H S T, Say What? Thread

[InTraining]

Personally...I like to evaluate a program based on experience(if applicable..I would never do something like 20 sets per muscle group) that is why I will do HST in the near future...

Everyone I have talked to about it on here reports good gains..I wonder why? The only testimonials on the site that are negative usually contain sentences such as " I didn't eat enough on the program" or " I slept 5 hours a night"....Even some of those people claim to have made gains!(small, but still gains)

booey is right when he says this stuff has been around for awhile...HST has used science to try and get the maximum amount of hypertrophy possible...if you don't care about the weights you use(I don't anymore) this program might be for you...

I don't understand how people doing 1x a week for muscle groups can't understand HST..assuming you are going for hypertrophy 1x a week makes no sense to me!!A muscle usually recovers in 36-48 hours after exercise...doesn't need 7 days before working it again...what is the point of doing 15-20 sets per muscle group..if someone could explain that to me I would be glad to hear it

I am kind of jumping on the HST bandwagon and I'm fine with that...I have tried a lot of programs and have gotten gains out of all of them..even high volume worked for a little while

Sorry for rant\long post

 

[TheOak84]

Shouldn't knock it before you try it? I've never driven a Ford Escort, but I know it's not the next car I will buy.

you cant relate cars to lifitng, theres too much science behind lifting.

and whats bad about an escort? its not as fast as a mustang (which also suck dick), but has better gas milage. anyway, that doesnt even make sense.

y dont u put ur ego aside for 8 weeks and try it. its not like ur competing for anything, so u really dont have anything to lose. if ur training for fun, or size, or health or w/e, try it at least once. 2 sets a day isnt enough for strenght and endurance, but its enough to add a few extra pounds fast.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

god damnit posts shoudl be limited to 3 lines lol...j/k
scientifically it may be proven that a muscle recovers within 36-48 hours but if your hitting the muscle with more than 2 working sets i cant see how you can hit it again 3-4 days later..im using myslef as an example i squat on mondays and pull on thursday..my quads are just about ready for deads on thurs but i dont think i would be able to squat again..once im done with ed coans dl program im looking inot a russian squat program that squats 2x per week and the volume is super high ( im gonna save that for when i hop back on my super supps )

 

[TheOak84]

god damnit posts shoudl be limited to 3 lines lol...j/k
scientifically it may be proven that a muscle recovers within 36-48 hours but if your hitting the muscle with more than 2 working sets i cant see how you can hit it again 3-4 days later..im using myslef as an example i squat on mondays and pull on thursday..my quads are just about ready for deads on thurs but i dont think i would be able to squat again..once im done with ed coans dl program im looking inot a russian squat program that squats 2x per week and the volume is super high ( im gonna save that for when i hop back on my super supps )

i think extra volume is a waste and drains you for no reason. i use 9 sets every 3 days can i gain strenght and recover in enough time.

maybe some people can handle more volume better. but i hate people who say 'I NEEEEEEED high volume to grow" when they arent growing at all, anor/or gaining 1 pound a month and porgressing very little on the lifts.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

i think extra volume is a waste and drains you for no reason. i use 9 sets every 3 days can i gain strenght and recover in enough time.

maybe some people can handle more volume better. but i hate people who say 'I NEEEEEEED high volume to grow" when they arent growing at all, anor/or gaining 1 pound a month and porgressing very little on the lifts.

did i say i need hi volume to grow?? you hst loyalists are so damn touchy lol
im on 5x5 and i can tell you i can barely walk the next day after squatting..no way i can squat 3 days later..thats 9 sets also in the 5x5 routine...i dont want to slam hst because ive never done it but some feel its the only way to make gains, which puzzles me...

 

[halfaclue]

some feel its the only way to make gains, which puzzles me...

I agree with you there...I am seeing a lot of hype but I am willing to try it because like I said before..its 6 weeks really to notice if it is for you or not...and if the results work for me like some people and I gain 5-10 lbs a cycle of this then damn right I am going to stay on it.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

No one is saying it's the only way to make gains, save maybe Casual. I only say this because I don't know if he's tried anything outside of HST. I know I have, Oak has and so has Debaser. However, it is the optimal way to gains as shown in the lab, through science and results of those who have tried it.

It's getting old, people debating this. Either try the fucking program, or don't. Be stubborn and think you're making the best gains of your life now. Whatever. It's been exhausted.

 

[TheOak84]

w2bb - i was acutally giving u my opinion on super high volume

im not an hst loyalist - i did it once, and i stated i use 9 sets per muscle currently.

and i wasnt directing my opinion toward you or anyone on the board, but people like that do exhist.

 

[InTraining]

For everyone who is saying "you can't recover fast enough and hit the body again in 2 days" you are doing VERY FEW SETS at a LOT LESS WEIGHT than you are "used" to...

Think about it..you are going to take 9-14 days off of lifting before even starting the actual program...if that doesn't kill your strength I don't know what will...

It is designed for progression..and you are starting at very low weights...

I can see now why the HST people on the boards don't like to argue about it...because some can't get the "BBer Ego" I NEED this exercise to grow or X number of sets and this exercise because it exhausts the upper quadrant of my pectoralis minor..

 

[Debaser]

Am I the only one that doesn't like HST? It seems the new thing on the board is to recommend this routine .. honestly, I just don't see it. Not a call out, if it works for you, power to you - I just don't get what all the hoopla is about

This post is very peculiar coming from someone who hasn't even tried the program. It just sounds stubborn and unfounded.

Your car analogy is incredibly poor. A better one would be trying sushi. In fact, if your post looked like this:

"Am I the only one that doesn't like sushi? It seems the new thing on the board is to recommend this dish .. honestly, I just don't see it. Not a call out, if you like it, power to you - I just don't get what all the hoopla is about"

Of course the response would be "so you've tried it and didn't enjoy it?"

To which you'd respond "Well, no, I've never eaten it. But I don't like it."

How ridiculous is that?