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Blacks suing corporate USA for $1.4 trillion!

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Ten Reasons Why Reparations for Blacks is a Bad Idea for Blacks - and Racist Too

I pulled this off of the lame ass ultra conservative website The New Republic. Yet I agreed with it.
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One
There Is No Single Group Clearly Responsible For The Crime Of Slavery

Black Africans and Arabs were responsible for enslaving the ancestors of African-Americans. There were 3,000 black slave-owners in the ante-bellum United States. Are reparations to be paid by their descendants too?

Two

There Is No One Group That Benefited Exclusively From Its Fruits

The claim for reparations is premised on the false assumption that only whites have benefited from slavery. If slave labor created wealth for Americans, then obviously it has created wealth for black Americans as well, including the descendants of slaves. The GNP of black America is so large that it makes the African-American community the 10th most prosperous "nation" in the world. American blacks on average enjoy per capita incomes in the range of twenty to fifty times that of blacks living in any of the African nations from which they were kidnapped.

Three

Only A Tiny Minority Of White Americans Ever Owned Slaves, And Others Gave Their Lives To Free Them

Only a tiny minority of Americans ever owned slaves. This is true even for those who lived in the ante-bellum South where only one white in five was a slaveholder. Why should their descendants owe a debt? What about the descendants of the 350,000 Union soldiers who died to free the slaves? They gave their lives. What possible moral principle would ask them to pay (through their descendants) again?

Four

America Today Is A Multi-Ethnic Nation and Most Americans Have No Connection (Direct Or Indirect) To Slavery

The two great waves of American immigration occurred after 1880 and then after 1960. What rationale would require Vietnamese boat people, Russian refuseniks, Iranian refugees, and Armenian victims of the Turkish persecution, Jews, Mexicans Greeks, or Polish, Hungarian, Cambodian and Korean victims of Communism, to pay reparations to American blacks?

Five

The Historical Precedents Used To Justify The Reparations Claim Do Not Apply, And The Claim Itself Is Based On Race Not Injury

The historical precedents generally invoked to justify the reparations claim are payments to Jewish survivors of the Holocaust, Japanese-Americans and African- American victims of racial experiments in Tuskegee, or racial outrages in Rosewood and Oklahoma City. But in each case, the recipients of reparations were the direct victims of the injustice or their immediate families. This would be the only case of reparations to people who were not immediately affected and whose sole qualification to receive reparations would be racial. As has already been pointed out, during the slavery era, many blacks were free men or slave-owners themselves, yet the reparations claimants make no distinction between the roles blacks actually played in the injustice itself. Randall Robinson's book on reparations, The Debt, which is the manifesto of the reparations movement is pointedly sub-titled "What America Owes To Blacks." If this is not racism, what is?

Six

The Reparations Argument Is Based On The Unfounded Claim That All African-American Descendants of Slaves Suffer From The Economic Consequences Of Slavery And Discrimination

No evidence-based attempt has been made to prove that living individuals have been adversely affected by a slave system that was ended over 150 years ago. But there is plenty of evidence the hardships that occurred were hardships that individuals could and did overcome. The black middle-class in America is a prosperous community that is now larger in absolute terms than the black underclass. Does its existence not suggest that economic adversity is the result of failures of individual character rather than the lingering after-effects of racial discrimination and a slave system that ceased to exist well over a century ago? West Indian blacks in America are also descended from slaves but their average incomes are equivalent to the average incomes of whites (and nearly 25% higher than the average incomes of American born blacks). How is it that slavery adversely affected one large group of descendants but not the other? How can government be expected to decide an issue that is so subjective - and yet so critical - to the case?

Seven

The Reparations Claim Is One More Attempt To Turn African-Americans Into Victims. It Sends A Damaging Message To The African-American Community.

The renewed sense of grievance -- which is what the claim for reparations will inevitably create -- is neither a constructive nor a helpful message for black leaders to be sending to their communities and to others. To focus the social passions of African-Americans on what some Americans may have done to their ancestors fifty or a hundred and fifty years ago is to burden them with a crippling sense of victim-hood. How are the millions of refugees from tyranny and genocide who are now living in America going to receive these claims, moreover, except as demands for special treatment, an extravagant new handout that is only necessary because some blacks can't seem to locate the ladder of opportunity within reach of others -- many less privileged than themselves?

Eight

Reparations To African Americans Have Already Been Paid

Since the passage of the Civil Rights Acts and the advent of the Great Society in 1965, trillions of dollars in transfer payments have been made to African-Americans in the form of welfare benefits and racial preferences (in contracts, job placements and educational admissions) - all under the rationale of redressing historic racial grievances. It is said that reparations are necessary to achieve a healing between African-Americans and other Americans. If trillion dollar restitutions and a wholesale rewriting of American law (in order to accommodate racial preferences) for African-Americans is not enough to achieve a "healing," what will?

Nine

What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?

Slavery existed for thousands of years before the Atlantic slave trade was born, and in all societies. But in the thousand years of its existence, there never was an anti-slavery movement until white Christians - Englishmen and Americans -- created one. If not for the anti-slavery attitudes and military power of white Englishmen and Americans, the slave trade would not have been brought to an end. If not for the sacrifices of white soldiers and a white American president who gave his life to sign the Emancipation Proclamation, blacks in America would still be slaves. If not for the dedication of Americans of all ethnicities and colors to a society based on the principle that all men are created equal, blacks in America would not enjoy the highest standard of living of blacks anywhere in the world, and indeed one of the highest standards of living of any people in the world. They would not enjoy the greatest freedoms and the most thoroughly protected individual rights anywhere. Where is the gratitude of black America and its leaders for those gifts?

Ten

The Reparations Claim Is A Separatist Idea That Sets African-Americans Against The Nation That Gave Them Freedom

Blacks were here before the Mayflower. Who is more American than the descendants of African slaves? For the African-American community to isolate itself even further from America is to embark on a course whose implications are troubling. Yet the African-American community has had a long-running flirtation with separatists, nationalists and the political left, who want African-Americans to be no part of America's social contract. African Americans should reject this temptation.

For all America's faults, African-Americans have an enormous stake in their country and its heritage. It is this heritage that is really under attack by the reparations movement. The reparations claim is one more assault on America, conducted by racial separatists and the political left. It is an attack not only on white Americans, but on all Americans -- especially African-Americans.

America's African-American citizens are the richest and most privileged black people alive -- a bounty that is a direct result of the heritage that is under assault. The American idea needs the support of its African-American citizens. But African-Americans also need the support of the American idea. For it is this idea that led to the principles and institutions that have set African-Americans - and all of us -- free
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


No.

There is something called tort law which allows people to sue for (basically) a breach of civil law. A "slip and fall" case is a common example of this.

The Trail Lawyers Association is among the largest contributors to the Democratic Party, in order to prevent any tort reform.

Tort law is important, but the dockets are a little clogged.

Tort law is perhaps the most effective deterrent to dangerous products, corporate negligence, and faulty design. The importance of tort law to our safety and our pocketbooks should not be understated. Without tort law, big corporations and big polluters would have unfettered control over much of our health and our safety. Quite simply, tort law deters wrongdoing.

Which leads to the ultimate problem with this particular claim set forth by a few African-Americans----tort law requires that an injured plaintiff be identifiable and also requires injury. Thus, the reason that this suit will go nowhere is because the injury is far too attenuated and measuring damages accurately would be next to impossible.

For example, buyer buys a boat with a poorly designed engine. Buyer is injured and subsequently becomes unemployed and accrues medical bills. In that case, the injured party can be identified----the buyer; and damages can be measured---the medical bills. Further, the goal of tort law is advanced---compensating an identifiable injured party while in the process deterring the boat manufacturer. Contrast that with this claim by African-Americans where slavery is already prohibited and no particular injury or party can be identified.

Perhaps a better solution would be for these companies to agree to set up college/scholarship fund for African-American students. Should a company like any other individual be held accountable for its wrongs? Absolutely? Fairness and consistency requires it. However, in this case, identifying the particular injury and assessing damages would be impossible. Therefore, this claim will only amount to a waste of time for our courts and money.

Ryan.
 
MP5 said:
Nice cut and paste Ryan.

MP5--just because you often have trouble articulating an argument clearly doesn't mean that others do as well. My words are mine and mine alone.

Ryan.
 
You are right Ryan-Homo, corporations should contribute to black scholarship funds. What a fucking tool you are. Dont speak anymore, because you have now angered me so much that i would put my fist through your chest.
 
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JohnyJuice said:
You are right Ryan-Homo, corporations should contribute to black scholarship funds. What a fucking tool you are. Dont speak anymore, because you have now angered me so much that i would put my fist through your chest.

I agree, blacks already have everything handed to them where the fuck is my "Mixed European" college fund? My ancestors came over on a boat and worked in the zinc and copper mills and coal mines. I want reparations for their black lung! Fucking blacks who do things like this are no better than the Ku Klux Klan.
 
RyanH said:


Tort law is perhaps the most effective deterrent to dangerous products, corporate negligence, and faulty design. The importance of tort law to our safety and our pocketbooks should not be understated. Without tort law, big corporations and big polluters would have unfettered control over much of our health and our safety. Quite simply, tort law deters wrongdoing.

Which leads to the ultimate problem with this particular claim set forth by a few African-Americans----tort law requires that an injured plaintiff be identifiable and also requires injury. Thus, the reason that this suit will go nowhere is because the injury is far too attenuated and measuring damages accurately would be next to impossible.

For example, buyer buys a boat with a poorly designed engine. Buyer is injured and subsequently becomes unemployed and accrues medical bills. In that case, the injured party can be identified----the buyer; and damages can be measured---the medical bills. Further, the goal of tort law is advanced---compensating an identifiable injured party while in the process deterring the boat manufacturer. Contrast that with this claim by African-Americans where slavery is already prohibited and no particular injury or party can be identified.

Perhaps a better solution would be for these companies to agree to set up college/scholarship fund for African-American students. Should a company like any other individual be held accountable for its wrongs? Absolutely? Fairness and consistency requires it. However, in this case, identifying the particular injury and assessing damages would be impossible. Therefore, this claim will only amount to a waste of time for our courts and money.

Ryan.

Hey, tortfeasor! (I love that word)

I like tort law. As silly as some cases are, we need it for all the reasons you asserted. I have about a dozen attorneys that work for me on nothing but torts. (Actually they do subrogation, but as you know it;s based on tort law).

I don't like clogged dockets and depositions and discovery that takes a year though. I guess I am just dreaming that they'll clear up.
 
JohnyJuice said:
You are right Ryan-Homo, corporations should contribute to black scholarship funds. What a fucking tool you are. Dont speak anymore, because you have now angered me so much that i would put my fist through your chest.

you've made worse threats than that, Johny. Surely, you can do better than that. Oh Shit....look out-----CYBERPUNCH. LOL.
 
there was a thread a few months back about this very topic. i argued blacks should sue slave owning corporations that benefitted from slavery.

cudos to them, and i hope the blacks win.
 
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