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changiing variables of 5x5? Possible?

SameSame

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hello guys, wonderd if anyone with a good knowledge on 5x5 and its principles could help me out please

Is it possible to change 5x5 into something like 3x8 (3 sets of 8) 3x10. I know this will mean it is not a 5x5 anymore. I have read madcows 5x5 but it says it will not discuss changing varaibles of the system in that post/article.

Would you need to change the principles like the % between weights used when ramping- 10% to 15%? And the 2.5% add on when you perform the triple on Friday?

I ask this really because I have just had some squat stands- obviously not ideal but can't afford to go to a gym- and it would be easier, and most importantly safer, to use a higher rep range so less weight could be used. Thus meaning easier to load the bar on the stands and being safer when training alone.

Would this be possible or would it totally mess up the whole theory of 5x5? Obviously it is a strength program but is it not possible to still get stronger on a 3x8 or 3x10?

another question I had was would it be any good to swap flat benches for incline on a 5x5 program? I have been benching for years but never really got anywhere becasue of inadequate training methods(BB mags) and not eating enough. I can only bench about 200lbs for 6 or 7 reps. But as I have been doing flat benches for years I wondered if giving incline a go would enable quicker strength gains on a 5x5 type program.

Thanks for reading my rant if you got htis far. help would be most appreciated thanks.
 
lol then its no longer the 5x5 unless you mean follow the periodized scheme. which is fine for any set/rep range as long as the set/rep range gives you the supercompensation effect at the end of the 3weeks.
 
SameSame said:
hello guys, wonderd if anyone with a good knowledge on 5x5 and its principles could help me out please

Is it possible to change 5x5 into something like 3x8 (3 sets of 8) 3x10. I know this will mean it is not a 5x5 anymore. I have read madcows 5x5 but it says it will not discuss changing varaibles of the system in that post/article.

Would you need to change the principles like the % between weights used when ramping- 10% to 15%? And the 2.5% add on when you perform the triple on Friday?

I ask this really because I have just had some squat stands- obviously not ideal but can't afford to go to a gym- and it would be easier, and most importantly safer, to use a higher rep range so less weight could be used. Thus meaning easier to load the bar on the stands and being safer when training alone.

Would this be possible or would it totally mess up the whole theory of 5x5? Obviously it is a strength program but is it not possible to still get stronger on a 3x8 or 3x10?

another question I had was would it be any good to swap flat benches for incline on a 5x5 program? I have been benching for years but never really got anywhere becasue of inadequate training methods(BB mags) and not eating enough. I can only bench about 200lbs for 6 or 7 reps. But as I have been doing flat benches for years I wondered if giving incline a go would enable quicker strength gains on a 5x5 type program.

Thanks for reading my rant if you got htis far. help would be most appreciated thanks.

yeah you can use 3x8 or so, why wouldn't you be able to? all you should worry about is to leave the basics: a squat...a push...a pull. you could do front squats, back squats, zercher, etc for the squat. for the push you could incline, military, bench, push press etc...for the pull you could use pullups, deads, cleans, rows, etc. as long as you progress it doesn't matter what rep range: 4x6, 3x8, 8x3, 5x5 etc
 
Changing the rep range would screw things up.

You could do front squats instead of back squats. If you think you're going to miss a rep on front squats, it's really easy to dump the weight.
 
u418936 said:
Changing the rep range would screw things up.

You could do front squats instead of back squats. If you think you're going to miss a rep on front squats, it's really easy to dump the weight.

I don't think this is true. I believe the concept of the 5x5 routine is the weight progression. I think as long as you are upping the weights, and using the major lifts then the program will work.
 
luigisacs said:
I don't think this is true. I believe the concept of the 5x5 routine is the weight progression. I think as long as you are upping the weights, and using the major lifts then the program will work.


I agree with that.

I just don't see how doing higher reps for safety makes sense. If you have to dump the weight at rep 8 instead of rep 4, you are still having to figure out a way to dump the weight safely. Seems to me the last rep of either scheme should be pretty hard if you are pushing yourself according to the program.
 
Well another reason that I forgot to say is that I only have about 250lbs of weights. I will be able to afford to buy some in the future but not yet. As an example, I have only recently started deadlifts but 250lbs is not alot of weight on deads. so I figured doing higer reps would enable me to keep progreesing for a while.
Squats I used to do ages ago, but never had stands or a rack so I just used to put about 140lbs on the bar and then about 20lbs in a ruck sack and squat like that. Only about 160lbs altogether but I just used to do about 20 reps then another set, another set, ect till my legs were too pumped to move. So I figure it won't take long to reach 250lbs with 5 reps, but a bit longer with 10 reps.

So how could I set up a progresive 3x8 or 3x10? would I ramp like the intermediate 5x5, what percentages would I need to use? Any ideas guys. thanks for the help.
 
I think there are a couple ways you could do this. You could keep it exactly like the intermediate 5x5 but instead you ramp up the weight to a 3x8. It would look like this.

Monday-
Squat - 1x50%, 2x75% 3x 100% (Friday's 5)
Bench - Same
Clean/Row- Same

Wednesday
Squat - 3x80% Monday's top set
Incline/OHP - 1x50%, 2x75% 3x 100%(2.5% more than last week)
Deadlift - Same

Friday
Squat- 1x50%, 2x75% 3x100 (2.5% more than Monday), 4x75% (12 reps)
Bench - Same
Clean/Row - Same

Or you could do something similar to the Rippetoe program in which you do 3 sets of 8 using the same weight. Then your next workout u it 2.5% or 5 pounds. I would use the same schedule as above.
 
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