First Cycle composed from 2yrs of research - comments needed

[lil-swole]

Okay, this is what I have come up with after about two year's worth of research. I am 21 years old, 5'6 & 183 lbs @ 10% bodyfat, been working out since I was 16, but consistently for only a little over 3 years. This will be my first real* (read below to find out what I'm talking about) cycle.

Days 1-60: 50mg/day Test Propionate
Day 63: Start PCT

PCT
Day 1-12: 40mg nolva
Day 13-17: 30mg nolva
Day 18-25: 20mg nolva
Day 26-30: 15mg nolva
Day 31-35: 10mg nolva
Day 36-40: 5mg nolva

-HCG: starts day #4 with 250iu and once every 3days after that throughout cycle and days 61, 62, and 63 (day 63 = 500iu)
-Arimidex: starts day #2 with .25mg/EOD (stops after day #62)

I know the decision to use Propionate instead of Enanthate or Cypionate may be controversial because of the pain propionate causes; however, when I was 17 I actually did use (stupidly) large quantities of a product called Testosterone-OH (4-hydroxy-testosterone decanoate) and Nandrolone-OH (4-hydroxy-nandrolone decanoate) by a company called HM-GEAR before the major prohormone ban (I injected 6 cc's every 3 days [alternating between glutes and quads]- I know, rediculous amount, but it was seriously underdosed - and btw, they were over the counter supplements, just sold for "oral use only", but they came as a sterile oil in a glass vial with a rubber stopper ) and the pain was quite immense but I dealt with it, so I figure I can deal with 1/2cc of propionate a day [alternating between glutes, quads, and shoulders] - I'll just have to get used to it. The only other hormonal supplements I have used are Androstedione (which was really stupid and shut me down rather hard) when I was 17, and I went through a bottle of 17-HD (I know, woooo) when I was 20.

So the main questions I have is more about my PCT and use of HCG and Arimdidex.

I know some may wonder why I complicated the nolvadex like that instead of just keeping it simple at 40mg for 2 weeks, then 20mg for 2 weeks. The reason for this is that I read somewhere it is good to wean off of Nolvadex at 5mg every 5 day intervals, so I figured it couldn't hurt.

The reason I am using Arimidex is because I actually did get gyno from the legal steroids I used from HM Gear (it was weird though cuz it starting occuring about a month after I quit and really starting coming on about 3months down the road); anyways, I had to get surgery and get it removed (it wasn't that bad, my right nip was about the size of a walnut, the left nip about the size of a peanut m&m). I am hoping .25mg/EOD will not be too much as to limit the efficacy of the cycle, but would be enough to keep estrogen in check, and it really is a pretty mild cycle anyways.

As for the HCG, that's just what I came up from what all I've read; I know there are many different opinions on the matter, but I believe my boys shutdown rather quickly and so I think it would be best if I just kept them up to par for the duration of the cycle.

And, just to clear it up before it arises, I know I am young and could still grow naturally, but I have been planning on this since I was 19 and have been working hard to form a solid base and research to know what I was doing before I started. Now, I feel like it's time, and I want to start. I am looking to gain and keep about 10 pounds of solid muscle and perhaps even cut up a little bit down to about 7.5-8.0% bodyfat on this cycle (and before I get flamed for trying to bulk and cut at the same time, 10 pounds is rather conservative for a first cycle, and my genetics allow me to bulk and cut quite well when on hormones [judging form my past experiences - and 2.0-2.5% bodyfat isn't really alot]); I plan to achieve this by eating no junk food, lots of protein and high-quality carbs and fats for a total of about 3500 calories a day, while keeping up my cardio (30-45 mins 3x a week) - I workout 5 days a week for 1-1.5 hours.

Well, that's it. I am looking for and would greatly appreciate any comments and suggestions relating to this.

Thanks,
lil-swole

 

[Mac173]

Just go w/ test e @500mg ew for 10-12wks.
PCT would be HCG, nolva., clomid.
Don't worry about staggering the serm dosages just keep them an even 20 and 50 throughout PCT.

 

[qman04]

I agree with MAC

 

[lil-swole]

I appreciate the suggestion Mac. I had read that it was best to use a shorter ester at least toward the end of your cycle because it would allow for fuller recovery sooner. So you say don't worry about that, just stick with the tried and true enanthate? And I'm assuming you meant 4 weeks of PCT - and how would you incorporate the HCG? Also, no arimidex (I really feel that may be useful to me for bloat and potential gyno)?

Does anyone else have any comments/suggestions/opinions?

 

[Mac173]

I appreciate the suggestion Mac. I had read that it was best to use a shorter ester at least toward the end of your cycle because it would allow for fuller recovery sooner. So you say don't worry about that, just stick with the tried and true enanthate? And I'm assuming you meant 4 weeks of PCT? Also, no arimidex (I really feel that may be useful to me for bloat and potential gyno)?

Does anyone else have any comments/suggestions/opinions?

Run the adex on cycle and throughout PCT.
Like I said I would just stick w/ test e for your first cycle.
Shorter esters do make it easier to recover but w/ that dosage and HCG usage you should recover just fine.

 

[lil-swole]

Thanks again for the reply Mac.
.25mg EOD for the adex seem ideal? Also, running that through all 4 weeks of PCT with 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid every day wouldn't driver estrogen levels too low and thereby inhibit recovery would it? I was thinking quit taking the Adex when I start PCT, but what's your take? Also, you think taking 250iu HCG E3d from the onset and quitting when you start PCT is okay, or else how would you schedule it?

 

[Mac173]

Thanks again for the reply Mac.
.25mg EOD for the adex seem ideal? Also, running that through all 4 weeks of PCT with 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid every day wouldn't driver estrogen levels too low and thereby inhibit recovery would it? I was thinking quit taking the Adex when I start PCT, but what's your take? Also, you think taking 250iu HCG E3d from the onset and quitting when you start PCT is okay, or else how would you schedule it?

I would start the adex at .5eod and adjust. You might need more or you might need less. I personally run my AI's doses very low because I'm not very
E sensetive. I run them during PCT also, at a very low dosage.
As far as HCG on cycle or after that is personal preference. Some do it during and some after. I do it after but I'm not going to say either way is better.

 

[jmead]

SERMS dont lower estrogen levels.. AIs do.. youd be fine with .25 or .5mg adex throughout cycle and pct.. just use enanthate bro 1-10 300-500mg .. prop aint worth the pain for 2 months.. if you want use enanthate for 8 weeks switch to prop for last 2.. but like said in the other replies.. your recovery wont be hard at all from a test only 10 week cycle..

 

[chimera83]

Go with what MAC said, but I would also take the adex to keep estrogen levels down a bit (it really depends on the individual as too how much you shoud take) start off low and increase it if you need to.

How were your gains from the HM Gear cycle you ran a while back, and are you sure that the gyno was caused by their products (I know a few people that used their stuff and didnt get anything)

 

[armo72]

If you must do 100mg prop eod, no need to poke yourself ed. If you haven't already got your gear I would recommend sust, omna, e or c. You can pick up omna's for super cheap if you look hard enough. As for dose what they said