Jim Ouini said:Sorry if you've explained this earlier in this thread, but can you explain the ISO holds? I may want to try them![]()
coolcolj said:awesome article by Dan John on the training journals
Ed never won a state championship. With a couple of years of hindsight, I am now convinced that he gave it away by missing the most important tool in the athlete’s toolbox…the training journal. His journal would have helped him with the single most important key to athletic success: Try to only make the same mistakes over and over again a couple of times.
What? Simply, we tend to repeat our errors. We want to be successful, so we increase our volume and intensity to make the big leap, then find ourselves hurt, injured, and sick. Of course, a week or so after the flu, we hit our season’s best mark. Next year, we do it again…train too hard, get hurt, then improve. By the third year,…well, now it is “fool me twice, shame on me.”
Without a journal, Ed relied solely on others to discover his path to success. He didn’t understand one of the reat keys to athletic success: Mining your Journal. Your training journal is goldmine of information…if you take the time, daily, to record your workouts, your attitudes and your life in general.
Years later, you can sift through this material to iscover what makes YOU tick! Sometimes, the answers aren’t apparent. For example, in 1991, I was coaching at the Upper Limit Gym here in Utah. So, I had access to great facilities, lots of training partners and great enthusiasm about the strength sports. I began to really push my ack Squat poundage. There were weeks when my squat would go up by twenty and thirty pounds as I was shamed into lifting more by excellent powerlifters. I topped out at 605 for three reps…I remember realizing that the weight was bending my ribs…and I also noticed something else. This increase in squatting weight did not add one foot to my discus throw. I threw 190 at Utah State and never went over 405 in the squat, yet 605 got me to 181. Two years later, talking with John Powell (twice bronze medalist in the discus at the Olympics), he told me that he had quit squatting heavy years before he began to really “bomb ” the discus. He felt that heavy squatting “didn’t feel good,” so why do it?
That made no sense to me at all. I was stronger, so I should throw farther. Then, in 1994, after not squatting heavy for three years, mostly rapid squats up to sets of eight and lots of hill sprints, I dropped a 184 throw. I weighed less, my waist was smaller, I felt better…I threw farther. So, how do I “mine my journal?” I went back to 1991 and I looked at the videos of my throws. I
compared them to 1994. I looked “healthier,” but it was hard to see any other difference. Then, I thought about the hill sprints. In 1994, my finish was smoother somehow, I held together better. Could all the hill sprints have been the key, or the dropping of heavy squats?
You know, I don’t really know the answer, but my journal entries found no injuries in 1994, lots of energy, lots of inside jokes and fun with the group. 1991’s entries talk about buying ankle wraps, knee wraps, wrist wraps, and biweekly visits to the chiropractor. Clearly, increasing the load with my squatting got me hurt with little pay off. Maybe, it was simply what I thought about a month ago: heavy squatting makes your hips and legs strong…but the body is one piece. When you throw, you snap off your whole leg and you are only as strong as…your ankle. If you cave at your ankle, you lose your finish. Hill sprints seem to be an ankle/calf builder with no peer. As John Price reminds me often of the only key in athletic success: you are only as strong as your weakest link. For me, and probably everyone, the goal should be to strive to bring your weak points up to a point that they become your strong points!
So, we have seen the first technique in Mining Your Journal: Reviewing one season in the light of another. Big deal, everybody does it…or do we? How often have you cracked open your old journals and looked at them carefully? I would argue doing this at least twice a year. The off season is obviously a time to harvest the knowledge you earned and forgot in the past. I think the next best time is just before peaking. What gems have you forgotten, what mistakes are you about to repeat?
My favorite in-season use of the journal is the
“Countback.” I take the four weeks prior to a “hot” performance…a day where nothing goes wrong or you just are in the groove…and look at the month. In 1991, I posted these workouts, just before my breakthrough in Olympic Lifting:
5-25-91 25 throws with new Red Obel at the U with John, John, and Kjell. Some excellent throws. “Hang” that disc and right leg out there.
Upper Limit
Pwr. Snatch (hang) with Kjell
135 x 5
195 x 5 x 5 x5
Squat
225 x 5
315 x 5
405 x 3
455 x 2
Bounds x 7
5-27-91 Upper Limit
Pwr. Snatch
135 x 3
205 x 3 x3
225 x2 x 2
245 x 2
New Guy: Paul, lives at BFS
Pwr Push (Push Jerks)
135 x 3
225 x3
315 x 2 x 2 x2
Frog Jumps
5 jumps x 4
As I trained through this month, I knew I was
overdoing it…look at this interesting entry:
6-22 Ben canceled the meet at the last minute, but I threw with Jeff, Monette, John et al with a bunch at 184! I have outrageous inflexibility in my right shoulder. I spoke to a National Convention on weight lifting here in SLC
today…snatch, clean and speed. I snatched 225 for a bunch of easy one’s. Working on USOC talk that L. Jay asked me to give in Colorado Springs.
Start considering:
1. One squat workout a week alternating with
push jerks
jumps
bounds
overloads
2. Microperiodize the snatch each week…5-3-2
3. Move up to five minute rests
4. Seven sets…45 minute workouts
5. Increase protein.
6. Add stiff dl, good mornings.
A week later, I tossed 181’7” in a left handers wind, put 50’9” and snatched 314 (clean and jerked 358, cleaned 402 and missed the jerk) in a three day period. Then, I went into a six month tailspin of injury upon injury.
What did I learn? Well, I thrived on Power Snatches! But, the heavy jerks and heavy squats all led to injuries. You can see that I was leaning towards more and more protein, but the nutritionists at the USOC told us to eat
High Carb. It would take a couple years to really mine this season! Another tool for mining your journal is to Look for insights…that you may need to rekindle.
Jeff Armstrong came over last weekend and I noted that he needed to ease off on his 56 pound weight tosses as he seemed to have a Speed Barrier. He was aware of the Soviet Drill, from my book, “The Contrarian Approach to the Discus Throw.” For those of you who missed it: “Yes, I know…no more Soviets, but the drill is called “the Soviet Drill.” I learned about this drill years ago as a way to break through the “speed barrier.” After marking the best throw, step off about 15 feet for most high school athletes…some 20-25 feet…back towards the ring and put a large marker there. Cones work great, towels and bags are fine. If you have many throwers, you might have a little colony out there. The Soviet Drill is simply a series of twenty full throws trying
to just hit the marker as easily as you can! Many thletes
simply can’t do this! Yet, once they get the hang of throwing with less, they soon find that that they can easily surpass their previous one throw mark, but using good technique and rhythm. Also, this drill comes in handy when the pressure is on to qualify for the finals at a meet.”
Jeff, like most strength athletes couldn’t grasp how easing off could help you throw farther. Then, I asked him: “Do you max squat every day?” As the words came out of my mouth, I thought to myself, “you know, you should practice what you preach!” I have a journal entry where this concept whacked me on the head
again:
November 7, 2000
Great trip to Las Vegas and Phoenix. Really enjoyed watched ASU come back from 35-6, only to lose in double overtime. My Cardinals defeated the over-inflated Redskins, as well. While at the Orleans, I got in a nice workout with two fiftypound dumbbells. I did about an hour of clean and press, one arm snatches, and one arm presses. Last night, after getting off the plane, I did a nice workout of Power Snatches (six singles with 155), Power Clean and Push Jerk (six singles with 195), then some real snappy Clean Pulls and Romanian Deadlift Clean Pulls (a bunch with 235).
This is the kind of workout that seems to give me a lot of long term benefit. When I drop back to “one lift a day” style of training, it really helps to have this volume with snappy, fast workouts in my quiver. I had a nice talk with John Powell on this trip. We ate three meals together and went bowling for a couple of hours. We
both agreed that one of the real secrets to increasing your throwing distance and your lifting maxs is to push your 60- 80% lifts/throws up. In throwing, you try to see how easy you can toss 80% of your best. In lifting, you try to dominate those lighter weights. If you have the patience to back off, you can shoot ahead later.
This doesn’t mean what most people think. We have a
saying, “I said it was simple, not easy.” It is simple to do, but not easy. For me to back off, I have to have something to back off from!!! Too many guys don’t put the heavy training in early, so they can back off later. I wouldn’t consider this method of training until you at least snatch bodyweight. These fast snappy workouts should still have some nice weights on the bar, too. Don’t use vinyl dumbbells from Sears to do your “heavy” day squats, if you know what I mean.
Use your journal minimize the number of times you make the same mistakes. Sure, you won’t nip every mistake in the bud the first few (five, ten, fifteen) times, but if you take some time each year to review your journals, it is like mining a vein of pure gold. Try comparing one season to another, try the countback when you peak, and keep looking for those insights that you may have forgotten. It is part of the road to
success.
coolcolj said:Dan John or me?
Cause that's his article you quoted, he's lot bigger and heavier than me, and I for sure can't lift those weights just yet, otherwise I'd be a beast
One day I will though...but raw strength isn't my current priority
me @ 5'9" 217lbs - pretty fat
standing VJ just over 30inches I think.
40 - dunno, I have run a 12.35 sec hand timed 105+ metre sprint from a standing start, a few months back on grass. Haven't sprinted flat out since then, just doing tempo work for now
mile? I don't run that far
I'm in transition now, aiming to lean down to 185-190lbs while maintaining my strength/power. Hopefully the 30lb drop in fat will get me to where I want to be. I wasn't born as a gifted athlete, but with the hardwork I have been doing over the last 5 years, I will be able to finally reach my goals soon.
gjohnson5 said:You don't do any endurance work?
Runs longer than 400 yards
Heavy rubber jump rope
suicides
Bike rides 10miles or more
box jumps
repeat sprints with little rest
HP_816 said:CCJ. i already know that you've commented on this before somewhere in this LONG thread, but since im not a plat member and cant search your thread....![]()
but i was wondering. what is the proper grip width for a standing military press, if you dont mind you can go specific about your form.i ask because today i think i gripped maybe a little too wide and kind of tweaked my shoulder....
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By the way, I've finally found the right cable to digitalize some of my dunks from 1995, back when I was 18. Here are some pics... I could really jump back then (especially off one foot). And that's also the reason why isokinetic is my favorite training for speed and jumping. Those pics where taken after 3-4 months of training on these machines and before then, I could dunk but just barely.
Oh yeah you definately would!!! You'd be suprised, probably even around 80% man! I took a test like this on a similar device a few years ago and I had
72% fast twitch. My friend who was in Volleyball had over 90%... They made him take the test 3 times because they couldn't believe it. Freaky...
d-dub said:awesome clip man. what vert did this guy start at? my slow twitch ass isnt ever gonna jump that high hahhah. much respect if you can dunk like that at 6ft.
Well before isokinetic machines my VJ around 28 inches. I could dunk (only barely though) off one foot but only touch the rim with no running. And
after 12 weeks of Iskokinetics training... well you saw the clip, my vj was
35in. I felt my running jump improved even more. Just one day I bounced the
ball and was chocked that I could actually do a reverse dunk like in the
clip. It was the best feeling ever. And I could also dunk off 2 feet with 2
hands afterwards as well (I could only grab the rim like that before).
d-dub said:I d/l the clip again. good stuff.
My height?... I cant remember exactly I think im 183cm - a touch over 6ft.
I weigh 82kg give or take. Relatively light, but i started at 60kg...now that is a skinny guy. I was always pretty decent at distance running in hs. I grew a few cms in that time as well at 19 or 20.
When i was a stickman i could dunk a size 5 easy enough, not a full size cos i would lose it due to lack of abliity to palm the ball. I think my vert is a measly 25inch or so. Prolly a touch lower than it used to be but i am now 22kg heavier than i used to be.
My goal is 85kg bw, 10%ish bf, 35-36 inch vert. I too weak, I am too slow. I am trying to get strong first before wasting time with too much speed stuff.
A cycle of squats with bands interests me, but im not sure i am strong enough to get full effect from this, i squat a little over b/w 5x - do you think this is an adequate base for a band cycle or wait till I have more strength??
(Apologies for the novel- it ended up a little longer than first planned)
d-dub said:Thanks for the detailed reply. I am still digesting all this info - i like the deloading plan in the Kelly B article.
My structure is poorly planned at the moment, so im gonna incorporate that.
Might skip intensity phases in season tho. It looks v. similiar to madcows5x5 plan.
Skipping for 5-10 mins low intensity seems like a good specific warmup i will re-add. My foot speed and jump were much quicker when i was doing this sort of thing.
I might start a thread to get comments on my in season plan. I dont wanna clog up your log too much.
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coolcolj said:I don't mind, this isn't my my real log - this log is for all and sundry info purposes
You don't need much structure inseason, its for mainteniance
skipping and all those fast hops are what you call rate work, same for sprinting, they target high rate of firing/relaxation, and pure speed with minimal loading. Then you have the strain of strength work, and combined you get power, wwll the ability to help express power anyway. So you need to keep up both sides of the coin.
Extra_Strong said:are you Blitzforce on wannabebig?? what are scapular push ups??
coolcolj said:yes
You get in a top of the pushup position. Keep your elbows locked. Retract your shoulder blades. Up and down with the arms staying straight. As high as possible then as low as possible. Try to keep the back as straight as a board.
you can read about em here - with pics - at the bottom
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=472224
Scap Pushups
This exercise is also known as a "Pushup Plus." Basically, it's a pushup without any movement at the glenohumeral or elbow joints. Get set up as if you were going to do a pushup, and then just allow your shoulder blades to retract without bending your elbows. You should drop about two inches toward the floor.
To reverse the motion, protract the scapulae until you're back in the starting position. This exercise activates and strengthens the serratus anterior, a muscle that is crucial in holding the scapulae tight to the rib cage, thus preventing scapular winging.
coolcolj said:I don't mind, this isn't my my real log - this log is for all and sundry info purposes
You don't need much structure inseason, its for mainteniance
skipping and all those fast hops are what you call rate work, same for sprinting, they target high rate of firing/relaxation, and pure speed with minimal loading. Then you have the strain of strength work, and combined you get power, wwll the ability to help express power anyway. So you need to keep up both sides of the coin.
Yeah computer controlled. It was 2 sessions per week (plus the basic weight training 2-3 times per week). We used the following exercises leg
extension/curl one leg at a time. We used the multi-exercises station to do jump squats. Side abs machine where you twist left and right. And finally the multi station to do push/pull bench/row, incline press/row or military press/row.
In all exercises we would do 5-6 sets and start with a relatively high resistance, then decrease each set to finish with a very high speed set. Each set consisted of 8-12 reps (heavy-light).
It's pretty much these machines http://www.arielnet.com/Main/adw-40.html ,
other than they were cybex and that you don't want to leave the bench between your legs when you do squat jumps... lol
coolcolj said:I woke up early and had that slight drained feeling, went back to sleep, or tried to, sorta dozed in and out of sleep, dreaming of jumping and dunking most of the time
Felt much better after that. Guess this drained feeling I had a lot in the past is mostly related to sleep. Hit 213.5lbs out of bed this morning, waist slightly under 38 inches - about time!
d-dub said:oh and nice job on dropping under 38" waist.

'cause I know I did.So I'm training at this other gym now. It's the number one weightlifting gym here in the province of Hubei, which has about 1/20 the population of the whole country. They've been exceedingly kind and enthusiastic about my training with them.
The clip here is sort of crappy, just some random stuff. The guy you see squatting in the red shirt, he's a nineteen year old 77 kg lifter and the last time I asked, he was lifting 150kg snatch 180kg Clean and jerk.
I wanted to get a clip of this awesome guy doing perfect jerks, but I was busy talking to the head coach, who is a VERY interesting guy. He took me out to dinner tonight! Anyway the guy jerking was like a freakin machine, a wonder to behold.
I went to a meet today. The lifters are around 16 years old. Just a friendly local meet.
My coach buddy tried to allow me to compete in the meet (spontaneous thing, I would have had to borrow someone's shoes and stuff), but the head official regretfully said I couldn't. Would have been my first meet. But I got to do some lifting in the warm-up room, just for fun. The coach said my technique is ok
Check it out - (last part is me lifting in my previous gym)
Extra_Strong said:i like all of your links.. good stuff..
i like to have examples.
I think you can go a little deeper on some of your squats though![]()
lookin pretty good .
Most Athletes Are Already Implementing the 2-Factor Theory and Could Benefit by "Under-Reaching" For a While
Ok. Now the important thing to note is that most athletes are already over-reaching slightly even though they don't realize it! They never allow recovery to take place and some haven't been fully recovered in years. Basketball players are among the worst here. They are never recovered daily, they never allow recovery to fully take place, and thus they don't make gains due to chronic over-reaching. Therefore, I almost always start athletes off with more recovery so that they can allow all the fatigue they've been acumulating during their previous months or years of training to dissipate.
It's also important to realize that recovery doesn't have to be "complete" between training sessions in order for one to experience gains. People are rarely ever 100% completely recovered but still make gains. Athletes in most sports are always experiencing some level of constant fatigue. What you want to do is maximize those gains which you can do by intentionally manipulating the relationship between fatigue and fitness.
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