Best Drink To Pack On Solid Mass

[Nelson Montana]

I just spent the last 45 minutes reading through this post. Aside from all the flaming there is alot of great information. I have read alot of Nelson's posts and find some of his theories very interesting. However, I really have to agree with Silent Method on this one. By no means am I flaming or attacking Nelson's credibility, but the following seems true:

Silent Method's statement was a post-workout drink high in carbs would increase the muscle growth.

Nelson's statement was it will not increase muscle growth any more than a regular meal anytime of the day.

In laymans (sp.) terms, according to Silent Method, high carbs increase insulin which, in turn, increases protien uptake in the muscles. At the same time catabolic effects are reduced. It would seem that post work-out reduction of catabolic effects alone would contribute to increased muscle growth, but the addition of protien uptake creates an environement in which inceased muscle growth is almost assured.

As to the time frame. Does it not make sense that your body is depleated of energy (calories) upon completion of a workout. And the sooner you provide rapid energy (calories) the better, so the body will consume the calories you provide and not your reserves, primarily muscle tissue. Thus the anti-catabolic state. And aren't the best calories for immediate use after exercise are simple carbs.

It is a very sound theory and makes alot of sense. Silent Method provided definitive information and concise thoughts as to his position. It would be very interesting to hear Nelson's argument in terms of the question posed. Why do you feel muscle growth will not be increased with a post-workout drink as opposed to a regular meal?

This is no flame. It is a very interesting subject which, with civil debate would no doubt be invaluable to all of us. I mean a post-workout drink that actually contributes to muscle growth. Nelson, if you have an argument or a position that contradicts this, by all means present your case and lets debate.

So we're back to discussing the topic?! Oh no! : )

No flame taken bro. I think the misunderstanding here isn't that I DON'T think the high carb thing has merit. My point is that a high carb as oppossed to a low carb, 15 minutes or 25 mnutes...wait a minute... I've been through all this already. The bottom line is this; Sugar isn't a horrible as people make it out to be and it isn't as magical as people make it out to be. In the long run I doubt if the amount of muscle gained over the course of year but attmepting to time the exact perfect time to drink a "dextrose only" protein shake after a workout is inconsequential. Will you have another 2 ounzes of muscle at the end of the year if you use dextrose instead of sucrose? It's doubtful, but I'll concede. MAYBE you will. Maybe not. So the question is, "Is it worth it obsessing over this? I say no. Others disagree. And that's all this is. Nothing more, nothing less -- except for all the hatred toward me because of my beliefs.

Pretty amazing, isn't it?

 

[jubei]

LMFAO @ NM thinking he knows me.

 

[R77M]

I can see where your coming from. I mean all this hoopla over an ounce or 2 right. Hell Ya!!! I mean aren't we all obsessive? Isn't that why we kill ourselves in the gym religiously? If I can have any edge even the smallest, I want it! Think about it you use a high carb drink post work-out and increase your growth by say 2 ounces a year. If you can add eight other items to your regime which provide the same amount of growth that is an extra pound of growth a year, in addition to the growth you experience from training and nutrition. I know it seems far fetched, but theoretically it is possible.

Now add these same principles to a cycle. Would it not be possible to increase your muscle growth from 2 ounces to 8 ounces with a high carb post work-out drink? I don't know, but it is food for thought. And why not make the most of it. You spend countless hours preparing your calorie intake, followed but brutal workouts. Then you spend enormous amounts of time researching your next cycle. Putting together the best gear for your goals. Why not take advantage of 2 ounces? It's worth to me!

 

[Fonz]

So we're back to discussing the topic?! Oh no! : )

No flame taken bro. I think the misunderstanding here isn't that I DON'T think the high carb thing has merit. My point is that a high carb as oppossed to a low carb, 15 minutes or 25 mnutes...wait a minute... I've been through all this already. The bottom line is this; Sugar isn't a horrible as people make it out to be and it isn't as magical as people make it out to be. In the long run I doubt if the amount of muscle gained over the course of year but attmepting to time the exact perfect time to drink a "dextrose only" protein shake after a workout is inconsequential. Will you have another 2 ounzes of muscle at the end of the year if you use dextrose instead of sucrose? It's doubtful, but I'll concede. MAYBE you will. Maybe not. So the question is, "Is it worth it obsessing over this? I say no. Others disagree. And that's all this is. Nothing more, nothing less -- except for all the hatred toward me because of my beliefs.

Pretty amazing, isn't it?

You are officially an idiot.

Just had to say that.

Arrogance w/o knowledge = stupidity

If you were arrogant but had SOME knowledge I could care less. But fact is, you don't. Which just makes this all that much more laughable.

And I WANT TO SEE REFERENCES TO ALL THESE PUBLICATIONS(200?) YOU SAID YOU WROTE.

Let me guess.....T-mag right?

LMFAO

And just for a reality check: How many 50+ year olds on the boards do you see acting like you do?

Hopefully, you'll catch the drift..............

Fonz

 

[Citruscide]

Really? With this thread?

*shaking head* -- Fonz, just let it go man... you are driving an Escalade in a huge puddle of mud... spinning your wheels to no avail.

C-ditty

 

[Citruscide]

But the funny thing is, I see that hundreds of people click on this thread each day, so as far as I'm concerned, we're putting on a show. Give the people what they want! Plus, now it's a statement of sorts. It's made me realize that this is a colossal waste of time and my help, although appreciated by some, will just be resented by all the nobodies with big mouths.

Yes, you have outed our game plan Nelson. We have orchestrated this thread to keep you from polluting others. LOL

C-ditty

 

[Spidey]

You are officially an idiot.

Just had to say that.

Arrogance w/o knowledge = stupidity

If you were arrogant but had SOME knowledge I could care less. But fact is, you don't. Which just makes this all that much more laughable.

And I WANT TO SEE REFERENCES TO ALL THESE PUBLICATIONS(200?) YOU SAID YOU WROTE.

Let me guess.....T-mag right?

LMFAO

And just for a reality check: How many 50+ year olds on the boards do you see acting like you do?

Hopefully, you'll catch the drift..............

Fonz

Damn, just when things were starting to calm down.....

You know....if I didn't know better, I'd say you really don't like Nelson, LOL.

WHERE'S THE LOVE MAN?????

Seriously, you are wasting your time. Disagreeing with Nelson is just like ramming your head into granite wall. You can't change his mind. You can't use logic or science to prove your point; his opinion is like a force of nature to him. It overwhelms any and all dissenting opinions no matter how logical, scientific or true they may be. I think he really believes the crap he espouses. I also think he is simply incapable of admitting he is wrong. Can you find a single post in which he acknowledges he is mistaken about ANYTHING? I can't. Either he is truly god-like and doesn't make mistakes or he is incapable of admitting them.

 

[Fonz]

Damn, just when things were starting to calm down.....

You know....if I didn't know better, I'd say you really don't like Nelson, LOL.

WHERE'S THE LOVE MAN?????

Seriously, you are wasting your time. Disagreeing with Nelson is just like ramming your head into granite wall. You can't change his mind. You can't use logic or science to prove your point; his opinion is like a force of nature to him. It overwhelms any and all dissenting opinions no matter how logical, scientific or true they may be. I think he really believes the crap he espouses. I also think he is simply incapable of admitting he is wrong. Can you find a single post in which he acknowledges he is mistaken about ANYTHING? I can't. Either he is truly god-like and doesn't make mistakes or he is incapable of admitting them.

Just one.

When he got busted for using multiple aliases on the same thread
att bb.com. He was basically agreeing with himself, in order to make PF and himself look good.

That thread makes this thread look like an ant in comparison. He got steamrolled so badly it wasn't even funny.

NM has MPS(Multiple personality disorder)

And I still want to see those 200 publications.

Fonz

 

[Spidey]

Just one.

When he got busted for using multiple aliases on the same thread
att bb.com. He was basically agreeing with himself, in order to make PF and himself look good.

That thread makes this thread look like an ant in comparison. He got steamrolled so badly it wasn't even funny.

NM has MPS(Multiple personality disorder)

And I still want to see those 200 publications.

Fonz

Does that thread still exist?

 

[Fonz]

Does that thread still exist?

Yep.

Here, have a good laugh:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162534&highlight=Protein+Factory