Females: Do you feel your rights are being violated? (PBA BAN-VERY GRAPHIC)

[bunnymt]

while I somewhat agree, nobody's view is going to change on this matter IMO. It's like the God debate. People have made up their minds and wind up repeating themselves.

I see. Furthermore, I believe that the point of a good debate, argument, or discussion (like the one here) is to be somewhat open-minded. The facts are presented and people attempt to sway others to view the matter from their perspective, or at least to acknowledge the point that they are making to some degree. It is important to have all the facts on the table so that any misconceptions can be cleared up. Velvett has the right idea.

 

[atlantabiolab]

while I somewhat agree, nobody's view is going to change on this matter IMO. It's like the God debate. People have made up their minds and wind up repeating themselves.

Not true. There are so many misinformed about this whole topic and many who fence sit, playing situational ethics games. The disturbing thread of abortion topics is the pure revulsion people have at even the idea of discussing such an important issue of human society. It is simply a "fact" for many, not a question of "value", and because of such beliefs they do not understand that it is a crux of philosophy; what is more important than one's right to life? The right to food, which 2THICK thinks is so important, is subordinate to your right to life. All of your political rights are subordinate to your claim to your own life.

This topic is no different than racial threads...people desire to remain ignorant, for contemplating such topics destroys many ideas that are ingrained in us. For every one intellectual topic, such as this, even with all of the anti-intellectual rhetoric from both sides, this board has 100 "How to pick up ho's" or "What are the best rims for my 64 Impala"-type thread.

 

[gettinlarger]

Not true. There are so many misinformed about this whole topic and many who fence sit, playing situational ethics games. The disturbing thread of abortion topics is the pure revulsion people have at even the idea of discussing such an important issue of human society. It is simply a "fact" for many, not a question of "value", and because of such beliefs they do not understand that it is a crux of philosophy; what is more important than one's right to life? The right to food, which 2THICK thinks is so important, is subordinate to your right to life. All of your political rights are subordinate to your claim to your own life.

This topic is no different than racial threads...people desire to remain ignorant, for contemplating such topics destroys many ideas that are ingrained in us. For every one intellectual topic, such as this, even with all of the anti-intellectual rhetoric from both sides, this board has 100 "How to pick up ho's" or "What are the best rims for my 64 Impala"-type thread.

Good post. I agree with you.

However, it seems that many abortion threads I've ever read all boils down to arguments of pro-choice and pro-life.

 

[the nature boy]

Not true. There are so many misinformed about this whole topic and many who fence sit, playing situational ethics games. The disturbing thread of abortion topics is the pure revulsion people have at even the idea of discussing such an important issue of human society. It is simply a "fact" for many, not a question of "value", and because of such beliefs they do not understand that it is a crux of philosophy; what is more important than one's right to life? The right to food, which 2THICK thinks is so important, is subordinate to your right to life. All of your political rights are subordinate to your claim to your own life.

This topic is no different than racial threads...people desire to remain ignorant, for contemplating such topics destroys many ideas that are ingrained in us. For every one intellectual topic, such as this, even with all of the anti-intellectual rhetoric from both sides, this board has 100 "How to pick up ho's" or "What are the best rims for my 64 Impala"-type thread.

like I said to bunnymt, I agree with what you say, but generally, as long as I've been here it's the same people repeating the same stuff. And like I said, this is all my opinion, and I am in no way advocating these threads being locked. Its just that the people who haven't made up their minds probably don't really care enough anyway to contribute or LEARN.

Anway, I'm glad you guys are debating, I got sick of debating this topic on EF a year ago. Nothing changed. more power to you people.

 

[velvett]

Atlantabiolab -


This isn't the one I was looking for but it does touch the subject

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=2024977#post2024977

 

[Robert Jan]

i dont see whats so shocking.

I`m totally pro choice.

like someone sayd, only an incredibly small % of abortions is that late.

 

[flexygrl]

Robert,

What don't you find shocking? That is was banned or the actual practice of ripping a baby apart limb by limb? Just curious.

 

[msboss]

I can't understand how it's ok to pull apart a fetus limb by limb, even though it is a small %. But, if this where to happen to a poor defenseless animal, let's say a puppy, boy what a camotion this would stir up. You'd have animal rights people hollering, and the proper authorities called in and the person that did the barberic act brought up on charges of animal cruelty. But doctors get a licsense to this to a baby. Dispicable.

msboss

 

[gettinlarger]

I can't understand how it's ok to pull apart a fetus limb by limb, even though it is a small %. But, if this where to happen to a poor defenseless animal, let's say a puppy, boy what a camotion this would stir up. You'd have animal rights people hollering, and the proper authorities called in and the person that did the barberic act brought up on charges of animal cruelty. But doctors get a licsense to this to a baby. Dispicable.

msboss

They still get a shyteload of pro-life people stirring shit up.

Plus, you must remember, they don't have a license to "pull a fetus apart limb by limb." That is not the procedure. There are times, however, when it does happen.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Atlantabiolab -


This isn't the one I was looking for but it does touch the subject

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=2024977#post2024977

But it does not address the issue. Essentially BABYDOC says 24-26 week old premmies don't have a high life-expectancy, so he thinks this validates their termination, which is at the stage of viability, which the Supreme Court used as a cut-off in Roe v. Wade.

Playing the numbers is not how man reasons. This is the same ideology that has been used to allow government to enter into housing projects to search for guns and drugs, since "statistically" they have a high percentage of illegal gun and drugs in housing projects. The question must be asked, does man have rights, meaning personal claims of existence, if so, can others take these rights away; why, and when?

He did not address why a cesarean, which are performed numerous times every day for women who are having serious complications in pregnancy, is not acceptable, yet a third trimester abortion is fine. Now, I understand that many third trimester abortions are for perfectly acceptable reasons, i.e. stillbirths, severe malformations (those where the infant will not survive), etc., essentially in situations where you are not terminating a viable infant, but a non-viable infant.

Threat to mother's life is a major argument used, and is perfectly reasonable, but I want more information regarding the specifics to make a fully reasoned judgement on this argument. If we are told that all cases are for essentially non-viable infants, then I must agree with the procedure. If we are told that a portion are for no better reasons than the mother does not want the child, then this is another story.