Dbol Real Gains (Retainable)

[Judo Tom]

if you have too many sides it will be counter productive to make gains.

it is most certainly not true the higher the dosage the better the gains.. if you cannot sleep at night and are feeling blah all the time from the high bp then it makes it hard to grow

GREAT POST! More mg doesnt always mean more gains.

in both the short term like you are talking about or even long term. take a ton of dbol and wreck your liver and see how jacked you are in 10 years.

if you can make good gains w/ 20-30 mg of dbol stay there and be happy with a nice side free, or easy to combat side, dosage that allows good gains..

if you cant make good gains w/ 20-30mg of dbol than you need to adjust your training, diet, or something else is off.

 

[KratosGOW]

if you can make good gains w/ 20-30 mg of dbol stay there and be happy with a nice side free, or easy to combat side, dosage that allows good gains..

if you cant make good gains w/ 20-30mg of dbol than you need to adjust your training, diet, or something else is off.

It depends on your goals
if you stick to dbol and with those dosages
you would spend 1 year more of hard work to gain what u would gain at 50-60 in much less time.
it really depends on your goals,if you want to get bigger and faster u can't stick to 20,your body gets used to it from what i've read in various forum's topics.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^don't forget your androgen receptors.

guys that run high dosages of AAS will have a tough time growing on their next cycle cause they fry their receptors.

also on your point that 60mg of dbol can give you faster gains than 30, we will have to agree to disagree. i have never run high dosages of AAS and have made incredible gains the past 3 years i've been bodybuilding. I always run the lower end of the scale of dosages that fitness sites recommend. as long as you know how to diet (cals, carbs, protein), workout (minimum 5-6X per week, 15 sets, split workouts), and you keep your body in an anabolic/androgenic state (limit stress, get good sleep) you will gain muscle everytime whether you run 10mg or 100mg dbol a day.. in fact right now I am natty running unleashed, gear, creatine, protein bars all from NTBM and I am making gains

i do think your gains on 60mg dbol is a lot of water, it will aromatize in the body and fast. it will make your muscles look full.

 

[Judo Tom]

what are your stats and history? Im just doubting you are at the point where you NEED 60mg.

I could argue that why dont you just take 150mg of dbol and you will make even more gains.. or wait.. how about 300mg of dbol a day and you will get HUGE..

it depends on your strategy more so then your goals. are you willing do do anything and risk your health and life to get these goals or do you want a safer approach. do you want to rely on drugs to get your goals accomplished or are you willing to put the hard work in the gym and in the kitchen. can you stick to a diet and not cheat? etc etc

 

[KratosGOW]

if you cant make good gains w/ 20-30mg of dbol than you need to adjust your training, diet, or something else is off.

I would never increase dosage because i'm not growing,i would
modify my diet,training,and sleeping.
So said this i would increase to have BIGGER gains and i don't get
what you're trying to prove.Everyone has his health,it doesn't mean that
if you have problems and sides by 60 mgs everyone has to have 'em.
If u know what i mean...

 

[Judo Tom]

look its just an opinion.. its like saying what is a better cycle 500mg of test, 1g of test or 2g of test.

The one that produces the most gains during the cycle is not necessarily the best cycle.

And again it depends on your stats/history and goals.

 

[mryar]

^^^don't forget your androgen receptors.

guys that run high dosages of AAS will have a tough time growing on their next cycle cause they fry their receptors.

Not really understanding "fry their receptors." Simply working out releases cortisol which breaks proteins (androgen receptor is a protein) down.

"Androgen receptor content did not change one hour following the single set [of squats] but significantly decreased by 46% following the multiple set. Increasing the volume of resistance exercise significantly affects acute metabolic and hormonal responses. In addition, the higher volume of resistance exercise resulted in a reduction in androgen receptor content in skeletal muscle one hour post-exercise possibly due to greater protein catabolism associated with the higher level of stress."
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[KratosGOW]

Not really understanding "fry their receptors." Simply working out releases cortisol which breaks proteins (androgen receptor is a protein) down.

"Androgen receptor content did not change one hour following the single set [of squats] but significantly decreased by 46% following the multiple set. Increasing the volume of resistance exercise significantly affects acute metabolic and hormonal responses. In addition, the higher volume of resistance exercise resulted in a reduction in androgen receptor content in skeletal muscle one hour post-exercise possibly due to greater protein catabolism associated with the higher level of stress."
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hmm...very interesting
what else can u say on cortisol's levels?
do you usually have some prevention for it(if it exists)?

 

[mryar]

hmm...very interesting
what else can u say on cortisol's levels?
do you usually have some prevention for it(if it exists)?

Catabolism is pretty much caused by cortisol. Cortisol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Gives some suggestions on lowering cortisol, how it functions etc.

Here's a good link http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/hormoneResUNM.html

If you stress your body too much in a workout (thus excreting more cortisol), not as much muscle will be built (with an asterisk, read below)

In a unique recent study, Izquierdo et al. (2006) examined hormonal responses in an 11-week resistance training to failure (one group) vs. non-failure (second group) followed by an identical (both groups) 5-week peaking period of maximal strength and power protocol. Subjects were 42 physically active males randomly assigned to the two groups. The results showed that 11 weeks of training to failure and not-to-failure resulted in similar gains in 1RM strength, muscle power output of the arm and leg extensor muscles, and maximal number of repetitions in the squat. However, after the identical 5-week peaking period of maximal strength and power training, the non-failure group showed greater increases in strength, power, resting testosterone levels, and reduced coritsol levels when compared to the failure group.

I love studies

 

[KratosGOW]

If you stress your body too much in a workout (thus excreting more cortisol), not as much muscle will be built

I had a period that i was fully stressed and my workout
were conditioned...
(girlfriend,distance,my job etc)
and a friend of mine told me about cortisol but i've never
considered it so important...i'ma chek it better.Thanks for this.