come down. This one is $700, but now it may very well be lower. At least it'll give you a feel for what kind of components you're looking for that'll put you in the price range you want.

System Builder Marathon, Dec. 2009: $700 Gaming PC : Vanishing Bargains - Review Tom's Hardware
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Thanks for the link. The specs I posted above are for a PC that would come to me fully assembled. I was thinking of $700-800 as what I would want to spend, that the website I found fit the bill.

Seems like, with the link you posted, I could probably build one on my own for $600 or so...but the whole me not knowing what the fuck Im doing scenario comes into play. I dont wanna get all the pieces together and end up breaking shit.
 
75th said:
Thanks for the link. The specs I posted above are for a PC that would come to me fully assembled. I was thinking of $700-800 as what I would want to spend, that the website I found fit the bill.

Seems like, with the link you posted, I could probably build one on my own for $600 or so...but the whole me not knowing what the fuck Im doing scenario comes into play. I dont wanna get all the pieces together and end up breaking shit.
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You're up early this morning, Boy. Had any bacon bananas yet, my child?
 
Alright, I was able to put this one together for $915 including shipping and Windows 7. Whats the verdict?

System Configuration :
AMD 64 CPU AM3 : AMD Phenom II 945 3.0GHz (Quad Core) 45nm, AM3 6MB Cache
AMD 64 CPU Fans : Spire Kestrel-King II AMD 64 fan
AMD 64 AM3 Motherboards : MSI GF615M-P33, nVidia 6150, Onboard Video, GB LAN
DDR3 Dual Channel memory : 4GB (2x2GB) PC12800 DDR3 1600 Dual Channel
PCI-Express Video cards : ATI Radeon HD 5750 1GB PCI Express 16x dual head, DVI, HDMI
Hard Drives : 320.0GB Western Digital 7200RPM SATA2 UDMA 300 16m cache
DVD Recorders : Lite On 22x DVD Recorder Dual Layer +R/RW -R/RW
Sound Cards : Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1
Network Cards : Ethernet network adapter (onboard)
Cases : Cooler Master Elite 310 black, Side Window, front USB
Power Supply : Logisys 550W ATX Power Supply w/ 6pin PCI-E
Operating Systems : Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit DVD
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75th said:
Alright, I was able to put this one together for $915 including shipping and Windows 7. Whats the verdict?
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Not sure about how onboard Nvidia graphics will cooperate with a PCI-E ATI card. You can disable them but it still might give some compatibility issues in a worst case scenario. Other than that it looks pretty good man. Only thing I personally might go bigger on would be the power supply, just for future sake if you want to upgrade the gpu again or add more components. Although I don't think the 5750 draws all that much juice, the PSU is right up there with the motherboard for items to never skimp on. 650-700 is about all you'd need, but 550, especially with the newest graphics cards and if you ever want to Xfire them doesn't leave much breathing room.
 
the one thing you need to be careful about and do your research on is the flashing of the bios. Actually installing the CPU doesn't seem like that big a deal unless you have clod hands, but from what i've read the part that trips some people up is the initial flashing, which if I got this right, "could" potentially fry the motherboard? Hansel probably knows more about this and CW's already stated he's asian so it goes without saying that he was cisco cert. by the time he was 17, maybe earlier....so def. get with those guys.

On the hardware front, looks good....I would think with a $915 budget you could do better though. I honestly think the 58's are going to be cheaper in a few months cause the only reason they are over $400 is shortage issues. The originally debuted at $350. Once the shortages are fixed and the new fermi cards come out ATI is going to drop the price to entice buyers. I guess it just depends on how much you're itchin to get a new rig if you can wait a bit or not.
 
Instead of the ATI card (per hansel's comment about the onboard nvidia), what about dual SLI 9500GT cards? Actually ends up being a bit cheaper anyway.

I just dont know if dual cards is as good as a good ATI.
 
75th said:
Instead of the ATI card (per hansel's comment about the onboard nvidia), what about dual SLI 9500GT cards? Actually ends up being a bit cheaper anyway.

I just dont know if dual cards is as good as a good ATI.
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They're not, go with ATI. Go to toms hardware and look at the GPU comparison charts, they've got data on all kinds of cards AND dual and triple configurations. A 5 series ATI will still pwn two 9500's. And I don't think they support dx11 so once developers start writing games in d11 it's over for your 9500's. Check to make sure but I"m almost positive all 5 series cards from ATI are dx11 ready.
 
Ya, Ill just pay an extra $20 for a different motherboard that should work with the ATI.
 
Good idea to switch MB's yeah. About flashing the bios, not needed unless it is causing a known problem. Kinda like a console's firmware update but maybe not even that delicate, it's not particularly dangerous to flash bios (in other words don't do it during a lightning storm), and there are recovery options but it's just not worth it unless it's causing problems, or the update will improve something you really need the board to do. The difference is consoles force you to do their updates to keep current with their mission. On PC's you have a choice.

So speaking of choice, make one between ATI and Nvidia (even though the latter has stuff like PhsyX, imo that's not enough to sway me as a gamer to buy one over ATI). There really is no "perfect" setup with how Intel, AMD(ATI), and Nvidia are these days. An Intel chipset will work about the same with an ATI or Nvidia graphics solution, but best indication for highest compatibility is to look for Xfire or SLI support on the board and go from there. Obviously if you were to get an AMD rig you'd default to ATI.
 
TOTW right here.
 
alright, don't point and laugh at the special kid if I'm way off on this....but don't you "have" to flash the bios initially just to load up the OS?? Until you do that the chip is dead isn't it? I read if you somehow haven't properly seated the CPU and run the flash that it ruins the board.....or am I wrong? Take us through the steps after you've put "Everything" together and it's time to fire the beast up....




hanselthecaretaker said:
Good idea to switch MB's yeah. About flashing the bios, not needed unless it is causing a known problem. Kinda like a console's firmware update but maybe not even that delicate, it's not particularly dangerous to flash bios (in other words don't do it during a lightning storm), and there are recovery options but it's just not worth it unless it's causing problems, or the update will improve something you really need the board to do. The difference is consoles force you to do their updates to keep current with their mission. On PC's you have a choice.

So speaking of choice, make one between ATI and Nvidia (even though the latter has stuff like PhsyX, imo that's not enough to sway me as a gamer to buy one over ATI). There really is no "perfect" setup with how Intel, AMD(ATI), and Nvidia are these days. An Intel chipset will work about the same with an ATI or Nvidia graphics solution, but best indication for highest compatibility is to look for Xfire or SLI support on the board and go from there. Obviously if you were to get an AMD rig you'd default to ATI.
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redsamurai said:
alright, don't point and laugh at the special kid if I'm way off on this....but don't you "have" to flash the bios initially just to load up the OS?? Until you do that the chip is dead isn't it? I read if you somehow haven't properly seated the CPU and run the flash that it ruins the board.....or am I wrong? Take us through the steps after you've put "Everything" together and it's time to fire the beast up....
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I personally throw everything together and fire it up. Though technically all you need to boot to BIOS is the PSU (obviously), CPU, Memory, and GPU (if no onboard is present).

Never had to flash bios as far as I know, just install everything, boot up, set boot priority to DVD drive, put the OS disc in, reboot and install Windows.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
I personally throw everything together and fire it up. Though technically all you need to boot to BIOS is the PSU (obviously), CPU, Memory, and GPU (if no onboard is present).

Never had to flash bios as far as I know, just install everything, boot up, set boot priority to DVD drive, put the OS disc in, reboot and install Windows.
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damn that sounds super easy.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
It is, until the small chance that something isn't working right. Then the real "fun" begins. :)
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Sounds like a great way to sink thousands of dollars worth of your own labor into a PC that will eventually be worth at least $1,600.

:)

I lub you PC guys!
 
mrplunkey said:
Sounds like a great way to sink thousands of dollars worth of your own labor into a PC that will eventually be worth at least $1,600.

:)

I lub you PC guys!
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$1600? lol.

I have a $1500 best buy HP quad core 8 gig right here with 64-bit Windows 7 and it kicks fucking ass. If it's good enoiugh to create your Hollywood CGI crap, it 's good enough for everytihng else :)

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bakemeacookie said:
$1600? lol.

I have a $1500 best buy HP quad core 8 gig right here with 64-bit Windows 7 and it kicks fucking ass. If it's good enoiugh to create your Hollywood CGI crap, it 's good enough for everytihng else :)

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but... but... I want to order every piece individually from newegg so I can flash the bios and sort-out every jumper on the motherboard. I can't wait to debug the fact that my SCSII-2 drives work with my RAID controller, but there's an IRQ conflict with ATI boards unless I pull J8 on the board to remap the on-board video buffer to segment 0xF000. Think of the hours I can spend on the phone with a guy named "Phil" with a super-thick Indian accent who has never even set foot in America. He can break the bad news to me that my desired setup won't work with Windows XP but that the 64-bit driver will be available around Q3 2010. Of course if I'm willing to switch to that -X2 version of the motherboard, it will work great as long as I'm willing to upgrade all the memory to 30nsec DDR-2 which only comes in 2GB SIMMS packages.

If I'm lucky, I could burn the month of March in pure tech support bliss.

:)
 
Oh yeah, and I also want my shiny new R/W DVD drive to only work with my SCSSI controller in CD-R 4x compatibility mode. If I'm lucky, it can mount to the chassis about 1/4 of an inch too far out as well so I've got this peripheral poking through the front door of my box just enough that it won't close.

And I absolutely insist that my wireless network adapter wig-out a couple times a week, so I must remove it then let windows rediscover it via the "Find new hardware" wizard.

These are my terms and I am willing to settle for no less.

:)
 
mrplunkey said:
but... but... I want to order every piece individually from newegg so I can flash the bios and sort-out every jumper on the motherboard. I can't wait to debug the fact that my SCSII-2 drives work with my RAID controller, but there's an IRQ conflict with ATI boards unless I pull J8 on the board to remap the on-board video buffer to segment 0xF000. Think of the hours I can spend on the phone with a guy named "Phil" with a super-thick Indian accent who has never even set foot in America. He can break the bad news to me that my desired setup won't work with Windows XP but that the 64-bit driver will be available around Q3 2010. Of course if I'm willing to switch to that -X2 version of the motherboard, it will work great as long as I'm willing to upgrade all the memory to 30nsec DDR-2 which only comes in 2GB SIMMS packages.

If I'm lucky, I could burn the month of March in pure tech support bliss.

:)
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LOL. sounds like sharkyforums.com!

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mrplunkey said:
Sounds like a great way to sink thousands of dollars worth of your own labor into a PC that will eventually be worth at least $1,600.

:)

I lub you PC guys!
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The cost of a PC plus time/labor put into troubleshooting the rare issue is still less than buying Apple.

Oh, and you should write science fiction horror, because based on your experiences with PC you'd have a goldmine on your hands! Hollywood should be knocking down your door! Razorcookie could edit it all together on his 64 bit Win 7 machine.....that is if he can get it running. :)
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
The cost of a PC plus time/labor put into troubleshooting the rare issue is still less than buying Apple.

Oh, and you should write science fiction horror, because based on your experiences with PC you'd have a goldmine on your hands! Hollywood should be knocking down your door! Razorcookie could edit it all together on his 64 bit Win 7 machine.....that is if he can get it running. :)
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That depends on...

1) How you value your time

2) Whether you see messing with a PC as recreation or distraction

3) How tolerant your workflow is to distraction or interruption

I do a lot of orchestration. If you've got 100+ emails a day flying in all directions, getting hung-up with 30 minutes of PC hassles can really derail a day.
 
mrplunkey said:
That depends on...

1) How you value your time

2) Whether you see messing with a PC as recreation or distraction

3) How tolerant your workflow is to distraction or interruption

I do a lot of orchestration. If you've got 100+ emails a day flying in all directions, getting hung-up with 30 minutes of PC hassles can really derail a day.
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30 minutes seems a bit high lol. 30 seconds seems about right, for example a reboot after an update or in the rarer case a system hang. There are plenty of programs available that keep PC's running tip top. Along the same lines as either spending 20 minutes getting an oil change every few months or 20 hours changing an engine. Maintenance is key.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
30 minutes seems a bit high lol. 30 seconds seems about right, for example a reboot after an update or in the rarer case a system hang. There are plenty of programs available that keep PC's running tip top. Along the same lines as either spending 20 minutes getting an oil change every few months or 20 hours changing an engine. Maintenance is key.
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I thought I was being fair with my 30 minute estimate. I know when we had that EF virus scare a couple of weeks ago, it sure took me more than 30 minutes to d/l the recommended packages and do the scans. I'm willing to bet the average concerned EF'er spent at least 30 minutes on that bug as well.
 
mrplunkey said:
I thought I was being fair with my 30 minute estimate. I know when we had that EF virus scare a couple of weeks ago, it sure took me more than 30 minutes to d/l the recommended packages and do the scans. I'm willing to bet the average concerned EF'er spent at least 30 minutes on that bug as well.
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With ample antivirus protection in place that shouldn't have been an issue. And when I'm running a regularly scheduled scan I still have enough juice to run light apps and browse EF. Maybe not run Crysis but I could always do a load of laundry or make lunch in the meantime.
 
mrplunkey said:
I thought I was being fair with my 30 minute estimate. I know when we had that EF virus scare a couple of weeks ago, it sure took me more than 30 minutes to d/l the recommended packages and do the scans. I'm willing to bet the average concerned EF'er spent at least 30 minutes on that bug as well.
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Have you heard of this new "antivirus" software they're coming out with these days? I hear you can just fire this software up and it actually takes care of the virus's on your computer by itself. Wild huh? I don't know, I'll have to see some data before I give up sifting through my registry line by line the old fashioned way.





























:lmao:
 
redsamurai said:
Have you heard of this new "antivirus" software they're coming out with these days? I hear you can just fire this software up and it actually takes care of the virus's on your computer by itself. Wild huh? I don't know, I'll have to see some data before I give up sifting through my registry line by line the old fashioned way.
:lmao:
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Yeah, it's great watching this Lenovo grind to a halt while I get messages like: "Norton Internet Security is currently performing background tasks."

What's up with the mac hate? I figured a anti-big business lefty type would be all about the Apple lifestyle.
 
well there's your problem, you're running Norton. Go to your local best buy and hit up the geeks, not the guys working for best buy in the computer section.....cause they'll try to shine you on to Trend micro which is equally as worthless. Talk to the actual geeks.

And where did I state any dislike for macs?
 
redsamurai said:
well there's your problem, you're running Norton. Go to your local best buy and hit up the geeks, not the guys working for best buy in the computer section.....cause they'll try to shine you on to Trend micro which is equally as worthless. Talk to the actual geeks.

And where did I state any dislike for macs?
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Seems like I remember something you said about them -- maybe it was something about price.

And I'd rather not run to a local best buy and chat with some tech guy. To me computers are an appliance, not a pastime.
 
mrplunkey said:
Seems like I remember something you said about them -- maybe it was about price.

And I'd rather not run to a local best buy and chat with some tech guy. To me computers are an appliance, not a pastime.
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well yeah they're ridiculously expensive and you can't upgrade them, so I'm not terribly fond of them. If I want proprietary hardware that you can't touch I'll buy a console game system.

And why no love for the best buy geeks? They know what the fuck they're talking about, heck half of em have at one point been in trouble with the law for some kind of virus writing or outright hacking....no joke by the way.
 
redsamurai said:
well yeah they're ridiculously expensive and you can't upgrade them, so I'm not terribly fond of them. If I want proprietary hardware that you can't touch I'll buy a console game system.

And why no love for the best buy geeks? They know what the fuck they're talking about, heck half of em have at one point been in trouble with the law for some kind of virus writing or outright hacking....no joke by the way.
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I haven't been in a Best Buy in a while. Who are these geeks that actually know something about computers that doesn't involve squeezing more cash out of customers?
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
I haven't been in a Best Buy in a while. Who are these geeks that actually know something about computers that doesn't involve squeezing more cash out of customers?
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well see that was my point. The "geeks" are actually seperate from best buy. Best buy bought the company and now houses them in their stores, but technically they are not best buy salespeople, at least not at the one in my locale. These guys will give you the real deal too. THis is a true story.....when I was about to drop cash on my laptop, I was looking at an Asus from best buy...it was a little bit more expensive than the asus I ended up buying from newegg, and it didn't have quite as good cpu or gpu, but real close. The selling point for me was the DD3 memory along with than buying a geek squad protection plan. Well I was under the assumption that all DD3 laptop boards were expandable to 8 gigs as per what I was told and read. About 5 minutes from buying the laptop I reiterated that this was indeed upgradeable, yes? I had mentioned before to the salesman that the DD3 expandability was a crucial point in my decision. Only after I "pointedly" asked him about this particular laptop did he go "oh, right....no this one isn't expandable". And they didn't know why. Enter the geek squad boy that had been not too far off and heard the whole thing. He comes over, flips the laptop over and takes off the back plate. He had it figured in 10 seconds. Asus made this laptop with a DDR2 board and slapped DDR3 on it which doesn't utilize the DDR3 remotely to the fullest and does not allow for expansion. Dude told me to go for the newegg computer.
 
redsamurai said:
well see that was my point. The "geeks" are actually seperate from best buy. Best buy bought the company and now houses them in their stores, but technically they are not best buy salespeople, at least not at the one in my locale. These guys will give you the real deal too. THis is a true story.....when I was about to drop cash on my laptop, I was looking at an Asus from best buy...it was a little bit more expensive than the asus I ended up buying from newegg, and it didn't have quite as good cpu or gpu, but real close. The selling point for me was the DD3 memory along with than buying a geek squad protection plan. Well I was under the assumption that all DD3 laptop boards were expandable to 8 gigs as per what I was told and read. About 5 minutes from buying the laptop I reiterated that this was indeed upgradeable, yes? I had mentioned before to the salesman that the DD3 expandability was a crucial point in my decision. Only after I "pointedly" asked him about this particular laptop did he go "oh, right....no this one isn't expandable". And they didn't know why. Enter the geek squad boy that had been not too far off and heard the whole thing. He comes over, flips the laptop over and takes off the back plate. He had it figured in 10 seconds. Asus made this laptop with a DDR2 board and slapped DDR3 on it which doesn't utilize the DDR3 remotely to the fullest and does not allow for expansion. Dude told me to go for the newegg computer.
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That's cool. Not all of them would do that. I've heard some horror stories lol.
 
ortiz34 said:
LOL@ ASUS putting DDR3 in a wrong MOBO
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Ironically they were recently voted as having the most reliable computer hardware.
 
take a look over on dealsofamerica(dot)com to see what is listed there as a starting point and use that price/spec as a guide.
 
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