Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spellwin, the EliteFitness.com Site & Our Members

[galaxy]

Cant you just go back to the World Anabolic Review 1996 or Bill Phillips Anabolic Reference Guide to see that Anthony Roberts is a plagerist?

He had nothing new. Unless of course you count his new PCT of the future, which of course a new method is already being touted here, but anyway...................

 

[MichaelScott]

my opinion is that without Need2 and AAP the AAS board would be no more

 

[eddymerckx]

my opinion is that without Need2 and AAP the AAS board would be no more

have to add Mava--imho

 

[hurricane]

checked a few other sites .. and i see ar and his goon squad is pushing this subject hard .. mods and admin are even actually doin the "BUMPs" of the threads to the top ..

 

[ItalianMuscle27isBACK]

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hope to get you back bro, its been a while. i wanna see that guy pissin on the myogenx bottle as your avatar again, lol.

Thanks bro.. Whats funny, I think that pic is still in my old avatar.. lol!

Im just waiting for EF Frank to unfreeze my old account.. Whats taking so long Franky Baby?? Unfreeze it brah.. George, Needto and the other Mods says its OK...

 

[Donnie Darko]

Once again, what is this thread originally about?

I know that alot of people wish to air out personal conflicts and such, but what is this entire thing about once again? I have seen so much to know that certain people are utterly despised and apparently there must be legitimate reasons to antagonize such disdain and loathing, but back to the point?

Would someone give point to point reasons for this issue to be raised so that we can all be reminded since people tend to post without reading sometimes? Me being sort of a new COTB has kind of forgotten even though I read the origin of the thread. Although I am sure that some will go back to remind me and say, "Duh!" I'm like most other members though...I"m lazy, I don't care, what?

 

[str8nubin]

checked a few other sites .. and i see ar and his goon squad is pushing this subject hard .. mods and admin are even actually doin the "BUMPs" of the threads to the top ..

Yeah his blog has quite the mind-numbing, obsessively long replies on this topic I think I've ever seen on ANY blog. The surest sign of guilt there is. I can't even read more than a paragraph of it before my eyes start rolling back in my head. Bullshit overload.

 

[xrsist]

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edit *start another thread for other topics *

 

[nzrodney]

Surely this thread has run its course & most have had their say. I would suggest that now this thread is becoming destructive to the general integrity of the board. The supplement industry is fraught with people that are greedy & have only their own agenda in mind, in persuit of money & power. None of us are squeeky clean. If you are an AAS user, you are breaking the law in most countries. So please let this all go, let the Admin deal with whatever situation they are in, & lets just get back to what we do best on this board, helping each other out. Please LOCK THIS THREAD DOWN NOW!

 

[SuppAddict]

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Surely this thread has run its course & most have had their say. I would suggest that now this thread is becoming destructive to the general integrity of the board. The supplement industry is fraught with people that are greedy & have only their own agenda in mind, in persuit of money & power. None of us are squeeky clean. If you are an AAS user, you are breaking the law in most countries. So please let this all go, let the Admin deal with whatever situation they are in, & lets just get back to what we do best on this board, helping each other out. Please LOCK THIS THREAD DOWN NOW!

+1

I think you should take it a step further and delete this thread and your article altogether. Stuff like this can only backfire on us (the Elite community). Pointing fingers at these guys about the BS products they are selling, whilst you sell sex and gambling at the same time is hypocritical at best. Especially so when you put "God willing" at the end of your article. Mocking God is a guaranteed way to ensure you will lose this battle with BC and AR.

 

[get456]

Sex and gambling is a long way from stealing from people who dont know better.

Im sure God would agree.

If God doesnt agree, he'll post... If he doesnt post then he obviously agrees, silence is affirmation.

 

[Mavafanculo]

GUYS

could we please keep this confined to the topic at hand.

thanks

 

[SuppAddict]

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Sex and gambling is a long way from stealing from people who dont know better.

Im sure God would agree.

If God doesnt agree, he'll post... If he doesnt post then he obviously agrees, silence is affirmation.

This is fully regarding the issue at hand.

I am a full supporter of this site and although I don't participate that much I would say that this is my home here. I am trying to say my piece just as everyone else here is.

AND - All I am saying that George Spellwin is trying to look like he is taking some kind of moral high ground with hopes that "God" is on his side. And, at the same time he is selling other products that "God" (regardless of what god he is referring to) would most likely deem immoral. I think this is a bad idea. I think he should delete this thread and his article and stop trying bullsh*t his own people.

 

[Mavafanculo]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

This is fully regarding the issue at hand.

I am a full supporter of this site and although I don't participate that much I would say that this is my home here. I am trying to say my piece just as everyone else here is.

AND - All I am saying that George Spellwin is trying to look like he is taking some kind of moral high ground with hopes that "God" is on his side. And, at the same time he is selling other products that "God" (regardless of what god he is referring to) would most likely deem immoral. I think this is a bad idea. I think he should delete this thread and his article and stop trying bullsh*t his own people.

Are you speaking Ex-Cathedra?

God told ME it was OK. stalemate. see how silly it is arguing about what god likes.

GS didnt say god was on his side btw, he said "god willing ...." a colloquial expression

dont continue this line. its done.

 

[SuppAddict]

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Ok, you're right. My bad.

I'm just frustrated with this whole thing bro. I come of the school of thought that any press is good press so I'd like to see this go away and stop sending BC and AR so much "press". you know?

 

[Twoguns]

Here is the bottom line. If you lie with dogs you will get fleas. EF got fleas for promoting AR, when he is a con man piece of shit. Like I said earlier, this guys is a steroid guru? Look at his picture !!! He doesn't even look like he works out.

 

[eddymerckx]

Surely this thread has run its course & most have had their say. I would suggest that now this thread is becoming destructive to the general integrity of the board. The supplement industry is fraught with people that are greedy & have only their own agenda in mind, in persuit of money & power. None of us are squeeky clean. If you are an AAS user, you are breaking the law in most countries. So please let this all go, let the Admin deal with whatever situation they are in, & lets just get back to what we do best on this board, helping each other out. Please LOCK THIS THREAD DOWN NOW!

agree, and like any other industry, i think the industry has some stand-up bros as well who actually have a passion for what they do not just $$$---

from personal experience--I have had countles exchanges with Nelson, Omega and PP---and lately Donnie Darko, and to a man, not one has pushed their products on me and two actually sent me down a different road alltogether.

and good to see ya Rod--hope the shoulder healing!!

 

[Svengali]

I am honestly wondering who is writing as "GS" in this thread. Is it PW or BRR? It is my understanding that AR even wrote as "GS"(i.e. the Balkan Labs stuff). I would just like to have this thread in context.
BTW, I hate seeing this crap. I wish that people did not torch the bridges behind them as they left. I agree that the mod/sponsor positions were not the best idea. But, let me ask this to GS without being edited by others who have a vested interest. Is the relationship with the AF guys so far gone that you wouldnt consider having them back in a limited capacity as sponsors/chairmen? Both sides have thrown stones. But, if you bring them back, I buy a lifetime plat tomorrow.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

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I am honestly wondering who is writing as "GS" in this thread. Is it PW or BRR? It is my understanding that AR even wrote as "GS"(i.e. the Balkan Labs stuff). I would just like to have this thread in context.
BTW, I hate seeing this crap. I wish that people did not torch the bridges behind them as they left. I agree that the mod/sponsor positions were not the best idea. But, let me ask this to GS without being edited by others who have a vested interest. Is the relationship with the AF guys so far gone that you wouldnt consider having them back in a limited capacity as sponsors/chairmen? Both sides have thrown stones. But, if you bring them back, I buy a lifetime plat tomorrow.

-I do not post as George or have any way to access the account. The lil bits of my writing that do get published I've done for AGX Sports, Primordial and some of the other sponsors. I enjoy taking part in the writing of creative pieces for my sponsors that introduce fine products to the community. I'm even working with needto on the creative pieces for his eBook right now.

Aside from that, I don't write news articles or editorial. I read what a lot of the guys on other sites like MesoRx and iSteroids write... I'm just not up to that level of writing or up on current events. I get my news after they've been published like the rest of you.


- I think AF is a good company and I truly wish them the best of luck. They have some very smart folks working over there, and I'm sure they will stay on the cutting edge of the industry. I just don't feel their marketing and business model fits well with EF's right now, and I don't think it will benefit either company to rekindle the business relationship.

 

[Svengali]

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-I do not post as George or have any way to access the account. The lil bits of my writing that do get published I've done for AGX Sports, Primordial and some of the other sponsors. I enjoy taking part in the writing of creative pieces for my sponsors that introduce fine products to the community. I'm even working with needto on the creative pieces for his eBook right now.

Aside from that, I don't write news articles or editorial. I read what a lot of the guys on other sites like MesoRx and iSteroids write... I'm just not up to that level of writing or up on current events. I get my news after they've been published like the rest of you.


- I think AF is a good company and I truly wish them the best of luck. They have some very smart folks working over there, and I'm sure they will stay on the cutting edge of the industry. I just don't feel their marketing and business model fits well with EF's right now, and I don't think it will benefit either company to rekindle the business relationship.

Bro, I appreciate your response. I hope my post did not come off as accusatory. I was just wondering. I figured that those posts were from The Man himself.
By the way, very classy reply!

 

[get456]

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Bro, I appreciate your response. I hope my post did not come off as accusatory. I was just wondering. I figured that those posts were from The Man himself.
By the way, very classy reply!

extremely classy, much more so than some other folks.


thank you BRR

 

[DannoMight]

I just really didn't pay much attention to AR when he was here. Just judging from his avi pic is was clear he couldn't practice what he was preaching. It was like the skinny guy at the supp shop trying to sell you some bs supps and claiming from experience when he looks like he's never set eyes on a weight room.

 

[Svengali]

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I just really didn't pay much attention to AR when he was here. Just judging from his avi pic is was clear he couldn't practice what he was preaching. It was like the skinny guy at the supp shop trying to sell you some bs supps and claiming from experience when he looks like he's never set eyes on a weight room.

I know this analogy is tired. But, Dan Duchaine was no Dorian Yates either. But, AR is in a hell of a lot better shape than Dan ever was. Trust me on this one. I met DD several times.

 

[galaxy]

Lets move forward. Not backwards.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I can't believe we had a drama thread and nobody told puddle

 

[nzrodney]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

-I do not post as George or have any way to access the account. The lil bits of my writing that do get published I've done for AGX Sports, Primordial and some of the other sponsors. I enjoy taking part in the writing of creative pieces for my sponsors that introduce fine products to the community. I'm even working with needto on the creative pieces for his eBook right now.

Aside from that, I don't write news articles or editorial. I read what a lot of the guys on other sites like MesoRx and iSteroids write... I'm just not up to that level of writing or up on current events. I get my news after they've been published like the rest of you.


- I think AF is a good company and I truly wish them the best of luck. They have some very smart folks working over there, and I'm sure they will stay on the cutting edge of the industry. I just don't feel their marketing and business model fits well with EF's right now, and I don't think it will benefit either company to rekindle the business relationship.

OK Boss what are you going to do about this thread? I think you should bury it in a big hole & cover it over! Respect, R

 

[GUARDIAN]

I can't believe we had a drama thread and nobody told puddle

puddle we have a drama thread .

 

[LiquidPhire]

AR is ************ was called out and all the shit he said was blown out of the water for being uncredible like how he was on a pro rugby team it was like a div4 mens league or something LOL

 

[max_brente]

seriously i got a question..how do ppl let themselves get scammed into buying the crap from roidstore.com...anyone even considering AAS should have researched everything they could and have knowledge about what chemical or ingredient they are putting in their body.....ideots

 

[puddlemonkey]

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puddle we have a drama thread .

 

[Slyder190]

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I here you on the Charlie Brown thing. Probably should move the supplement talk to the appropriate forum and keep it out of the AAS forum. But I am guilty of it myself. Ive asked about stuff not related to gear just cus I know it will get the attention in the AAS forum.

I honestly think the banner ads garner enough attention without all the threads.

I mean, if I started talking about GNC Mega Man it wouldnt be kept in the AAS forum.

just saying..................

But back on point......

yes Tony Roberts is a wanna bee

AND TONY I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHAT KINDA MONEY YOU MADE BEING A DOUCHE. YOU WONT HAVE A PENNY OF IT IN 3 YEARS I GUARANTEE.

Bro you're gonna need a bigger avatar again if you keep gettin so damn fuckin HUGE!

 

[eddymerckx]

seriously i got a question..how do ppl let themselves get scammed into buying the crap from roidstore.com...anyone even considering AAS should have researched everything they could and have knowledge about what chemical or ingredient they are putting in their body.....ideots

I have used them every day--and as you can see by my avatar I am a representation of male physical perfection --dooh!

 

[Spartacus]

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Sex and gambling is a long way from stealing from people who dont know better.

Im sure God would agree.

If God doesnt agree, he'll post... If he doesnt post then he obviously agrees, silence is affirmation.

what gambling?

 

[tshoot]

AR was such a tool. Never did understand why he was allowed to operate with such authority on this board. Glad to see him gone.

 

[max_brente]

I have used them every day--and as you can see by my avatar I am a representation of male physical perfection --dooh!

hahahah nice

 

[hyp1]

I had the strong impression long ago that anthony roberts was entirely full of shit and directly linked to the 'roid store..........although post after fucking post I made providing this fucking fact got deleted over and over and over.

I can't believe the advertising for the bullshit 'roid store went on as long as it did,honestly.it was seriously dishonest and cheated some of our naive members out of loads of cash.I just hope the settlement doesn't allow these cocksuckers to advertise much more here,or this place has basically went to hell.

George,I know you're in a bind bro...........but damn this shit with anthony has been headed for you and highly visible like a speeding freight train.best of luck to you bro

and fuck those bastards about their ISP requests!!

 

[hyp1]

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You should have never gotten involved with that douche bag to begin with.

+2!

 

[MichaelScott]

I had the strong impression long ago that anthony roberts was entirely full of shit and directly linked to the 'roid store..........although post after fucking post I made providing this fucking fact got deleted over and over and over.

I can't believe the advertising for the bullshit 'roid store went on as long as it did,honestly.it was seriously dishonest and cheated some of our naive members out of loads of cash.I just hope the settlement doesn't allow these cocksuckers to advertise much more here,or this place has basically went to hell.

George,I know you're in a bind bro...........but damn this shit with anthony has been headed for you and highly visible like a speeding freight train.best of luck to you bro

and fuck those bastards about their ISP requests!!

i remember that u were leading the charge against roid store

 

[ant65]

what a prickster AR is.

 

[hyp1]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

i remember that u were leading the charge against roid store

I'm glad someone remembered at least........lol

Anthony Roberts sent me a private message stating that he wasn't connected to the 'roid store at all,and truthfully for a little while I actually bought into it,but still thought that he was shady as hell.now that the truth is out,it just proves what a sack of shit he actually is.

I just found it entirely fucked up that a great site like elitefitness would allow advertising that actually conned it's own members out of hard earned cash by selling obviously fake steroid products.this site is one of the best as far as straight up non diluted,watered down reliable information goes and in my opinion letting assholes like Anthony Roberts and his fake fucking gear let loose was a tragic mistake headed for a serious downfall.when you sleep with dogs,you tend to wake up with fleas.

 

[eddymerckx]

what a prickster AR is.

there should be no personal insults....but it's true, then i guess it is more of an observation than an attack

 

[eliteforce]

gee wrongun..always the diplomat, always playing both sides and making sure nobody gets mad at you, everyones friend arn't you..

they scamm people everyday over at that site and sell them fake shit from that banner thats allover the place on that board; thats the whole cause of the problems between the 2 sites..and they are the ones that started the lawsuit in the first placehow do you defend that? what exactly is this 'other side' you speak of?

any neutral person looking at this can clearly see that the issue was this roidstore fake garbage they sell and that when ef declined to cooperate with this scam any more that steroid.com retaliated with this 'plagerism' charge..they don't even deny over there that the whole cause of the problem is steroid.com s scamming

Its all drama that if it can not be resolved between the two sides needs to go to court to get someone to resolve for them.

There are always two sides to every story and sure Antony, Brian and whoever else is involved have their side as well as this side. Who is right or wrong is for the attourney to resolve.

IMHO i would let George and his team resolve it direct and all the drama should be kept away from the boards. If it can be resolved - great if not then let the lawyers resolve for you. Then when the result has been obtained and no more appeals then announce.

Until then let them get on with Steroid.com and Elitefitness get on with their business.

There is no benefit doing all the dirty washing in public as it serves no use or benefit as you will always get people that see the opposite.

This is a matter for behind closed doors IMHO and should not effect the business of Elitefitness.com or steroid.com until resolved

Wrongun!

 

[Svengali]

So, this has been resolved?????

 

[Wrongun]

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gee wrongun..always the diplomat, always playing both sides and making sure nobody gets mad at you, everyones friend arn't you..

they scamm people everyday over at that site and sell them fake shit from that banner thats allover the place on that board; thats the whole cause of the problems between the 2 sites..and they are the ones that started the lawsuit in the first placehow do you defend that? what exactly is this 'other side' you speak of?

any neutral person looking at this can clearly see that the issue was this roidstore fake garbage they sell and that when ef declined to cooperate with this scam any more that steroid.com retaliated with this 'plagerism' charge..they don't even deny over there that the whole cause of the problem is steroid.com s scamming

My view was not defending anyone but with litigation by pure definition there are always two sides to a story / case i.e the claimant and the defendant

From what has been written here there are several issues to deal with including advertising contracts (possibly breach), copyright issues and the owners and maybe some libel.

My view is a pure legal one which is do not do your dirty washing in public as it can be all used in the litigation case. The ONLY benefit i can see is to build up a character reference either bad or good for one of the sides but it does archive to antagonize the other side. What good does that do if you are confident and had legal advice you have not breached contract, copyright or broken any advertising agreement?

I am not defending anyone i am saying i do not agree with the approach suggested from either party for displaying the case in public as it means it makes mediation just about impossible which only upsets any judge and does ensure a lengthy and very costly court case.

By all means get mad at me but i do not know who is right or wrong in this case as i do not have the contracts or copyright to make that judgment. Basically litigation is not about right or wrong its about who has upheld the contract.

I have not been employed to defend anyone and if i had the first thing i would stop is threads like this and AR's blog as it makes it so much harder and serves not one purpose for the case. On the positive side if i was employed i would be rubbing my hands together because i know there will be hardly any chance of mediation but a very expensive daily charge for my services ion court - happy days

So may i ask if for argument sakes Elite has breached a copyright & breached an advertising contract (it is irrelevant in he case if you like the product or not) do you defend the Directors attitude to fight the case all the way at the risk of the business becoming insolvent. That in turn would ensure loss of jobs and suppliers loss of money. I am guessing you have not seen the contracts either to say 100% 9which can never be done in litigation) it would be a victory for either side.

So because you do not like the claimant or defendant and their products you would risk the company ensuing all the happy members and staff of both boards lose out?

With respect you are far to emotional about the whole issue without the facts. I do not know who is right or wrong but guess the court will let us all known when they have decided. By all means you get mad at me but they are the facts

Wrongun!

 

[access]

So, this has been resolved?????

Not even close...

 

[majutsu]

if you couldn't tell the nature of these two on immediate contact, you really need to sharpen you people reading skills. Perhaps the resolution of this will lead to the re-establishment of the integrity of elite. the school of hard knocks is a good teacher, george. Remember loyalty lies with the many strong, silent brothers and sisters of iron, not skinny con-men with drug problems. try not to forget so flagrantly again.

 

[Svengali]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Not even close...

Are you coming from an informed position?
The fact that official posts on this have stopped and AR has not blogged about it in four or five days has me believe that settlement negotiations are progression; perhaps with a non-disclosure agreement that AR mentioned in the original blog entry..

 

[needtogetaas]

I am the fucking man!!!! that is all.

 

[Mr. Matt]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

I am the fucking man!!!! that is all.

Lol. Yeah you're alright.

 

[AAP]

I am the fucking man!!!! that is all.

yeah.... the WO-man.


hahahahhaha

*runs away*

 

[rnch]

yeah.... the WO-man.


hahahahhaha

*runs away*

hahahahaha

 

[MichaelScott]

lolololo

 

[artificialaspirations]

Anyone have the cliffs notes of what happened?

 

[MichaelScott]

come on its only 350 + posts u can read that...lol

 

[needtogetaas]

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yeah.... the WO-man.


hahahahhaha

*runs away*

Where you been all week end bro? I have no heard from you or rick. Something going on?

 

[Svengali]

So, everyone other than mods have to keep these threads on topic?

 

[eddymerckx]

So, everyone other than mods have to keep these threads on topic?

for what needto gives to this board--if he wants to ask another mod a question or say something off topic, i believe he has earned the right. if you are so concerned about what a mod says or does say, i suggest a hobby--maybe model ship building --i heard that is fun

 

[AAP]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Where you been all week end bro? I have no heard from you or rick. Something going on?

Yeah, we both stopped talking to you. LOL

(been busy with some projects here)

 

[blackthunder]

As Mr. Orwell was kind enough to point out:

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”

 

[Svengali]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

for what needto gives to this board--if he wants to ask another mod a question or say something off topic, i belive he has earned the right. if you are so concerned about what a mod says or does say, i suggest a hobbyy--maybe model ship building --i heard that is fun

Wow. OK... That makes sense. Thanks.

My point is that rather than making this a C&C thread and distracting from the point, wouldnt it make sense to take that stuff to PM's?

...and since we are talking about it... Needto is a great guy and adds tremendous value to the board for a lot of people, including myself. But, dont act as if he is not compensated for those efforts.

 

[needtogetaas]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

So, everyone other than mods have to keep these threads on topic?

Point taken bro. You are right.

 

[eddymerckx]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Wow. OK... That makes sense. Thanks.

My point is that rather than making this a C&C thread and distracting from the point, wouldnt it make sense to take that stuff to PM's?

...and since we are talking about it... Needto is a great guy and adds tremendous value to the board for a lot of people, including myself. But, dont act as if he is not compensated for those efforts.

he is not compensated for those or any efforts. mods do not get paid--they do it because they like to help.

which is why if you appreciate his help buy his book.

 

[George Spellwin]

Anyone have the cliffs notes of what happened?

Running EliteFitness.com is expensive and we earn the money needed to keep such a large operation going in three ways: through advertising, downloadable e-books, and from your support when you become a Platinum Member. Many EliteFitness.com clones stay online by dealing steroids and they use their forums to generate prospective customers that they can then sell drugs to. The idea behind Brian and Anthony’s Steroid.com site is actually quite ingenious. Steroid.com pretends to support and educate the bodybuilding community, but at the same time it really exists to cheat its members into buying the fake steroids that they sell at their sister site, the RoidStore.com. So although they are not exactly dealing drugs, by dancing around some of the Federal Trade Commission’s rules about truth in advertising, they can make a fortune by selling stuff that pretends to be anabolic steroids but isn’t. Now Brian is the one raking in the cash, living in a mansion, and now he’s the one driving the Lamborghini perhaps even the same one that was once owned by his mentor Bart.

You have to give Brian and Anthony credit, it’s a great idea really; use your Steroid.com EF clone site to sell fake steroids in your very own RoidStore. But their idea has one major problem. You see, most businesses are successful because of repeat customers; however, you can imagine that after you buy something from the RoidStore only to discover that it is not an anabolic steroid, you’re not going to go back and get ripped off again. And so, in order for Brian and Anthony to keep Steroid.com going and to keep gas in the tank of that Lambo, they have to continually find new suckers to buy the fake steroids they sell at their RoidStore.

Here’s how it works:

RoidStore.com sells an oral supplement called “Deca 200” which is a name that sounds an awful lot like pharmaceutical giant Organon’s injectable prescription drug nandrolone decanoate that Organon markets under the brand name Deca-Durabolin. RoidStore claims that “Deca 200” contains a nutritional supplement blend with a name Brian made up called “Nandeconate”, which is definitely not the drug made by Organon.

RoidStore sells another oral supplement called “D-Anabol 25” and they say it contains a nutritional supplement blend with the made up name “Metandesenolone”. Isn’t that curious? “D-Anabol 25” made from “Metandesenolone” sounds an awful lot like the real brand name drug Dianabol produced by pharmaceutical giant Ciba containing the real pharmaceutical methandrostenolone.

RoidStore’s “Tren 75” contains a nutritional supplement blend with a cool sounding fabricated name “Finabolan”, but it does not contain a bit of the real drug trenbolone acetate, which you will find in pharmaceutical giant Hoechst-Roussel’s brand name drug Finaplix.

RoidStore sells something they call “Var 10” which they say contains a nutritional supplement blend with the name they made up of “Oxantrione”. But guess what? “Var 10” doesn’t contain any of the real drug called oxandrolone put out by pharmaceutical giant Searle that Searle sells under the brand name Anavar.

And here’s one of my favorites.

RoidStore sells another oral supplement called “Winn 50” which is a name that sounds an awful lot like pharmaceutical giant Upjohn’s prescription drug Winstrol, which is Upjohn’s brand name for the generic pharmaceutical stanozolol. RoidStore claims that “Winn 50” contains a nutritional supplement blend called “Vanazolol”, which is definitely not the same thing as stanozolol (Winstrol).

Guess who owns the trademarks for D-Anabol 25, Deca 200, Winn 50, Tren 75, Var 10, Nandeconate, Vanazolol, Metandesenolone, and Finabolan? Think it’s Organon, Ciba, Hoechst-Roussel, Searle and Upjohn? Nope, you would be wrong. These trademarks although they sound a lot like the real thing are all owned by Brian Clapp’s company Anabolic Research, LLC.

I wanted you to know what was really in some of RoidStore’s supplements, so I got my hands on a bottle of “Winn 50.” When you get the bottle you find out that “Vanazolol” is actually a proprietary blend of DHEA, taraxacum officinale, (better known as dandelion - yes, the flower) as well as iron, vitamin b12, caffeine, and vanadyl sulphate. All at a retail price of only $95 per bottle! Yes, for a hundred bucks, you could take a pill that wouldn’t help you much more than a multi-vitamin, a salad and a cup of coffee.

Not fully knowing all the above, I foolishly stood by Anthony Roberts when the members were telling me he was a loser and that he needed to go. Now EF has gotten sued by Steroid.com/RoidStore for my poor judgement.

I apologize to all our members for not listening to you earlier.

 

[eddymerckx]

Running EliteFitness.com is expensive and we earn the money needed to keep such a large operation going in three ways: through advertising, downloadable e-books, and from your support when you become a Platinum Member. Many EliteFitness.com clones stay online by dealing steroids and they use their forums to generate prospective customers that they can then sell drugs to. The idea behind Brian and Anthony’s Steroid.com site is actually quite ingenious. Steroid.com pretends to support and educate the bodybuilding community, but at the same time it really exists to cheat its members into buying the fake steroids that they sell at their sister site, the RoidStore.com. So although they are not exactly dealing drugs, by dancing around some of the Federal Trade Commission’s rules about truth in advertising, they can make a fortune by selling stuff that pretends to be anabolic steroids but isn’t. Now Brian is the one raking in the cash, living in a mansion, and now he’s the one driving the Lamborghini perhaps even the same one that was once owned by his mentor Bart.

You have to give Brian and Anthony credit, it’s a great idea really; use your Steroid.com EF clone site to sell fake steroids in your very own RoidStore. But their idea has one major problem. You see, most businesses are successful because of repeat customers; however, you can imagine that after you buy something from the RoidStore only to discover that it is not an anabolic steroid, you’re not going to go back and get ripped off again. And so, in order for Brian and Anthony to keep Steroid.com going and to keep gas in the tank of that Lambo, they have to continually find new suckers to buy the fake steroids they sell at their RoidStore.

Here’s how it works:

RoidStore.com sells an oral supplement called “Deca 200” which is a name that sounds an awful lot like pharmaceutical giant Organon’s injectable prescription drug nandrolone decanoate that Organon markets under the brand name Deca-Durabolin. RoidStore claims that “Deca 200” contains a nutritional supplement blend with a name Brian made up called “Nandeconate”, which is definitely not the drug made by Organon.

RoidStore sells another oral supplement called “D-Anabol 25” and they say it contains a nutritional supplement blend with the made up name “Metandesenolone”. Isn’t that curious? “D-Anabol 25” made from “Metandesenolone” sounds an awful lot like the real brand name drug Dianabol produced by pharmaceutical giant Ciba containing the real pharmaceutical methandrostenolone.

RoidStore’s “Tren 75” contains a nutritional supplement blend with a cool sounding fabricated name “Finabolan”, but it does not contain a bit of the real drug trenbolone acetate, which you will find in pharmaceutical giant Hoechst-Roussel’s brand name drug Finaplix.

RoidStore sells something they call “Var 10” which they say contains a nutritional supplement blend with the name they made up of “Oxantrione”. But guess what? “Var 10” doesn’t contain any of the real drug called oxandrolone put out by pharmaceutical giant Searle that Searle sells under the brand name Anavar.

And here’s one of my favorites.

RoidStore sells another oral supplement called “Winn 50” which is a name that sounds an awful lot like pharmaceutical giant Upjohn’s prescription drug Winstrol, which is Upjohn’s brand name for the generic pharmaceutical stanozolol. RoidStore claims that “Winn 50” contains a nutritional supplement blend called “Vanazolol”, which is definitely not the same thing as stanozolol (Winstrol).

Guess who owns the trademarks for D-Anabol 25, Deca 200, Winn 50, Tren 75, Var 10, Nandeconate, Vanazolol, Metandesenolone, and Finabolan? Think it’s Organon, Ciba, Hoechst-Roussel, Searle and Upjohn? Nope, you would be wrong. These trademarks although they sound a lot like the real thing are all owned by Brian Clapp’s company Anabolic Research, LLC.

I wanted you to know what was really in some of RoidStore’s supplements, so I got my hands on a bottle of “Winn 50.” When you get the bottle you find out that “Vanazolol” is actually a proprietary blend of DHEA, taraxacum officinale, (better known as dandelion - yes, the flower) as well as iron, vitamin b12, caffeine, and vanadyl sulphate. All at a retail price of only $95 per bottle! Yes, for a hundred bucks, you could take a pill that wouldn’t help you much more than a multi-vitamin, a salad and a cup of coffee.

Not fully knowing all the above, I foolishly stood by Anthony Roberts when the members were telling me he was a loser and that he needed to go. Now EF has gotten sued by Steroid.com/RoidStore for my poor judgement.

I apologize to all our members for not listening to you earlier.[/QUOTE]

Find me another company with someone at the helm with the integrity to admit an error in judgment--you can't.

That is why they put erasers on pencils --I am behind you and EF 110%

For the bros that read this--the reason we have somene like this is because of member support--plat memberships/e-books/sponsors. These things allow EF to set itself apart from the rest. Please, step-up and support the site.

 

[DJ_UFO]

 

[hurricane]

^^ lololol

 

[eddymerckx]

hehhehehehehehhehehhehehe

 

[nzrodney]

Just an update from his blog;

"My lawyer contacted me and basically told me what they’re offering as a settlement to me, and it’s EXACTLY what I told those fucking pricks I had wanted back in December. I’m not 100% sure why they needed to pay a lawyer to give me what I want. I’m also not 100% sure what Brian’s settlement is either, but since he owns the copyright to the book they infringed on, he’s likely getting a very decent settlement. However, as they have engaged in libel against both myself as well as Brian (with that mailer), that is again, a totally different situation, and again, will likely be a totally new set of lawsuits unless they print a retraction. And I think it’s very likely that they will do just that - since they’ve just offered settlements to both myself as well as Brian, I think it is highly likely that they either do not have the money to fight us (bit off more than they could chew), and they will simply lose the case(s) even if they did have the money.

So I’m predicting a full retraction of that mailer sometime soon, as well as my getting my books back (and selling them on Steroid.com), and some other cool stuff. But in the end, the most damaging thing Elite did (other than lose money and look stupid) is that they gave us the initiative to enter the e-book market and compete with them. Frankly this isn’t a huge deal to us - the company doesn’t need to grow in that direction, but we’ve decided to do it anyway, and that (of course) means a much smaller piece of the e-book market for EF from now on.

Also, I’m not signing a fucking thing with regards to not telling you guys what I got in the settlement, so even though I’m sure EF’s lawyer is going to add that in, I’m not even entertaining that fucking thought"


Just an FYI??

George, is there any truth in these comments? Surely you would not settle with these bastards? I'm sorry I have not read all 37 pages on this thread so if this has been raised before my apologies.

 

[Wrongun]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Just an update from his blog;

"My lawyer contacted me and basically told me what they’re offering as a settlement to me, and it’s EXACTLY what I told those fucking pricks I had wanted back in December. I’m not 100% sure why they needed to pay a lawyer to give me what I want. I’m also not 100% sure what Brian’s settlement is either, but since he owns the copyright to the book they infringed on, he’s likely getting a very decent settlement. However, as they have engaged in libel against both myself as well as Brian (with that mailer), that is again, a totally different situation, and again, will likely be a totally new set of lawsuits unless they print a retraction. And I think it’s very likely that they will do just that - since they’ve just offered settlements to both myself as well as Brian, I think it is highly likely that they either do not have the money to fight us (bit off more than they could chew), and they will simply lose the case(s) even if they did have the money.

So I’m predicting a full retraction of that mailer sometime soon, as well as my getting my books back (and selling them on Steroid.com), and some other cool stuff. But in the end, the most damaging thing Elite did (other than lose money and look stupid) is that they gave us the initiative to enter the e-book market and compete with them. Frankly this isn’t a huge deal to us - the company doesn’t need to grow in that direction, but we’ve decided to do it anyway, and that (of course) means a much smaller piece of the e-book market for EF from now on.

Also, I’m not signing a fucking thing with regards to not telling you guys what I got in the settlement, so even though I’m sure EF’s lawyer is going to add that in, I’m not even entertaining that fucking thought"


Just an FYI??

George, is there any truth in these comments? Surely you would not settle with these bastards? I'm sorry I have not read all 37 pages on this thread so if this has been raised before my apologies.

Sometimes a commercial view has to be taken as with any litigation it is very expensive for all involved just on legal fees never mind if you win or not as you have to pay to get to court. Litigation can go on for months / years before you even get to court and there is considerable expense preparing.

Also you have to look at what you can win. If you win and get awarded damages can the defendant or claimant actually pay them. If the organisation is liquidated as a result then what benefit to you get other than proving your point at a considerable cost of legal fees.

The ones that are certain to win are the legal teams as they get their money on account pre doing any work so if possible and negotiation can bring a resolve then its always worth investigation and trying to agree.

Unfortunately due to posts like this and the blog it forces both claimenet and defendant into a position its hard to back down from. But at what cost do you put that would it be at the risk of Elitefitness or steroid.com as a business as it could well end up like that

Hope negotiations are going well and a resolve can be found

Wrongun!

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Just an update from his blog;

"My lawyer contacted me and basically told me what they’re offering as a settlement to me, and it’s EXACTLY what I told those fucking pricks I had wanted back in December. I’m not 100% sure why they needed to pay a lawyer to give me what I want. I’m also not 100% sure what Brian’s settlement is either, but since he owns the copyright to the book they infringed on, he’s likely getting a very decent settlement. However, as they have engaged in libel against both myself as well as Brian (with that mailer), that is again, a totally different situation, and again, will likely be a totally new set of lawsuits unless they print a retraction. And I think it’s very likely that they will do just that - since they’ve just offered settlements to both myself as well as Brian, I think it is highly likely that they either do not have the money to fight us (bit off more than they could chew), and they will simply lose the case(s) even if they did have the money.

So I’m predicting a full retraction of that mailer sometime soon, as well as my getting my books back (and selling them on Steroid.com), and some other cool stuff. But in the end, the most damaging thing Elite did (other than lose money and look stupid) is that they gave us the initiative to enter the e-book market and compete with them. Frankly this isn’t a huge deal to us - the company doesn’t need to grow in that direction, but we’ve decided to do it anyway, and that (of course) means a much smaller piece of the e-book market for EF from now on.

Also, I’m not signing a fucking thing with regards to not telling you guys what I got in the settlement, so even though I’m sure EF’s lawyer is going to add that in, I’m not even entertaining that fucking thought"


Just an FYI??

George, is there any truth in these comments? Surely you would not settle with these bastards? I'm sorry I have not read all 37 pages on this thread so if this has been raised before my apologies.

The only people that will make out in a case like this are the attorneys. Period. There is no big financial victory at the end for anyone. So ultimately, it is in EF's and George's best interest to settle this case rather than to waste EF's resources dragging it on. I know George is fully committed to the site and its members though, and highly doubt he is going to agree to any settlement that hurts the community.

If I had my guess, I would think George just wants to make sure no settlement contains an agreement for continued Roidstore advertising. It sounded from reading GS's first post that this was the big thing they wanted to settle the case.

Any other updates?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Sometimes a commercial view has to be taken as with any litigation it is very expensive for all involved just on legal fees never mind if you win or not as you have to pay to get to court. Litigation can go on for months / years before you even get to court and there is considerable expense preparing.

Especially federal IP cases, such as copyright. Been in business for 7 years now, and have spent a few of these in federal litigation protecting my intellectual property. This industry can be disgusting, actually, and not enough people/companies have the proper respect for others' IP rights.

I learned a long time ago what a federal suit entails. I wouldn't initiate one unless I was committed to seeing it through, which could be several years for even a simple case. You also need to be prepared to spend far more money protecting IP rights that you'd ever expect to recover. Courts VERY RARELY force the losing party to cover expenses of the victor, unfortunately.

 

[access]

As an adjunct to Bill's comments I can testify to exactly what he is saying with a case I was involved with several years ago now. Not to go into too much detail but it was over copyright infringment and ended up in federal court. It took 3 years to actually get it into court to begin with and I spent in the vicinity of $120,000 over those 3 years in "legal wrangling". I ended up winning my case before the federal court and had costs awarded for me (i was defendant) but the court has a scale of costs and relates directly to actual court time and does not cover associated costs leading up to trial so I was awrded $20,000 in court costs leaving me out 100K plus there were other issues concerning confiscated stock etc that was held for 3 years and was then practically worthless after trial.

So in the end the lawyers certainly do get richer but the parties involved, even when you win end up servely out of pocket.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

So basically to file suit it would be merely on principal and not monetary.

Especially federal IP cases, such as copyright. Been in business for 7 years now, and have spent a few of these in federal litigation protecting my intellectual property. This industry can be disgusting, actually, and not enough people/companies have the proper respect for others' IP rights.

I learned a long time ago what a federal suit entails. I wouldn't initiate one unless I was committed to seeing it through, which could be several years for even a simple case. You also need to be prepared to spend far more money protecting IP rights that you'd ever expect to recover. Courts VERY RARELY force the losing party to cover expenses of the victor, unfortunately.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

So basically to file suit it would be merely on principal and not monetary.

In my experience, cases like this should be initiated on principal mostly (ie protecting your Intellectual Property). If you go into a case like this expecting a big pay-out at the end, you are probably going to be very disappointed.

 

[George Spellwin]

George, is there any truth in these comments? Surely you would not settle with these bastards? I'm sorry I have not read all 37 pages on this thread so if this has been raised before my apologies.

As many of you know, our servers are located outside of the US. Digger is trying to set up a second presence in another data-center in another country. The goal is to prevent EF from going down if our ISP went bankrupt, experienced a natural disaster, had a catastrophic power failure etc. All these events are incredibly unlikely to happen, but you can never be too protected. Setting this up is very expensive and everyone would much rather we spend the company's money on a new second data center presence than on a lawsuit. Of course we have the money to fight Steroid.com and RoidStore.com, but I cannot think of a more stupid use of money... Unless it was the decision to sue us in the first place over a book we did not write so you could attempt to capture all of our ad space for your RoidStore.

 

[MichaelScott]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

In my experience, cases like this should be initiated on principal mostly (ie protecting your Intellectual Property). If you go into a case like this expecting a big pay-out at the end, you are probably going to be very disappointed.

its kinda like the insurance companies and big business it is cheaper and less hassle to pay out a sum than go through the court and fees, etc. it is not that you are acknowldging guilt just the cheaper way out from a business standpoint

 

[George Spellwin]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Sometimes a commercial view has to be taken as with any litigation it is very expensive for all involved just on legal fees never mind if you win or not as you have to pay to get to court. Litigation can go on for months / years before you even get to court and there is considerable expense preparing.

Also you have to look at what you can win. If you win and get awarded damages can the defendant or claimant actually pay them. If the organisation is liquidated as a result then what benefit to you get other than proving your point at a considerable cost of legal fees.

The ones that are certain to win are the legal teams as they get their money on account pre doing any work so if possible and negotiation can bring a resolve then its always worth investigation and trying to agree.

Wrongun!

Wrongun!,

You always make great points - thank you for your support.

It appears that what Brian Clapp/RoidStore wants is tons of ad space for the Roid Store and cash as a distant second.

And unfortunately, it appears that all Anthony wants is to spend his boss Brian's money so he can claim he powned EF and me.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

its kinda like the insurance companies and big business it is cheaper and less hassle to pay out a sum than go through the court and fees, etc. it is not that you are acknowldging guilt just the cheaper way out from a business standpoint

Exactly. It would be nice to fight over principles, but usually it is better to look at the big picture. GS is a reasonable guy, so I am sure he is making his decisions with the EF community in mind.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Wrongun!,

it appears that all Anthony wants is to spend his boss Brian's money so he can claim he powned EF and me.

Its PWNED. No O. Get yer' video game slang in order there George. Don't make me bring my X-Box over and show you a real PWNING!

 

[GUARDIAN]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Its PWNED. No O. Get yer' video game slang in order there George. Don't make me bring my X-Box over and show you a real PWNING!

I would like to see a youtube clip of this event.

 

[DBBT]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

As many of you know, our servers are located outside of the US. Digger is trying to set up a second presence in another data-center in another country. The goal is to prevent EF from going down if our ISP went bankrupt, experienced a natural disaster, had a catastrophic power failure etc. All these events are incredibly unlikely to happen, but you can never be too protected. Setting this up is very expensive and everyone would much rather we spend the company's money on a new second data center presence than on a lawsuit. Of course we have the money to fight Steroid.com and RoidStore.com, but I cannot think of a more stupid use of money... Unless it was the decision to sue us in the first place over a book we did not write so you could attempt to capture all of our ad space for your RoidStore.

everyone go lifetime plat... everyone now

 

[Wrongun]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Wrongun!,

You always make great points - thank you for your support.

It appears that what Brian Clapp/RoidStore wants is tons of ad space for the Roid Store and cash as a distant second.

And unfortunately, it appears that all Anthony wants is to spend his boss Brian's money so he can claim he powned EF and me.

Good luck with mediation to all hope we see an end to it soon

Wrongun!

 

[eddymerckx]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Especially federal IP cases, such as copyright. Been in business for 7 years now, and have spent a few of these in federal litigation protecting my intellectual property. This industry can be disgusting, actually, and not enough people/companies have the proper respect for others' IP rights.

I learned a long time ago what a federal suit entails. I wouldn't initiate one unless I was committed to seeing it through, which could be several years for even a simple case. You also need to be prepared to spend far more money protecting IP rights that you'd ever expect to recover. Courts VERY RARELY force the losing party to cover expenses of the victor, unfortunately.

Respectufully--I and i do mean it--I have 3 eds of your book--I disagree: if the IP right is registered fed there is a mandatory atty's fees provison in the Acts-moreover, it is a business decision--if you rely on a common law right to protect your property rights, you take the good with the bad--there is no common law right to atty's fees in the US. you may have some under state law, but those are usually preempted by the fed law (or limited to the net % of the case that was brought under state law e.g. unfair comp. laws).

 

[George Spellwin]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Its PWNED. No O. Get yer' video game slang in order there George. Don't make me bring my X-Box over and show you a real PWNING!

There you go calling me out for trying to type younger than I am! You could bring it over on Friday, but I bet your wife would be upset if we play X-Box instead of taking her to dinner.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

Respectufully--I and i do mean it--I have 3 eds of your book--I disagree: if the IP right is registered fed there is a mandatory atty's fees provison in the Acts-moreover, it is a business decision--if you rely on a common law right to protect your property rights, you take the good with the bad--there is no common law right to atty's fees in the US. you may have some under state law, but those are usually preempted by the fed law (or limited to the net % of the case that was brought under state law e.g. unfair comp. laws).

I am no expert. I have been involved with 2 federal patent suits, 1 federal trademark suit, and 1 federal copyright infringement suit. From them I've learned a little bit about law, more about what is possible and what is actually likely to happen. In all cases I was advised I had a very strong position, and we were going to win. I was also advised in most cases that it would be highly unlikely the court would award attorney's fees, or we'd even collect anything from the other party.

A very good attorney once gave me some really good insight. In his whole career, he'd won a lot of great judgments for his clients. Mind you I picked the guy because he was a well known litigator. He told me in only a very small percentage of cases did the defendants actually write out a check and pay his client after they lost.

In short, even getting a judgement for fees is one thing. Actually getting some dipshit that rips people off for a living to give you the money he owes you is a whole other. "Good Luck Collecting" is a common phrase.

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

There you go calling me out for trying to type younger than I am! You could bring it over on Friday, but I bet your wife would be upset if we play X-Box instead of taking her to dinner.

Definitely. She's not one to complain about a little gaming, but certainly will if it gets in the way of an awesome dinner!

 

[GUARDIAN]

eddie have any of your partners or you recouped attorney fees/expenses from such a suit?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

To get back to my original point, it is usually best to settle these things if you can. There usually isn't a pot of gold waiting for you at the end when you are suing some other middle-level business owner. Get a claim against Wallmart or something and it is a different story.

 

[bw1]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

I am no expert. I have been involved with 2 federal patent suits, 1 federal trademark suit, and 1 federal copyright infringement suit. From them I've learned a little bit about law, more about what is possible and what is actually likely to happen. In all cases I was advised I had a very strong position, and we were going to win. I was also advised in most cases that it would be highly unlikely the court would award attorney's fees, or we'd even collect anything from the other party.

A very good attorney once gave me some really good insight. In his whole career, he'd won a lot of great judgments for his clients. Mind you I picked the guy because he was a well known litigator. He told me in only a very small percentage of cases did the defendants actually write out a check and pay his client after they lost.

In short, even getting a judgement for fees is one thing. Actually getting some dipshit that rips people off for a living to give you the money he owes you is a whole other. "Good Luck Collecting" is a common phrase.

Well said...

 

[eddymerckx]

eddie have any of your partners or you recouped attorney fees/expenses from such a suit?

yes. i remember two offhand--federal trademark infringement suits. as far as collecting the fee--when the payment is made by the defendant and deposited into my trust account--i promise you the firm gets paid--however, as Bill noted that is assuming the defendant can pay and --the kicker is the total amount is taxable to the plaintiff--so if they win $100 and get $25 in atty fees, the plaintif is taxed as if the awared was $125.

in trademark suits, they key is if you don't sue to enforce your rights, you can lose your rights to the mark itself--som macdonalds is not being mean when it sues the hamburger stand up the street, it has to to defend its exclusive right to the mark. so even the infringer has no $$, you have to sue or risk losing the mark.

section 1117 of the lanham act:
(a) Profits; damages and costs; attorney fees
When a violation of any right of the registrant of a mark registered in the Patent and Trademark Office, a violation under section 1125 (a) or (d) of this title, or a willful violation under section 1125 (c) of this title, shall have been established in any civil action arising under this chapter, the plaintiff shall be entitled, subject to the provisions of sections 1111 and 1114 of this title, and subject to the principles of equity, to recover
(1) defendant’s profits,
(2) any damages sustained by the plaintiff, and
(3) the costs of the action. The court shall assess such profits and damages or cause the same to be assessed under its direction. In assessing profits the plaintiff shall be required to prove defendant’s sales only; defendant must prove all elements of cost or deduction claimed.

 

[GUARDIAN]

good thing i havent said or writtne anything smart enuf yet that warrants protecting my rights.

yes. i remember two offhand--federal trademark infringement suits. as far as collecting the fee--when the payment is made by the defendant and deposited into my trust account--i promise you the firm gets paid--however, as Bill noted that is assuming the defendant can pay and --the kicker is the total amount is taxable to the plaintiff--so if they win $100 and get $25 in atty fees, the plaintif is taxed as if the awared was $125.

in trademark suits, they key is if you don't sue to enforce your rights, you can lose your rights to the mark itself--som macdonalds is not being mean when it sues the hamburger stand up the street, it has to to defend its exclusive right to the mark. so even the infringer has no $$, you have to sue or risk losing the mark.

section 1117 of the lanham act:
(a) Profits; damages and costs; attorney fees
When a violation of any right of the registrant of a mark registered in the Patent and Trademark Office, a violation under section 1125 (a) or (d) of this title, or a willful violation under section 1125 (c) of this title, shall have been established in any civil action arising under this chapter, the plaintiff shall be entitled, subject to the provisions of sections 1111 and 1114 of this title, and subject to the principles of equity, to recover
(1) defendant’s profits,
(2) any damages sustained by the plaintiff, and
(3) the costs of the action. The court shall assess such profits and damages or cause the same to be assessed under its direction. In assessing profits the plaintiff shall be required to prove defendant’s sales only; defendant must prove all elements of cost or deduction claimed.

 

[eddymerckx]

good thing i havent said or writtne anything smart enuf yet that warrants protecting my rights.

me neither--
the important thing is to make sure you write or create somthing that warrantes infringement by the like of someone with more resources that AR---a judgment against him is hate to say it, but not worth the paper it is written on

 

[Wrongun]

Re: Discuss EliteFitness.com News: How Anthony Roberts & Steroid.com Raped George Spe

To get back to my original point, it is usually best to settle these things if you can. There usually isn't a pot of gold waiting for you at the end when you are suing some other middle-level business owner. Get a claim against Wallmart or something and it is a different story.

EXACTLY and so glad people are starting to see sense. When you get the emotion out of the way you really have got to take the commercial view. If you don't then quite easily through stubbornness it could be the end of Elitefitness and or Steroid.com

Glad all are seeing sense and hope it can be resolved. If not it has to go to court but even if you win it can just be a pride thing as there is as Bill says no pot og gold at the end of this one

Wrongun!

 

[nzrodney]

me neither--
the important thing is to make sure you write or create somthing that warrantes infringement by the like of someone with more resources that AR---a judgment against him is hate to say it, but not worth the paper it is written on

So then, why would you bother settling out of court with him. Then its a win win situation. If you dont settle, he has to sue you and prove your guilt. This is something that will cost him a lot of money & he knows he is not certain to win. It seems to me he just thinks this is an easy way to make a quick buck. If Ef sues him on principle, as you say eddym, there is still no gaurantee of getting any money out of him. Where is the justice in that?

 

[George Spellwin]

So then, why would you bother settling out of court with him. Then its a win win situation. If you dont settle, he has to sue you and prove your guilt. This is something that will cost him a lot of money & he knows he is not certain to win. It seems to me he just thinks this is an easy way to make a quick buck. If Ef sues him on principle, as you say eddym, there is still no gaurantee of getting any money out of him. Where is the justice in that?

I'm afraid there is no justice. The real winners are the lawyers unfortunately.

 

[Wrongun]

Litigation and justice are NOT the same thing. The only ones sure to win every time are the lawyers

Wrongun!

 

[silver_shadow]

and here it is http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/importance-steroids-543086.html

 

[blackthunder]

and here it is http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/importance-steroids-543086.html

That was a great thread!!

The funniest part was the “Conspiracy” that the only people bashing Connors were new members sent by a former sponsor to cause problems!!!!

 

[str8nubin]

and here it is http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/importance-steroids-543086.html

So why isnt that thread in the best of elite fitness

 

[str8nubin]

It was a good thread by Nelson too =)