slobberknocker said:
I think a good beginner cycle is a gram of test with liquidex to keep off water. That's pretty benign in terms of sides. No liver or kidney damage. No blood pressure problems from edema. Easy on the wallet. And terrific gains. The point is to build lots of muslce mass. The point is not to take as little gear as possible. Some people do that for kicks, I think. And there's just no reason to piss around with low doses when a higher dose is still relatively benign healthwise. It's just retarded.
I agree with your statement about multiple compounds. But really, nobody who seeks to build lots of lean mass needs to use more than testosterone.
Here's your problem -- right here. This guy actually believes what he's saying, and others will too.
As someone who has geared a big part of his carreer in bodybuilding on this very issue, I'd like to add this.
If this site wanted to be a "Steroid Responsibility" site, it could do so easily. There have been several excellant threads explaining the situation and they could be the "stickys" and should be mandatory reading for all members. There would then be a community of like-minded individuals who abided by the parameters of the guidelines.
But that is not the case.
The site is a soapbox for all opinions, from the ridiculous to the subline. And that's the way it is. Take the good with the bad.
The funny thing is, all steroid sites seem to advocate excess simply by nature of the activity and the people engaged in it. The people are rebels. And more is better. What do you expect?
I was speaking with Rick Collins on this very issue just last week. We both, in differet ways, are taking on a similar task. And we both know it's an uphill climb advcating responsible behaviour for something that is both potentially dangerous and illegal. And responsible people tend not to be involved in dangerous and illegal activity. It's a very unique situation.
THe bottom line is; don't expact anything to change when you have mods who weigh 175 pounds advocatig 6 month cycles with unsanitary veterinary drugs and acting cavalier about compounds like DNP. And then when someone gets ill, or dies (it's happened) their response is "It wasn't the gear. More people die each year from car crashes or aspirin or blah blah blah". Or if some 22 year old kid is impotent they suggest HRT. These are the experts. These are the people whom the newbies trust. The irony is, they're newbies themselves in the game of life. They don't yet understand the gravity of the situation. Oh, you got cancer? Take some r-ALA.
I better stop typing before I get really pissed.