Dbol Real Gains (Retainable)

[1Johnboy]

Should be getting my DBol soon and will be my first real cycle, plan on low dosage to see how thing react. Also it just seems low dosages can = longer kept gains from what I read.

 

[KratosGOW]

Also it just seems low dosages can = longer kept gains from what I read.

Not true.
Proper diet and training(sleep as well) are the keys
Dosage have nothing to do with kept gains(at least for me
i did a cycle 60 mgs ED and kept almost all of it)



But..Beeing your first cycle use LOW dosage
You first need to see how your body will react(bp,gyno,hairloss)
and then see if you can increase.Some guys have problems even at 30 mgs.So before raising dosage see how it works with 30 mgs ed.

 

[mryar]

I had a period that i was fully stressed and my workout
were conditioned...
(girlfriend,distance,my job etc)
and a friend of mine told me about cortisol but i've never
considered it so important...i'ma chek it better.Thanks for this.

Its the counterpart to testosterone. Test builds you up and cortisol breaks you down. It was important through history as meals every 2-4 hours wasn't always possible. You body runs on.. well I'll just paste the info rather than screw it up

Possibly one of the most informative pages I've seen in a while:

Substrate Utilization

• At rest, 33% of the body's energy comes from carbohydrates, or glycogen, stored within the muscles and liver. 66% comes from fat.
• During aerobic work, 50-60% of the energy comes from fats
  • Primarily carbohydrates are used during the first several minutes of exercise
  • For an average fit person, it takes 20 to 30 minutes of continuous aerobic activity to burn 50% fat and 50% carbohydrate
  • There is approximately a 7 fold increase of fat mobilization after 1 hour of exercise
• Proteins contribute less than 2% of the substrates used during exercise of less than 1 hour.
  • Slightly more proteins are utilized as a fuel source during prolonged exercise.
    • During the final moments of exercise lasting 3 to 5 hours, protein utilization may reach 5-15% of the fuel supply
  • Protein can supply up to 10% of total energy substrate utilization during prolonged intense exercise if glycogen stores and energy intake is inadequate (Brooks, 1987)

 

[stevesmi]

vitamin C and AAS both help combat cortisol spikes.

 

[mryar]

Should be getting my DBol soon and will be my first real cycle, plan on low dosage to see how thing react. Also it just seems low dosages can = longer kept gains from what I read.

I have some good news for you!!!

From Science Blog:

Three groups were examined. One group was comprised of seven power liftersused anabolic steroids for long periods of time but stopped their usage some years ago. One group was currently power lifting but did not use steroids. The third group was power lifting and taking steroids. The researchers examined muscle fiber distribution, fiber area, subsarcolemmal and internal myonuclei number per fiber, myonuclei expressing androgen receptors, satellite cell numbers per fiber, and proportion of split fibers in each muscle for each individual. who had previously
The researchers found that several years after anabolic steroid withdrawal, and with no or low current strength-training, the muscle fiber area intensity, the number of nuclei per fiber in the quadriceps was still comparable to that of athletes that were currently performing high intensity strength-training. They also discovered that the shoulder-neck fiber areas were comparable to high-intensity trained athletes and the number of nuclei per fiber was even higher than found in the current steroid-using group.
According to the lead researcher, Dr. Eriksson, ”It is possible that the high number of nuclei we found in the muscle might be beneficial for an athlete who continues or resumes strength training because increased myonuclei opens up the possibility of increasing protein synthesis, which can lead to muscle mass.” He added, “Based on the characteristics between doped and non-doped powerlifters, we conclude that a period of anabolic steroid usage is an advantage for a power lifter in competition, even several years after they stop taking a doping drug.”
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[C0LUMB0]

Not true.
Proper diet and training(sleep as well) are the keys
Dosage have nothing to do with kept gains(at least for me
i did a cycle 60 mgs ED and kept almost all of it)



But..Beeing your first cycle use LOW dosage
You first need to see how your body will react(bp,gyno,hairloss)
and then see if you can increase.Some guys have problems even at 30 mgs.So before raising dosage see how it works with 30 mgs ed.

Having looked at some advice you dished out in another thread...

I Am going to ask you AGAIN
What are you Basic stats ???? age,height,weight,bodyfat,traing experience , cycle history.

 

[KratosGOW]

Great infos mryar.

@COLUMBO read my first post again and u'll see this:
"Don't really know if i'm sure,i had no sides but i still want your opinion
I'm thinking to raise(last time 60mg ED) the dosage and using it for 6 weeks long during a 12 weeks test+eq cycle.
(don't ask for cycle history)..just generally talking.....i'm confused a bit."
That's it,nothing more.I can still gain on 60 mgs if that's your doubt.

 

[mryar]

Here's some more on cortisol http://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Article%20folder/cortisol.html

When we exercise, regardless of whether it is strength training or aerobic exercise, cortisol is released in proportion to the intensity of the effort. (...) When concerned with prolonged aerobic exercise, cortisol clearly functions to preserve body carbohydrate stores. Cortisol increases alternate fuels for muscle, such as fatty acids and amino acids (from muscle amino acid stores and protein catabolism), impairs glucose entry into skeletal muscle, and supplies the fuels (amino acids) for the liver to increase glucose production(...)

muscle strength (and hypertrophy) gains may be inhibited if strength training occurs too soon after aerobic exercise (e.g. the same day). This has nothing to do with a hormone response mechanism, although it is easy to blame cortisol. Rather, we believe that the signals given to working muscle that induce either strength vs. endurance adaptations are diluted when combining strength and endurance (aerobic) training. This is like giving the muscle mixed messages. On the one hand we are telling the muscle to build more proteins for increasing mitochondrial mass (increasing the cell’s organelle involved in energy production) during aerobic exercise, and then we tell the muscle not to focus on mitochondria, but to now increase muscle contractile protein synthesis during resistance exercise

 

[C0LUMB0]

Great infos mryar.

@COLUMBO read my first post again and u'll see this:
"Don't really know if i'm sure,i had no sides but i still want your opinion
I'm thinking to raise(last time 60mg ED) the dosage and using it for 6 weeks long during a 12 weeks test+eq cycle.
(don't ask for cycle history)..just generally talking.....i'm confused a bit."
That's it,nothing more.I can still gain on 60 mgs if that's your doubt.

@ YOU ....read the rules of the site.

next time you refuse basic stats you are getting on the bus to bannedville

 

[Rocky_dreammuscle]

60mgs Ed thats fucking heaps mate.

It's not even worth it doing high dosage especially orals

I hate taking orals especially the ones gives u more water then muscles.

I have done d Bol only cycle long time ago 15mgs Ed for 8 weeks
Was ok wasn't the best tho.
Not quality mass only smooth ugly bloated look.

IMO test + tren + winny cycles are simply the best.

good gains in strength and muscle.

Why are u not telling your body stats
We here to help you out.
More info means more help.