Cardio for fatloss 65-75% MHR

[~SC~]

HIIT burns 9 times more fat than low intensity cardio per minute... stick with HIIT.

Sorry, but that's entirely WRONG.

It MAY burn more KCALS (ENERGY), NOT FAT. The heart-rate for HIIT is ABOVE that of mobilizing FAT STORES for fuel. IT"S PROVEN SCIENCE, so don't argue this point.

If the activity is TOO intense, FAT cannot be used quick enough for fuel. Plain/simple.

~SC~

 

[JKurz1]

Sorry, but that's entirely WRONG.

It MAY burn more KCALS (ENERGY), NOT FAT. The heart-rate for HIIT is ABOVE that of mobilizing FAT STORES for fuel. IT"S PROVEN SCIENCE, so don't argue this point.

If the activity is TOO intense, FAT cannot be used quick enough for fuel. Plain/simple.

~SC~

I was about to tear into it, but realized he was a newb and obviously misinformed......hey bro - shoot me the link to your article....I know your website, but I can't navigate through there very well. It's the color contrast with my work computer....doesn't work......or post it for all?

 

[~SC~]

All good, yes, mis-informed big time I'd say he is, but we can help him see the light!



~SC~

http://216.27.200.156/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14622#14622

 

[Burning_Inside]

Wow, you couldn't be FURTHER off in reasoning. As well, everything above you have '"not seen" has been proven, it's PROVEN SCIENCE!

May wish to check out "why I don't count calories", an article I wrote. It's not as simple as KCALS in/KCALS out.

~SC~

So I can eat 2000 cals daily worth of sugar and protein, but I'll get shredded form that as long as I stay under my BMR?

 

[Burning_Inside]

Sorry, but that's entirely WRONG.

It MAY burn more KCALS (ENERGY), NOT FAT. The heart-rate for HIIT is ABOVE that of mobilizing FAT STORES for fuel. IT"S PROVEN SCIENCE, so don't argue this point.

If the activity is TOO intense, FAT cannot be used quick enough for fuel. Plain/simple.

~SC~

"When you exercise vigorously, you get a robust hormonal change, which causes your body to burn more fat during your recovery time," says Janet Walberg Rankin, PhD, professor of nutrition at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg. Your metabolism also stays revved up five times longer after a vigorous workout than after an easy one. Over time, this can add up to burning an additional 100 to more than 200 calories a day"
http://www.prevention.com/cda/qamulti2002/0,2495,s1-7492,00.html

"copyright 2002 by Greg Landry, M.S.

You've probably heard it, "you have to exercise at a lower intensity to burn more fat.. to get in the "fat-burning zone." guess what, it's a myth! "
http://www.weight-loss.drugsnewsnetwork.com/fat_burning_zone.html

"by Jonny Bowden, M.A., C.N.S.

Now, this situation has led many people to assume that in order to "burn fat" they need to exercise at lower intensities. They're missing the boat. Why? Because while at rest, although a higher percentage of your calories is indeed coming from fat, you are ultimately burning a lower absolute number of calories. At higher intensity exercise, the percentage of calories from fat goes down, true -- but it is a percentage of a significantly higher number.
http://www.ivillage.com/diet/expert...randRef=0&arrival_freqCap=1&pba=adid=11162527

~SC~ you need to get in touch with these well educated people immediately and inform them they have been taught some loony form of science.

Just busting your chops. I think these 3 paragraphs sum it up well enough for me (from the last link provided)

"Now, this situation has led many people to assume that in order to "burn fat" they need to exercise at lower intensities. They're missing the boat. Why? Because while at rest, although a higher percentage of your calories is indeed coming from fat, you are ultimately burning a lower absolute number of calories. At higher intensity exercise, the percentage of calories from fat goes down, true -- but it is a percentage of a significantly higher number.

To illustrate this critical difference, I often ask audiences to picture Ross Perot standing next to me. Then I ask them, "Would you rather have 90 percent of all the money I have in the world, or 3 percent of all the money Mr. Perot over here has?" When they give the obvious answer, I say, "But why? 90 percent is so much higher than 3 percent!

So, let's say you're exercising at a fairly low intensity that burns, oh, 100 calories in a half-hour. Let's say that 70 percent of those calories come from fat. Your neighbor, however, is working out much harder, outside the magical "fat burning" zone: She's burning up, say 300 calories in that same half hour, but only 50 percent of those calories are from fat. Now do the math. You're burning a higher percentage of fat, but 70 percent of your 100 calories equals 70 fat calories burned. Your neighbor, on the other hand, is burning a lower percentage of fat, but she has burned up 50 percent of 300 calories, or 150 fat calories, more than twice what you've burned in the same period of time! "

Discuss

 

[~SC~]

So I can eat 2000 cals daily worth of sugar and protein, but I'll get shredded form that as long as I stay under my BMR?

That's exactly the OPPOSITE of what the article reveals.

~SC~

 

[~SC~]

To make this quick/short, I could sit here and copy/paste THOUSANDS of articles in support of 65-75% mild cardio, and many opposing HIIT.

I won't, there is no point. I know what works for myself and the 100's I assist, and I'm not changing ONE thing as the body composition changes that I provide would NEVER happen w/HIIT.

I am focused on preserving/attaining lean mass while improving body composition, and HIIT does not address those needs for my customized approaches. The studies you pasted are about kcals burned during the period, and that is not the concern w/the type of cardio that I wish to utilize in my approaches. I want FAT mobilized DURING cardio, not the burning of muscle glycogen (kcals) only to get an elevated metabolism after. Your metabolism is elevated after the 65-75% MHR anyhow, so you get that benefit as well.

So, copy/paste all day, the fact is that there are a plethora of arguments for both sides of the cardio stance. Just do what YOU need to do to get the results YOU want, that's the key.

No sense in arguing cardio styles, I've too much work to do, even on a Saturday. Fitness never sleeps!

~SC~

"When you exercise vigorously, you get a robust hormonal change, which causes your body to burn more fat during your recovery time," says Janet Walberg Rankin, PhD, professor of nutrition at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg. Your metabolism also stays revved up five times longer after a vigorous workout than after an easy one. Over time, this can add up to burning an additional 100 to more than 200 calories a day"
http://www.prevention.com/cda/qamulti2002/0,2495,s1-7492,00.html

"copyright 2002 by Greg Landry, M.S.

You've probably heard it, "you have to exercise at a lower intensity to burn more fat.. to get in the "fat-burning zone." guess what, it's a myth! "
http://www.weight-loss.drugsnewsnetwork.com/fat_burning_zone.html

"by Jonny Bowden, M.A., C.N.S.

Now, this situation has led many people to assume that in order to "burn fat" they need to exercise at lower intensities. They're missing the boat. Why? Because while at rest, although a higher percentage of your calories is indeed coming from fat, you are ultimately burning a lower absolute number of calories. At higher intensity exercise, the percentage of calories from fat goes down, true -- but it is a percentage of a significantly higher number.
http://www.ivillage.com/diet/expert...randRef=0&arrival_freqCap=1&pba=adid=11162527

~SC~ you need to get in touch with these well educated people immediately and inform them they have been taught some loony form of science.

Just busting your chops. I think these 3 paragraphs sum it up well enough for me (from the last link provided)

"Now, this situation has led many people to assume that in order to "burn fat" they need to exercise at lower intensities. They're missing the boat. Why? Because while at rest, although a higher percentage of your calories is indeed coming from fat, you are ultimately burning a lower absolute number of calories. At higher intensity exercise, the percentage of calories from fat goes down, true -- but it is a percentage of a significantly higher number.

To illustrate this critical difference, I often ask audiences to picture Ross Perot standing next to me. Then I ask them, "Would you rather have 90 percent of all the money I have in the world, or 3 percent of all the money Mr. Perot over here has?" When they give the obvious answer, I say, "But why? 90 percent is so much higher than 3 percent!

So, let's say you're exercising at a fairly low intensity that burns, oh, 100 calories in a half-hour. Let's say that 70 percent of those calories come from fat. Your neighbor, however, is working out much harder, outside the magical "fat burning" zone: She's burning up, say 300 calories in that same half hour, but only 50 percent of those calories are from fat. Now do the math. You're burning a higher percentage of fat, but 70 percent of your 100 calories equals 70 fat calories burned. Your neighbor, on the other hand, is burning a lower percentage of fat, but she has burned up 50 percent of 300 calories, or 150 fat calories, more than twice what you've burned in the same period of time! "

Discuss

 

[JKurz1]

Sc...what would your average cardio seesion look like??

 

[John WB]

And what would you recommend while bulking?

 

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Sc...what would your average cardio seesion look like??

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