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[MrTrap]

You can conclude I didn't know what I was doing, but in truth I knew quite a bit. I believe what my "before" pics show is just how much of a hardgainer I was. So , you're wrong.

No, at the time of your before pics you didn't know diddly. And by your own words:

"The start of a new approach. (Please forgive the underwear.) At this point, many of the "experts" with whom I'd been in contact (trainers, doctors, coaches, authors, athletes, etc.) informed me that at the age of 38, muscle growth of any consequence is damn near impossible, even for someone with better than average genetics, no less someone who could never put on muscle. Testosterone levels drop, Growth Hormone levels are lower. The metabolism gets sluggish and fat is more readily stored. Bones, tendons and ligaments are more brittle which result in a far greater chance for injury. The recuperation process is slower and longer. It all sucks. Still, I concluded that the experts had it wrong. I innately came to conclusions which were in direct opposition to what we've all been told, starting with diet. I had a few crazy theories about training rummaging through my head as well so I decided to ignore the advice of the experts and follow what my instincts were telling me. What did I have to lose?"

In your own words, you didn't know what worked up until age 38. Then you decided to TRY something else. Good for you, but until you proved it worked for you, you didn't know even that.

So, you're wrong.

 

[jubei]

Mr. Trap of course he didn't know anything, I don't know who he thinks he's fooling with those 20 years of "experience". If He claimed to be an expert on mullets, well thats one thing.

Nobody who thinks of themself as a BB guru would choose to have less muscle than leonardo dicaprio going through withdrawl in basketball diaries, especially after 20 years of serious training. Give it up, you can' t win with Nelson.

 

[Nelson Montana]

No, at the time of your before pics you didn't know diddly. And by your own words:

"The start of a new approach. (Please forgive the underwear.) At this point, many of the "experts" with whom I'd been in contact (trainers, doctors, coaches, authors, athletes, etc.) informed me that at the age of 38, muscle growth of any consequence is damn near impossible, even for someone with better than average genetics, no less someone who could never put on muscle. Testosterone levels drop, Growth Hormone levels are lower. The metabolism gets sluggish and fat is more readily stored. Bones, tendons and ligaments are more brittle which result in a far greater chance for injury. The recuperation process is slower and longer. It all sucks. Still, I concluded that the experts had it wrong. I innately came to conclusions which were in direct opposition to what we've all been told, starting with diet. I had a few crazy theories about training rummaging through my head as well so I decided to ignore the advice of the experts and follow what my instincts were telling me. What did I have to lose?"

In your own words, you didn't know what worked up until age 38. Then you decided to TRY something else. Good for you, but until you proved it worked for you, you didn't know even that.

So, you're wrong.

What?

No, what I'm saying there is that the standard information, such as that found in magazines, journals, personal training mauals et al, are not entirely accurate. And for the hard gainer, much of the informaton isn't pretty bad. i discovered alternate routes, MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN PRAISED ON THIS VERY BOARD such as the ab exercise, and the calve routine and many other concepts.
Do you understand now or are you just not willing to let this go?

This pathetic attempt to disparage me is an embarassment to this board. I don't think sugar is all that important after a work out and I'm a horible person. I had a mullet hair cut in 1988 (along with fifty billion other guys), so I don't know anything about exercise. I don't believe in high dosages so I don't have the right to talk about cycles. It's so unbelievably lame. I mean, I expect it from some, like jubel, he's just an idiot. But when is enough, enough?

 

[jubei]

Learn to spell you goofy looking bastard. J-U-B-E-I.

 

[Silent Method]

i discovered alternate routes, MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN PRAISED ON THIS VERY BOARD such as the ab exercise, and the calve routine and many other concepts.

I'm curious, what concepts related to your ab and calf routines are new discoveries?

 

[THEEGAME2544]

One last thing. Not every observation is documented on the net. I'll bet you can't find an single references on the net that an apple is red. But it is.

Ah, but some would argue that an apple is not red......that infact it had no color at all

 

[MrTrap]

No, what I'm saying there is that the standard information, such as that found in magazines, journals, personal training mauals et al, are not entirely accurate. And for the hard gainer, much of the informaton isn't pretty bad.

I believe you knew some stuff that didn't work. But it is obvious from your pics at 38 you didn't (then) know what DID work - including for calves and abs. Your pics don't say "hardgainer" they say "here's a guy who still hasn't figured out the mags are bullshit."

That doesn't say anything about how much you know now, but don't expect us to believe that you were, at 145 and not knowing what to do, training other people and getting results, or playing any important role. You were just another gym rat who hadn't figured out how to train and eat.

 

[jubei]

I can't think of a more perfect ending to this thread -- it really sums up the intelligence of the people who have been my detractors. This guy makes a pathetic attempt at putting me down by attacking the fact that I spelled his stupid name wrong.

AND THEN HE SPELLS HIS OWN NAME WRONG!


BTW: I spelled it right.


I think that says it all.

This is a perfect example of idiot nelson thinking he's right. Look at my name and then my post. My handle is not jubel, its jubei.

BTW: You really are a dumb shit.

I think that says it all.

 

[jubei]

No wonder everyone hates your guts...you are a complete moron. You always think you're right even to the point that you don't bother to check your information. Damn you don't know how to train, or how to write...what can you do?

 

[Nelson Montana]

HA! This is what jubby is so upset over -- the fact that I spelled his stupid name wrong. It looks like an "L" on my screen. Big fucking deal. You're still an idiot.

I especially like the fact that you call me "goofy looking" I'M SO HURT! I guess you should call the modeling agencies I've worked for and soap operas that hire me and tell them that. I'm sure they're anxious to hear your opinion.

I don't know how to train, yet, even though I have terrible genetics, I placed in the NPC championships. I can't write yet I've had hundreds of articles published. Man, it's a good thing you're around to let all the people who have succeeded know that they're wrong. Let it go loser.



Silent; Suddenly you're curious to hear my methods? Let's just say that it's doubtful you'll find tha ab exercise anywhere else. Considereing the fact that there are hundreds of ab articles every year, that's saying something. Do a search . Dozens of people on this board have gotten great results from the calve routine, but what does it matter? You already know everything and I know nothing. Remember?

It's obvious that this thread is about as meaningless as anything I can imagine. Some of you may have noticed I haven't posted anywhere else. This has given me a perspective of how pointless it all is. Now, I'm just looking for some closure. But as long as people want to take swipes at me, I'm going to keep coming back and showing them what morons they are. It's a game. Now that it's started I'll keep going until it ends. Maybe we'll break some sort of a record. "The longest flame war ever!" When it dies, I'll be done. So it's up to you-- the jerk-offs who insist on keeping this going. Let it go, and so will I. Keep it going, and I'll keep it going right back.