Big Boy Basics

[ExtraMile]

EM, I know you're not trying to come off as rude but when you ask someone why he trains because you feel he looks overweight, that's somewhat obnoxious, considering you're in that boat yourself a little bit.

I didnt say i wanted to know because I thought he was overweight. I asked what his template was and I asked why he wanted to loose bodyfat if aethetics werent his goal. Im not hating on him at all.

Clearly, his training has worked for him if he can deadlift 450+ pounds.

yes you could say his training has worked extremely well if deadlift and front squat strength were the goals

 

[Tblock1]

I didnt say i wanted to know because I thought he was overweight. I asked what his template was and I asked why he wanted to loose bodyfat if aethetics werent his goal. Im not hating on him at all.



yes you could say his training has worked extremely well if deadlift and front squat strength were the goals

And I think that is the point: His goals are to deadlift and front squat a lot....so his shit is together and working, because a 455 deadlift for reps is pretty good at his weight. I think he will have trouble getting stronger if he keeps cutting without gaining much muscle though. I think he's explained before that his template is his own thing, not like a pdf or something like that. Lol andalite it's true though it really doesn't matter what other people think about your training, as long as you are getting your goals it's all good. One question though: what would you suggest if a 17 year old came to you first time and said he needed a routine to follow, he was 5'10-5'11 150. Cause a couple of guys have asked me about a routine, one of them said he's was going to follow Rippetoe's starting strength, and I told him that was a great idea. What would you suggest?

 

[Andalite]

lolol whatever dude. Hes one of the top strength coaches in the nation, show you the light? I just posted an article where he grew up and met Bill Starr and Glen Pendlay. Theres even an exercise named after Glenn Pendlay, pendlay rows. You still havent posted a template and thats not something people should be learning. Especially youngsters like jdid.

LOL...who said he was the top strength coach in the nation? Only internet gymrats have heard of him. Nobody in the real world knows of him.

andalite what is your template?

Do you think your goal will ever be to add more muscle to your frame? cause the way I see it is cutting is for after you have gained the amount of muscle you want, otherwise cutting weight will just leave you with not much to show. Where as if you wait until you were big and muscular but also say 20% bf or whatever, and then you decided to cut bodyweight, the end result would be a shredded muscular physique, instead of spending all the effort cutting the having to bulk up again which will result in more bodyfat added...

and with all the differant aspects like density you take into account, how often do you set PR's normally?

I am not bulking or cutting. I am doing a slow recomposition. My goal is strength oriented therefore I will not compromise on that which is why aesthetics come in second. I am not - and I repeat this: I am NOT one of you bodybuilders riding the strength donkey.

Also EM, I know you're not trying to come off as rude but when you ask someone why he trains because you feel he looks overweight, that's somewhat obnoxious, considering you're in that boat yourself a little bit.

Josh: thanks for the kind words, I appreciate them but now that we're talking about EM: his form on Deadlifts is so fucking bad no wonder he got injured. Infact, I am pretty sure that if he is still using that form (which we all know SaiBoT as in EM's guru did NOT endorse and publicly told him it wasn't good) if he is still using that attrocious form, trust me, within the next 6 months there will be an injury. Just watch. His form is not sustainable for progression and therefore something has to give: either the aggressive loading or his body.

And I think that is the point: His goals are to deadlift and front squat a lot....so his shit is together and working, because a 455 deadlift for reps is pretty good at his weight. I think he will have trouble getting stronger if he keeps cutting without gaining much muscle though. I think he's explained before that his template is his own thing, not like a pdf or something like that. Lol andalite it's true though it really doesn't matter what other people think about your training, as long as you are getting your goals it's all good. One question though: what would you suggest if a 17 year old came to you first time and said he needed a routine to follow, he was 5'10-5'11 150. Cause a couple of guys have asked me about a routine, one of them said he's was going to follow Rippetoe's starting strength, and I told him that was a great idea. What would you suggest?

Trevor, thanks for the kind words. I agree with you: goals are goals. You can't shove someone else's goals down my throat lol...what is this, a religious conversion? Fuck that. That pathetic argument about running behind some strength coach and appealing to authority is useless because nobody here can explain why Rippetoe is god using proper evidence. In order to explain why Rippetoe is god they would have to prove that someone other an internet gym warriors know of him and that ANY of his students have achieved an elite level of a powerlifting total. Also, since you guys are all so hyped about looks and looks alone: a diet can get you anywhere. It's all about the diet. I make a CHOICE when I don't want to follow to a diet because of the lifestyle I lead. Yes, I can improve it and I will when I choose to. Right now I don't. It's not a priority. I am also not obese or even fat. My BF% last time I did a blood test (I think it's called lipid profiling or something) came to 18% and I just wear lose clothes to the gym for comfort. Fuck that...I have a 34 inch waist and a 47 inch chest with 26 inch thighs. For someone who doesn't ever do armwork I even have 15 inch arms. Sure I'm fat but I don't have a diet and I don't claim to. I am NOT a bodybuilder. I don't care about looks half as much as some of you do.

Regarding a beginner, read that article on GUStrength called "The Honeymoon Period" because it pretty much sums up how people should approach training when they don't know much about it.

 

[Tblock1]

LOL...who said he was the top strength coach in the nation? Only internet gymrats have heard of him. Nobody in the real world knows of him.



I am not bulking or cutting. I am doing a slow recomposition. My goal is strength oriented therefore I will not compromise on that which is why aesthetics come in second. I am not - and I repeat this: I am NOT one of you bodybuilders riding the strength donkey.



Josh: thanks for the kind words, I appreciate them but now that we're talking about EM: his form on Deadlifts is so fucking bad no wonder he got injured. Infact, I am pretty sure that if he is still using that form (which we all know SaiBoT as in EM's guru did NOT endorse and publicly told him it wasn't good) if he is still using that attrocious form, trust me, within the next 6 months there will be an injury. Just watch. His form is not sustainable for progression and therefore something has to give: either the aggressive loading or his body.



Trevor, thanks for the kind words. I agree with you: goals are goals. You can't shove someone else's goals down my throat lol...what is this, a religious conversion? Fuck that. That pathetic argument about running behind some strength coach and appealing to authority is useless because nobody here can explain why Rippetoe is god using proper evidence. In order to explain why Rippetoe is god they would have to prove that someone other an internet gym warriors know of him and that ANY of his students have achieved an elite level of a powerlifting total. Also, since you guys are all so hyped about looks and looks alone: a diet can get you anywhere. It's all about the diet. I make a CHOICE when I don't want to follow to a diet because of the lifestyle I lead. Yes, I can improve it and I will when I choose to. Right now I don't. It's not a priority. I am also not obese or even fat. My BF% last time I did a blood test (I think it's called lipid profiling or something) came to 18% and I just wear lose clothes to the gym for comfort. Fuck that...I have a 34 inch waist and a 47 inch chest with 26 inch thighs. For someone who doesn't ever do armwork I even have 15 inch arms. Sure I'm fat but I don't have a diet and I don't claim to. I am NOT a bodybuilder. I don't care about looks half as much as some of you do.

Regarding a beginner, read that article on GUStrength called "The Honeymoon Period" because it pretty much sums up how people should approach training when they don't know much about it.

Bwhahhahahahahahahahhha hhahahahahahhahahahahahhaha lollololollololololol Yeah I hope he fixes his form. I think he should try wearing a belt too, when I take off my belt after deadlifting it feels like the belt is still there, it really trained my back to stay in the right position.

 

[Andalite]

Bwhahhahahahahahahahhha hhahahahahahhahahahahahhaha lollololollololololol Yeah I hope he fixes his form. I think he should try wearing a belt too, when I take off my belt after deadlifting it feels like the belt is still there, it really trained my back to stay in the right position.

Yeah well wearing a belt is different from person to person. I don't feel comfortable in a belt but thats me. Plus, if his abs are strong as he claims they are he shouldn't need a belt. But then again: if his abs were strong his deadlift would be less likely to go to shit the way it does.

Everyone is different and body mechanics work differently. Thats fine. But, there are guidelines to the deadlift which are applicable to any 2 legged human capable of deadlifting.

1.) Ass above the level of your knees. The Deadlift is NOT a squat off the floor. It is a pull.
2.) Ass below the level of your head. You're not SLDL'ing it. You're pulling it at the best position.
3.) Shoulders ahead of the bar. All your weight is on the heels of your feet.

These are guidelines. As you can tell, there is no exact "point" where your ass is above your knees (for example) but it is a range of motion. That is where individuality comes in. Different people are different and therefore you will find 2 great deadlifters having their asses above their knees but ones will be higher and thats fine: as long as the basic principles are adhered to.

No matter how you twist this around, big strong deadlifters DONT lockout their legs before they lockout their back. EVERYTHING comes together at the same time. It's all synchronized. This is all about the big guys like KK, Benni, etc and strongmen. Even the young guys who Deadlift more stiff-legged than the older guys, they still adhere to the basic guidelines just at the end of that allowed spectrum of range of movement.

 

[Tblock1]

Yeah well wearing a belt is different from person to person. I don't feel comfortable in a belt but thats me. Plus, if his abs are strong as he claims they are he shouldn't need a belt. But then again: if his abs were strong his deadlift would be less likely to go to shit the way it does.

Everyone is different and body mechanics work differently. Thats fine. But, there are guidelines to the deadlift which are applicable to any 2 legged human capable of deadlifting.

1.) Ass above the level of your knees. The Deadlift is NOT a squat off the floor. It is a pull.
2.) Ass below the level of your head. You're not SLDL'ing it. You're pulling it at the best position.
3.) Shoulders ahead of the bar. All your weight is on the heels of your feet.

These are guidelines. As you can tell, there is no exact "point" where your ass is above your knees (for example) but it is a range of motion. That is where individuality comes in. Different people are different and therefore you will find 2 great deadlifters having their asses above their knees but ones will be higher and thats fine: as long as the basic principles are adhered to.

No matter how you twist this around, big strong deadlifters DONT lockout their legs before they lockout their back. EVERYTHING comes together at the same time. It's all synchronized. This is all about the big guys like KK, Benni, etc and strongmen. Even the young guys who Deadlift more stiff-legged than the older guys, they still adhere to the basic guidelines just at the end of that allowed spectrum of range of movement.

For me the belt is more of a safety thing, I'm a little worried about hurting my back because my mom had a burst disk. Also like I said when the belt is off it feels weird to not have anything but perfect back position. And for the abs thing, I still say my abs have never been as sore as when I wore a belt doing 365x4.

 

[Andalite]

For me the belt is more of a safety thing, I'm a little worried about hurting my back because my mom had a burst disk. Also like I said when the belt is off it feels weird to not have anything but perfect back position. And for the abs thing, I still say my abs have never been as sore as when I wore a belt doing 365x4.

I love sore abs.

I hear you on the belt. Give the medical background (see, this is why blanket statements like "no wearing a belt" are gay) I can see why wearing one would help you.

 

[ExtraMile]

I am not bulking or cutting. I am doing a slow recomposition. My goal is strength oriented therefore I will not compromise on that which is why aesthetics come in second. I am not - and I repeat this: I am NOT one of you bodybuilders riding the strength donkey.

dont address me as a bodybuilder as I have never called myself that and I dont workout like a bodybuilder either.

oh right so what is your ideal body? Like when you have finished the recomposition what do you aim to look like?

EM: his form on Deadlifts is so fucking bad no wonder he got injured. it.

why is it? I can think of 3 things I was doing wrong in the clips you posted up:
-My hips were a bit high
-I didnt scrape the bar up my shins the whole way
-I hitched a little at the top

but as I have said before, I was using that form because I was MAXING meaning I was setting a new 1RM each week for several weeks in a row, so I was just thinking about getting the weight up. People didnt get strong as hell doing everything completely perfect and doing everything by complete textbook form. Have you ever noticed when strongmen pick up the atlas stones their backs are quite often a little rounded and quite often their hips shoot up first?

Yes ok SaiBoT said the form wasnt good but he wasnt around at the time. And I was infact having personal advice from one of the top rated strongmen competitors in your country. He didnt moan at me to stop making the progress and go back to perfect form light weight work and I was showing him the videos. He also said and Ill quote "whoever said you were hitching too bad can shut the fuck up" but he did say they wouldnt pass in PLing

That same guy deadlifted 555 at age 20 (some people on here will know who Im talking about already) Ill have to check but I think he came 3rd (or it may have been 2nd) in the USA Strongman Nationals in the junior devision.

yes I did get injured but that was when I made a bad decision myself, I went to deadlift a weight and couldnt get it higher than about 3 inches. I recomposed myself and tryed again and basically used form like derek poundstone on his last deadlift reps if you have every seen that. Basically hitching as much as you can sitting back with the bar on your knees and shit. Yes it was ugly and no I didnt lock it out. Then I just made the injury worse by not taking time off. So it was pretty much all my fault.

Just a question, your all about progression in the long run, but why are pretty much all of your deadlift sessons max effort? I would have thought if your concentrating on long term progression you would have some planned deloads or sub max effort days, maybe you do and Iv missed them but I just dont remember seeing any in your log...

 

[JDid23]

no need to keep the hate going guys. I don't think EM was trying to make degrading comments towards you Andalite, although it may have originally seemed that way.

Sore abs feel great btw!

 

[Tblock1]

no need to keep the hate going guys. I don't think EM was trying to make degrading comments towards you Andalite, although it may have originally seemed that way.

Sore abs feel great btw!

Yeah bro bro I was just going to say the same thing, hating people online is lame.

Remember:
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Not that I have any problem with the special olympics btw, I have worked local ones myself.

Sore abs feel awesome!!!!