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Dermacrine !??

Vascular Freak said:
PP the producer of dermacrine is sending me a sample to test for my PCT. I will be sure to give honest feedback on the product when I receive and try it. I don't see what all the fuss is about. People will still use AIFM for an AI, and may add dermacrine to there PCT regime. The ingredients are proven to work in many other studies. It seems like a big conflict of interest problem of having two similar products for sale on the same board....but it shouldn't. Theres plenty of love and wealth to be spread to each of our sponsors.
good shit i was wondering if there would be more testers.ya there both deferent and prob would work great together hand in hand.now lets get coop to make a pic of it.lol
 
Ulter said:
I rarely see them because I use my PDA/phone to post a lot so I have signatures turned off so the pages load faster. But I turned them on the other day and was like, holy shit, these signatures are bigger than these people's myspace pages.
I think thats were they are getting all this glitter crap from.when myspace came out they started giving links to glitter pics and letters and stuff and people started using it here.I here ya on it taking up time when i go threw some of them log threads it takes me 5 mins to scroll threw one page.
 
Twoguns said:
Ok, I followed the link under MR X's signature to read about this Dermacrine stuff. One heck of an impressive website. So is this a version of AIFM or something. Does anyone have any unbiased opinions. Don't bash so the thread doesn't get shut down.


So, twoguns, did we answer your question? :)

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
So, twoguns, did we answer your question?



I don't know if he really had one. He just wanted to see a fight.




-BRR
 
You brought up the point that lower estrogen does not mean higher testosterone in the example that if one is taking a strong AI and not on 1 gram of test. Have you done any test to see if your product raises testosterone in measurable levels for those who are older and NOT on gear.

My main concern is lowered test due to aging (andropause) and raising testosterone without having to see an HRT doctor
 
Just out of curiousity , why are you promoting saliva tests???
I have seen 4 separate endocronogolists and all 4 of them have said that saliva tests for testosterone , estrogen and cortisol are totally worthless

Primordial Performance said:
Ulter,

For the record: We had several [private] testers perform blood and saliva testing during product development. This allowed us to tweak the formula before releasing it to the public. Analyzing anecdotal reports of “nipple sensitivity” is not what we call “data collection.”

Based on your reply, you have not performed blood or saliva tests on individuals. That is negligent at best.

I have no doubt AIFM is “strong shit” and I’m sure plenty of bros here stand behind it. I simply doubt that it is the ideal product to use for PCT.

I think what everyone wants to know here is – what works better for PCT, Dermacrine or AIFM?

If you have any pertinent argument here please post it. Otherwise, no more desperate counterfactual statements. M’kay?

-Pp
 
I may have to try it myself. I am not doing gear and since I work with the feds , doing gear would be totally stupid.

But I am concerned about lower test via aging and this product may be the best choice for a non gear user

Vascular Freak said:
PP the producer of dermacrine is sending me a sample to test for my PCT. I will be sure to give honest feedback on the product when I receive and try it. I don't see what all the fuss is about. People will still use AIFM for an AI, and may add dermacrine to there PCT regime. The ingredients are proven to work in many other studies. It seems like a big conflict of interest problem of having two similar products for sale on the same board....but it shouldn't. Theres plenty of love and wealth to be spread to each of our sponsors.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Just out of curiousity , why are you promoting saliva tests???
I have seen 4 separate endocronogolists and all 4 of them have said that saliva tests for testosterone , estrogen and cortisol are totally worthless

Hmm, interesting.

I have to say there is a conflict of interest there. Those endocrinologists would much rather take your blood, as Im about 99% sure they wouldn’t make a dime going through a 3rd party lab to have your saliva tested. If there is a legitimate reason for saliva testing being “totally worthless” I would like to hear about it.

I have no vested interest in the kits that I sell except a small profit.. and trust me I don’t make much on them. I simply provide them to give my customers an easy way to test product efficiency. In fact, the saliva kits serve well to provide reference when using any hormonal product.

gjohnson5 said:
You brought up the point that lower estrogen does not mean higher testosterone in the example that if one is taking a strong AI and not on 1 gram of test. Have you done any test to see if your product raises testosterone in measurable levels for those who are older and NOT on gear.

My main concern is lowered test due to aging (andropause) and raising testosterone without having to see an HRT doctor


The attachment is a saliva test we performed on a 44 yr old man who used Dermacrine and was not on AAS. He had about a 140% increase in free testosterone. He also had a very sharp rise in progesterone, from the excessive 3b HSD activity in the skin. We had to reduce pregnenolone in the formula to compensate for this. However, keeping a fair amount of progesterone in your system while having high testosterone levels will prevent excessive formation of DHT, helping to avoid prostate and hair loss issues. This tester used about 35 spray pumps everyday.

The tester noted increased energy, increased muscle "pump" during workouts, and slight increase in sex drive.

-Pp
 
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