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This is for the recent ramblings of a deceased thread in which things got a bit heated.
To all partys:
if you read study his test was 71ng/dl, he then did 5 days of clomid @ 100mgs and followed up 2 weeks later and had 828ng/dl. 2 months later he returned for another follow up and had 301 ng/dl. Then he did 2 more months of clomid. After those 2 months he was at 705ng/dl. Then, going from the graph he had a month where his levels slowly dropped (much less rapidly than before) and his test was around the mid 600s. It appears as if he would have normalized at around 4-500ng/dl after a few more months, of course we cannot be sure but the drop off rate was not very fast.
So basically this guy was pretty much saved from a womens test levels, close to them at least, by clomid. At the time of his clomid ingesting he also took anti depressants, which may or may not have negatively effected his T levels. It is also interesting to note, and this is for Nelson mainly, that according to wiki (sourced twiced) "the single isomer of clomiphine "enclomiphene" under the brand name Androxal is currently under phase 2 trials for use in men" as an alternative to TRT. There are a few other studies citing clomid as effective in restoring Sertoli cell function and reversing isolated hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. For those of you unfamiliar with Sertoli cells they contain FSH receptors and are involved in the maturation of sperm cells.
Would have been nice to have seen an actual discussion on the whole thing rather than a heated debate.
feel free to discuss.
To all partys:
if you read study his test was 71ng/dl, he then did 5 days of clomid @ 100mgs and followed up 2 weeks later and had 828ng/dl. 2 months later he returned for another follow up and had 301 ng/dl. Then he did 2 more months of clomid. After those 2 months he was at 705ng/dl. Then, going from the graph he had a month where his levels slowly dropped (much less rapidly than before) and his test was around the mid 600s. It appears as if he would have normalized at around 4-500ng/dl after a few more months, of course we cannot be sure but the drop off rate was not very fast.
So basically this guy was pretty much saved from a womens test levels, close to them at least, by clomid. At the time of his clomid ingesting he also took anti depressants, which may or may not have negatively effected his T levels. It is also interesting to note, and this is for Nelson mainly, that according to wiki (sourced twiced) "the single isomer of clomiphine "enclomiphene" under the brand name Androxal is currently under phase 2 trials for use in men" as an alternative to TRT. There are a few other studies citing clomid as effective in restoring Sertoli cell function and reversing isolated hypogonadotropic hypogonadism. For those of you unfamiliar with Sertoli cells they contain FSH receptors and are involved in the maturation of sperm cells.
Would have been nice to have seen an actual discussion on the whole thing rather than a heated debate.
feel free to discuss.
