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desparity between size and strength

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blowdpanis

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just curious how many 'not so big' guys that are out there that can put up some impressive numbers.

i realized that in several years of training now (5, though only a couple/few have been worthwhile), i haven't really eaten like a bodybuilder. as a consequence, i am not very big muscularly, but i have attained a fair amount of relative strength.

examples:

i recently dipped bodyweight + 105 for 11 clean reps (full ROM).
i can do ~8 chinups with 75-85 lbs around my waist
i recently trap bar deadlifted 280 for 15 (with straps)

however, my bodyweight is like 160 and i'm probably in the 10-12% bodyfat range at 5'9". i look like i work out, but i'm no bodybuilder.

p.s. in experimenting with some doggcrapp style training the past few weeks, i have to give this man full props. i LOVE the format, i love the weighted stretches etc :)
 
Unless I tell someone that I workout, most people don't know it. But at 148 lbs, I've posted competition lifts (single ply gear) of 405 squat, 235 bench, and 435 deadlift. For me, strength does not necessarily equal size. I've also seen 97 pound girls squat and deadlift over 3x bodyweight.
 
SofaGeorge said:


I've got a friend who benched 595 lbs at (I think) 176 lbs bodyweight.

That's more impressive to me than a 300 lbs man benching 595 lbs.
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Of course. . . its much more impressive.

I was saying that when my muscles grow, I get stronger.
 
I have seen lots of examples of strength not equalling size and vice versa. I think though that generally speaking, if you get stronger, you will get bigger.

Bigguns, I checked out your site and I do have to tell you that my first thought was, "Wow, that can't be the person putting up those numbers!" Very impressive, and you're very attractive to boot. Im not a dog, just paying you a compliment.
 
blinddeafmute said:
Bigguns, I checked out your site and I do have to tell you that my first thought was, "Wow, that can't be the person putting up those numbers!" Very impressive, and you're very attractive to boot. Im not a dog, just paying you a compliment.
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Thank you :)
 
I am the same way. I get stronger but grow very, very slow. My bodyweight has only changed by about 4 lbs since last year, and not all of that is muscle. The lifts that you mentioned are not very strong, they are strong for your size though. Try to keep increasing the strength more and maybe you will gain muscle as well
 
to rev:

i don't even know many bodybuilder types that can chin/dip as much as me :) my lower body sucks, hence the mediocre deads (ie weak bottom portion of posterior chain).

not that i'm superman, but it is good relative strength, i think.

the main difference is eating. the size = strength thing comes from eating hypercalorically, and they are definitively overlapping conceps. if you don't eat enough, they're not quite the same thing at all :)
 
How much do you squat, benchpress, military press, row or any other big lifts?
 
revexrevex said:
The lifts that you mentioned are not very strong, they are strong for your size though. Try to keep increasing the strength more and maybe you will gain muscle as well
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Blowdpanis, your lifts sound fine to me. You're well on your way to bigger numbers and with that comes more muscle. It can be a long painstaking process when you're "clean", but the muscle will come if that's your goal.
 
He has been training for 5 years. How long is "long process" until he starts seeing improvements? That's what many people say, "Just keep doing it and something will happen in the future". It is just an excuse to dismiss the problem, to sweep it under the carpet. Those are very strong lifts, but I want to find out how he does on other exercises that do not involve own bodyweight.
 
revexrevex said:
He has been training for 5 years. How long is "long process" until he starts seeing improvements? That's what many people say, "Just keep doing it and something will happen in the future". It is just an excuse to dismiss the problem, to sweep it under the carpet. Those are very strong lifts, but I want to find out how he does on other exercises that do not involve own bodyweight.
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He just said "i haven't really eaten like a bodybuilder". Diet like was suggested in an earlier post would probably be the solution.

And, how much do you squat, benchpress, military press, row or any other big lifts? Who cares?

The guy knows he needs help with diet. With that, it's still a long process to build your body.
 
I care. What business is it of yours to interfere? If his core lifts are on the low side, OR they have not increased lately, then that COULD explain why he has not grown as he was suppose to. Diet is just a part of equation, training is important too.
 
revexrevex said:
I care. What business is it of yours to interfere? If his core lifts are on the low side, OR they have not increased lately, then that COULD explain why he has not grown as he was suppose to. Diet is just a part of equation, training is important too.
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Ok, you're the guru. Note that the post asked "how many 'not so big' guys that are out there that can put up some impressive numbers".

Best of luck to you Blowdpanis. Eat smart, train smart, and be patient. You'll reach those goals if you stay consistent.
 
I am no guru, you obviously have more practical and theoretical experience than me. I am not challenging any of your statements or your knowledge. I want to learn from this just as much as you do.
 
IronLion said:
To ask what his core lifts are is a valid question. When you weigh 160 pounds bodyweight plus exercises are kind of deceiving, all rev was saying is that he may not be as strong relatively as he thinks. If your benching double bodyweight, squatting triple and pulling 2.5 then yes you are very strong for your size.
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yap that is what I meant by asking him for his lifts.
 
To ask what his core lifts are is a valid question. When you weigh 160 pounds bodyweight plus exercises are kind of deceiving, all rev was saying is that he may not be as strong relatively as he thinks. If your benching double bodyweight, squatting triple and pulling 2.5 then yes you are very strong for your size.
 
What the hell is that one great bencher's name.....George Halbert? Didn't he bench around 680 at like 220 or something?

I think that size helps, but a big part of being strong is neurological.
 
slobberknocker said:
What the hell is that one great bencher's name.....George Halbert? Didn't he bench around 680 at like 220 or something?

I think that size helps, but a big part of being strong is neurological.
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I agree
 
I've been having a different problem. I've been putting on mass with very little strength increases. I guess my metabolism has slowed down now that I'm 34. I weigh 210, bench probably 285 and squat/deadlift around 335. My strength to weight ratio sucks.
 
Yeah, I trained casually for years with very little to show for it in strength or size because I didn't eat right. Gotta take in an excess of energy and lots of protein to build muscle. Can't build a house without the raw materials.
 
deads were mentioned, 280 for 15 with straps being my best performance probably. i performed 325 for 3 without straps a couple months back.

my weakest lifts are bench and squats, i think.

i haven't consistently trained barbell bench for ~2 years.

flat barbell bench best performance is something like uh...210 for ~7/8 (not so good). i haven't maxed in forever.

my best performance in a bench-ish exercise is 98 lb (they're 18 lbs each with clips) dumbbells in incline bench for 5 reps.

standing military press best performance was about a year ago when i performed my own bodyweight for a rep (155 lbs) clean.

squats my best performance is 200 for 15 reps, or 260 for 5.

curls my best performance is ~110-115 lbs for 8 reps.

my diet has been 'alright' for ~1.5 years, getting at or near 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight with adequate healthy fat (via some olive oil, unsalted almonds etc). my carb intake has still been kinda 'ehh' as i've always just preferred staying lean.

my highest bodyweight was ~175 lbs at ~15% bodyfat, which i assume is more muscle than i'm currently holding. i cut down, though, because i hate getting a gut at all :)

so yah, i'm really no superman, but i wasn't pretending i was. as indicated originally, A) i was just saying i had good RELATIVE (relative to my bodyweight, eg dips/chins) strength and B) that my diet needs a lot of improvement, primarily in the form of an assload of quality carbs, probably.
 
oh yah, i figure i'd throw in an anecdote about barbell rows:

i found that i could perform barbell rows with a close, neutral grip via using an olympic triceps bar. if you are capable of doing so, i really recommend it...the amount of weight i was lifting improved noticably. best performance = 175 for 10.
 
Bigguns::Unless I tell someone that I workout, most people don't know it. But at 148 lbs, I've posted competition lifts (single ply gear) of 405 squat, 235 bench, and 435 deadlift. For me, strength does not necessarily equal size. I've also seen 97 pound girls squat and deadlift over 3x bodyweight.

Doggcrapp:: Ive seen amazing displays of strength too with people that dont eat enough or are staying in weight classes. That doesnt apply here--I can drop a 454 in a car with a supercharger on it but if I dont have any gas in the car Im not going too far or too fast am I? You take somebody who has great genetics (and other factors) for strength and put them on 2 + grams of protein a day and shore up any other holes in their diet and Ill show you someone who is gaining so fast it will make your head spin. If a powerlifter in the 220lb class is curbing back cals to stay in the 220lb class do you think he is going to get much larger? If he decides to compete at 275lbs he is going to blow up and its not going to be 55lbs of fat he puts on to get there. He will probaly put on 40lbs of muscle--15lbs of fat and his strength will go thru the roof. This is the biggest problem in these sports--people always think its their training and 98% of the time its diet, If your 180 but you train hardcore and like a psychotic madman but eat just enough to maintain 180lbs your going to stay a buck 80 with very little size increase.
 
Doggcrap: How about if you eat maintanence calories. Shouldn't you drop bodyfat, or atleast somehow improve body composition? Or do you think that by eating maintanence calories, or slightly below maintance calories, the body composition won't change even though there are strength increases?
 
DOGGCRAPP said:

Doggcrapp:: Ive seen amazing displays of strength too with people that dont eat enough or are staying in weight classes. That doesnt apply here--I can drop a 454 in a car with a supercharger on it but if I dont have any gas in the car Im not going too far or too fast am I? You take somebody who has great genetics (and other factors) for strength and put them on 2 + grams of protein a day and shore up any other holes in their diet and Ill show you someone who is gaining so fast it will make your head spin. If a powerlifter in the 220lb class is curbing back cals to stay in the 220lb class do you think he is going to get much larger? If he decides to compete at 275lbs he is going to blow up and its not going to be 55lbs of fat he puts on to get there. He will probaly put on 40lbs of muscle--15lbs of fat and his strength will go thru the roof. This is the biggest problem in these sports--people always think its their training and 98% of the time its diet, If your 180 but you train hardcore and like a psychotic madman but eat just enough to maintain 180lbs your going to stay a buck 80 with very little size increase.
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The point of this thread was to ask how many 'not so big' people are out there that can put up some impressive numbers. I'm just saying that you can be incredibly strong and not look like it.
I understand how important diet is and if I wanted to bulk, I would. However, as a girl that's not my goal. My goal is to get as strong as possible staying at my size.
 
Doggcrap, and another thing. Does the increased eating have to be done in parallel with the heavy training in order to increase in size? How about if I eat maintanance calories, but keep increasing in strength. Then one day I decide to eat more, will the mass catch up to the strength, or will those days of my strength increasing be wasted forever because I did not eat enough?
 
I dont think many people realize you are a girl bigguns, or that you are a powerlifter.

I can see why with the numbers you put up.

DC,

Just a personal thanks for getting your program out there (especially without expecting people to pay for it). I've given it a shot and made very good gains. Thank you.
 
In general, if you gain strength you will be gaining size. Your diet must be adequate for this to occur.
 
I posted that before knowing there was even a page 2, and DC put about 2 more paragraphs into it haha
 
DOGGCRAPP said:
Doggcrapp: and thats exactly what you should say to the 95% of the bodybuilders out there that dont look any different than they did 2 years prior--because as simple of a statement as it is they obviously havent figured it out yet
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Let's continue to spread the word.
 
DOGGCRAPP said:
Bigguns:::My goal is to get as strong as possible staying at my size.

Doggcrapp:: Very impressive numbers you stated in your first post bigguns--and your pictures are too--your very beautiful.

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Thanks!:)
 
Bigguns:::My goal is to get as strong as possible staying at my size.

Doggcrapp:: Very impressive numbers you stated in your first post bigguns--and your pictures are too--your very beautiful.

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Doggcrapp::If your 180 but you train hardcore and like a psychotic madman but eat just enough to maintain 180lbs your going to stay a buck 80 with very little size increase.

Pwr_machine: Duh!

Doggcrapp: and thats exactly what you should say to the 95% of the bodybuilders out there that dont look any different than they did 2 years prior--because as simple of a statement as it is they obviously havent figured it out yet
 
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