thanks alot for your help guys, its just tough I have a bottle of Dbol just chillen with me all set with liquidex and nolva on hand and all my older buddies are tellin me just to do it. I figure ive been working out for about 3-4 years now and I have certaintly not hit my genetic limits but Im in good shape and very curious about this Dbol. I gotta try it and probably will. Ill keep you guys updated.